Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #10

[MistyWaters]

That's why I focus on colleagues; maybe Joe is throwin' some shade around, some misdirection.

Joe W. aside, how could Barry's going dark all of Thursday happen without a flag being triggered?

Maybe he went off radar like this occasionally, but it's not a fit for the impression I have of him, and a planned vacation/office absence was just days away...

The impression I have of a 75 year old wealthy philanthropist was his business and investment interests were varied, so unless he was supposed to be at a specific place at a certain time, he managed his time accordingly. As Chairman of the Board he wasn’t involved in day to day operations at Apotex and it’s not as if he was required to punch a time clock.

If the fact that nobody atApotex raised alarm bells is considered suspicious, I think the opposite reaction applies also - if someone there was involved in the murders and if acting normally involved pretending to be alarmed by his one day absence, would that exempt that person from suspicion? Probably not.

 

[JDG]

I don't get the impression that the Sherman kids were living in their parents pockets. The parents were independent and relatively healthy with 'staff' coming and going from the house. I presume there was no need/desire to be checked up on on a daily ongoing basis.

As for Apotex calling, Barry had taken a step back from day-to-day work and as the owner/boss, why would anyone call to ask him what he's doing??

Jonathan stated at the funeral, that he and his sisters would be in touch a lot more and keeping tabs on one another now.

 

[ldlager]

A brief quote - Warmington. ETA adding
“I’ll break a little news for you, they’re working on some things. I think you’re going to see an arrest, I’m not afraid to tell you that. Most people think you’re never going to solve this, I don’t agree......Four or five suspects, some of whom you may know, some of whom you may not know, I’m not going to say who they are because I’m not involved in the investigation...”

He also thinks “it was very personal though, the way the murders happened. They were strangled and staged, or meant to be found that way.....<>.....it seemed very personal to me, I think it was someone who had great animus towards the family.”

To be precise, Warmington says quite clearly at 8:09 that he doesn't know who the suspects are.

 

[ldlager]

Like the train of thought, but that would blow up my vision of Honey being confronted as she came in the front door...which might be okay, because...we don't know if she did enter from the front door, do we?

We don't know, but given that her car was parked outside the front of the house, and not in the underground garage, we probably can reasonably assume she entered the house on the main floor.

 

[ldlager]

Agreed. I could see if the adult kids were still living under the same roof (which who knows, may be the case with Warmington??)... an I could see if it was only ONE parent that was not heard from/unreachable.. but when it is a long married couple who together aren't heard from - so what? I think it's one of those things where, when you look back, after the fact, you think to yourself, jeez, I should have known something was wrong, or I should have checked into it more, or something... but at the time, in reality.. it was only Wed evening... Thursday.. and earlier on Fri morning.. so basically only one day (Thursday) that it may have been out of the ordinary not to have heard anything... but then with so many groups.. like the kids, the work, the volunteer/charity stuff, the friends.... each one of those groups wouldn't have necessarily known that another one of those groups was perhaps wondering same thing, and each could have thought the couple were busy with one of the other sets of people.

Or maybe the lack of checking in by the kids is a reflection of the state of the relationship between them and their parents. I know lots of people who check in with or speak daily with their parents, especially a number of women who speak to their mothers at least daily (not being sexist here- it just seems to me that many women have a close relationship with their mothers).

 

[ldlager]

Well he also thinks -
“it was very personal though, the way the murders happened. They were strangled and staged, or meant to be found that way.....<>.....it seemed very personal to me, I think it was someone who had great animus towards the family.”

Yes, but of course a family member could have "great animus" towards other family members. Just saying.

 

[MistyWaters]

Yes, but of course a family member could have "great animus" towards other family members. Just saying.

I didn’t get the impression Warmington’s remarks were intended to direct blame towards any particular person or persons whatsoever, other than his belief the motive was personal as opposed to a professional hit, nor did he say why he thinks the TPS investigation was still focused on four or five suspects.

If we want to read between the lines, our VI Kerry Winter, an estranged family member, has publicly directed a great deal of personal animus towards the couple as well. In the past, he also indicated he’d heard he was a prime suspect. Is he still, we don’t know.

 

[ldlager]

I didn’t get the impression Warmington’s remarks were intended to direct blame towards any particular person or persons whatsoever, other than his belief the motive was personal as opposed to a professional hit, nor did he say why he thinks the TPS investigation was still focused on four or five suspects.

If we want to read between the lines, our VI Kerry Winter, an estranged family member, has publicly directed a great deal of personal animus towards the couple as well. In the past, he also indicated he’d heard he was a prime suspect. Is he still, we don’t know.

He spoke very favorably about the Shermans and their family. IMO he is on the make up trail, given the anger that the family evidently felt after seeing his original column, which he referred to in the audio. I believe he is trying to mend fences, possibly with a view towards future interviews. JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

He spoke very favorably about the Shermans and their family. IMO he is on the make up trail, given the anger that the family evidently felt after seeing his original column, which he referred to in the audio. I believe he is trying to mend fences, possibly with a view towards future interviews. JMO

I’m not sure about requiring the mending of fences because the TPS press conference was held almost a year ago and since that date, all MSM have refocused their reportings onto the double homicide of the Sherman couple.

