Just to keep the facts we have straight , Honey was flying to Florida today, Barry wasn't going until Dec. 25. I thought it a bit odd.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...om-news-of-the-couples-death/article37362416/
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Just to keep the facts we have straight , Honey was flying to Florida today, Barry wasn't going until Dec. 25. I thought it a bit odd.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...om-news-of-the-couples-death/article37362416/
Well, to be unpleasantly graphic: wear the jacket while tying the belt, push jacket back to entangle arms, lunge.
However which way this couple passed, my only thoughts are that I hope it was swift. I hope they didn't experience terror in their final moments. If Honey was found in another part of the house and then moved then perhaps each one was immobilized separately (at a different time) by one person then brought together side by side. Cleverly planned by whoever. Not a trace.
Yes, I know. Was speaking about the Florida trip in general terms. Remember he was a workaholic. Not surprising to me anyway that he'd stay behind - perhaps to deal with work, the house being viewed (potential buyer in mind), etc etc.
I wonder if it is at all possible this could be an accidental death/suicide.
Perhaps HS had a fatal accident and BS finds her, and decides he doesn't want to live without her, takes her to her favorite spot (by the water), and then hangs himself?
The only thing he adored as much as work seems to be his wife. He retired from a very successful job he loved, probably in part to spend it with the woman he loved, if he found himself without both suddenly could he/would he have staged the last scene?
Probably not, but I'm a hopeless hopeful.
Perhaps HS had a fatal accident and BS finds her, and decides he doesn't want to live without her, takes her to her favorite spot (by the water), and then hangs himself?
The only thing he adored as much as work seems to be his wife. He retired from a very successful job he loved, probably in part to spend it with the woman he loved, if he found himself without both suddenly could he/would he have staged the last scene?
Probably not, but I'm a hopeless hopeful.
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If Honey had a fatal accident and Barry found her the media wouldn't have reported that both died from ligature neck compression.
Also, Barry wasn't retired.
Barry didn't stage anything. These two people were murdered IMO.
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IMO, Barry murdered her and then killed himself. Needed to control everything in his life.
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Youre exactly right. And thats why Im sitting firmly on the fence for now. Anything is possible with the info we have so far.
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Thinking back to the Alvin Liknes murder in Calgary a couple of years ago. That happened because a low life loser was angry about money and believe that Alvin Liknes owed him money. Alvin and wife were about to leave town when they were murdered.
In this case, we have Barry's cousins who are by all accounts low lifes who recently lost a lawsuit for yet more handouts from Barry. I sure hope that isn't what happened to them. The cousins perhaps should have been cut into the original deal, but even if they were they lived as though handouts from Barry were a given. That is, it doesn't sound like any of them had the ambition or ability to do anything with opportunity or money even when they had it. They blew it and wanted more.
What a shame if this is nothing more than a greedy cousin who knew the couple was leaving town and who knew that they were moving, and who thought this was his last chance to "get even".
In this case, we have Barry's cousins who are by all accounts low lifes who recently lost a lawsuit for yet more handouts from Barry. I sure hope that isn't what happened to them. The cousins perhaps should have been cut into the original deal, but even if they were they lived as though handouts from Barry were a given. That is, it doesn't sound like any of them had the ambition or ability to do anything with opportunity or money even when they had it. They blew it and wanted more.
What a shame if this is nothing more than a greedy cousin who knew the couple was leaving town and who knew that they were moving, and who thought this was his last chance to "get even".
Jacket sleeves rolled down their arms and strung up by belts - definitely murder.
"Sources say investigators found the Shermans, side by side, in their windowless pool room, each with a men’s leather belt wrapped around their necks and tied to the pool railing. Both had on jackets that were pulled “behind their backs” and rolled down over their arms.
It is believed the camera in the pool area had been disconnected."
http://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-mystery-shrouds-deaths-of-billionaire-couple
The jackets rolled down over their arms is as good as tying their hands behind their backs.
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Barry stepped down as CEO in 2014, almost 4 years ago.
He was Chairman now which could mean a lot of things...pushed out...voluntary retirement...illness...etc.
We don't know how much control he had over the board...given the industrial espionage stuff with Teva.
Most boards would have turfed a CEO who used his GF to steal a competitor's secrets.
He also seems to have had a lot of business on the side...he was the main debt-holder for Steelback Brewery which he gave to his son.
Intesting that they say he didn't show up for work Thursday, but nobody found them til Friday.
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But wouldn't people have their sleeves rolled down in Canada in winter?
Having your arms held back by a jacket is only a temporary restraint, it can easily be shrugged out of, it's not a method to subdue someone else while you tie a belt around their neck, that would require rope or duct tape or something..
Also, the scene at the Liknes home left no doubt it was homicide, blood everywhere. If this was a double murder, it was done by someone with exceptional powers for controlling people so that they die in an tidy, orderly way.
I disagree: try it. Pull the jacket off your shoulders and roll down it down at the back and upper arms, until about the elbows. You can't lift your arms to your neck. However you can just reach behind and pull off the other sleeve and you're free.
If the jacket was used to tie the hands, that'd be different.
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