But as Warmington continues to emphasize the mystery of why his original news story was thwarted by TPS on the theme of “they were executed” from a different inside source, his allegations against TPS for fuelling the early m/s theory certainly add another element of intrigue. I think even the family would look forward to having it answered.

 

[ldlager]

I’m not sure about requiring the mending of fences because the TPS press conference was held almost a year ago and since that date, all MSM have refocused their reportings onto the double homicide of the Sherman couple.

But as Warmington continues to emphasize the mystery of why his original news story was thwarted by TPS on the theme of “they were executed” from a different inside source, his allegations against TPS for fuelling the early m/s theory certainly add another element of intrigue. I think even the family would look forward to having it answered.

As I have said before, I believe that the family was advised early on by the police that the M/S story was not accurate, and not to believe everything they read in the press. I believe the police deceived Warmington, and other MSM to position this story as a M/S in this way to buy time and to make the killers think that the police were focused in another direction. However, the family didn't cooperate, couldn't stand the M/S story being out there, and hired Greenspan and the PI team. JMO

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Question for @Kerry Winter : Did Barry Sherman or Honey Sherman make any claims or promises to you prior to their deaths? If so, did you make that known to the courts or your lawyer?

 

[MistyWaters]

As I have said before, I believe that the family was advised early on by the police that the M/S story was not accurate, and not to believe everything they read in the press. I believe the police deceived Warmington, and other MSM to position this story as a M/S in this way to buy time and to make the killers think that the police were focused in another direction. However, the family didn't cooperate, couldn't stand the M/S story being out there, and hired Greenspan and the PI team. JMO

I think that’s entirely possible as well. If the deaths were staged, it could’ve been helpful to the investigation in the early days for LE to appear oblivious to the deception.

But as Warmington keeps bringing it up, it seems a real thorn in his side as Police Chief Saunders has publicly denied TPS ever reached a premature conclusion of murder/suicide. So for Warmington, it’s maybe just be a matter of his own credibility versus TPS, but I don’t get the impression he’s willing to let it go.

 

[ldlager]

I think that’s entirely possible as well. If the deaths were staged, it could’ve been helpful to the investigation in the early days for LE to appear oblivious to the deception.

But as Warmington keeps bringing it up, it seems a real thorn in his side as Police Chief Saunders has publicly denied TPS ever reached a premature conclusion of murder/suicide. So for Warmington, it’s maybe just be a matter of his own credibility versus TPS, but I don’t get the impression he’s willing to let it go.

IMO Warmington won't let it go in order to preserve his reputation. He doesn't want anyone to think that he could have been duped or mislead by his "source" so readily. So he defends his story line and keeps reminding us that the source of his info was a "senior" police source.
Warmington probably privately understands that LE never did reach a conclusion of M/S, that it was just their public story at the outset as I said above in order to throw off the killers. But he doesn't want to admit he was manipulated. JMO

 

[WINDSOR]

Joe W., I believe has a fair amount of credibility as a crime reporter. He is cautious in the interview to always leave some 'fudge' room in his statements, probably not to antagonise his sources in the TPS, by revealing too much. The Police and reporters sometimes have a useful relationship in providing disinformation and/or leaks to serve their own purposes. In this case, I believe the TPS did everything possible to let the perpetrators believe the TPS was looking at a murder/suicide as that served the TPS's objectives at the time. No doubt Joe W. would be upset that his sources in the TPS gave him this misinformation. To make it up to him, the TPS probably has given him some real solid info.

I had previously stated I expected arrests in 2019 as well.

With Barry's death it appears that Jonathan Sherman has become defacto head of Apotex. What has been Jonathon's work experience. Had he been involved much with Apotex? What was his relationship with his father? Had they worked together much? Just curious.

 

[dotr]

Joe W., I believe has a fair amount of credibility as a crime reporter. He is cautious in the interview to always leave some 'fudge' room in his statements, probably not to antagonise his sources in the TPS, by revealing too much. The Police and reporters sometimes have a useful relationship in providing disinformation and/or leaks to serve their own purposes. In this case, I believe the TPS did everything possible to let the perpetrators believe the TPS was looking at a murder/suicide as that served the TPS's objectives at the time. No doubt Joe W. would be upset that his sources in the TPS gave him this misinformation. To make it up to him, the TPS probably has given him some real solid info.

I had previously stated I expected arrests in 2019 as well.

With Barry's death it appears that Jonathan Sherman has become defacto head of Apotex. What has been Jonathon's work experience. Had he been involved much with Apotex? What was his relationship with his father? Had they worked together much? Just curious.

rbbm
Succession doubts cloud Apotex's future after deaths of Barry and Honey
Sherman - BNN Bloomberg
Despite stepping down as chief executive in 2012, the self-confessed workaholic continued to work seven-day weeks and 12-hour days. None of Sherman's four children were interested in running the business and only one had worked at the company, the associates said.

Sherman's son Jonathan, who has a degree in industrial engineering from Columbia University, took at job at the firm after graduating but quit after less than a year.
Frank D'Angelo moves upstairs at brewery | The Star

I don't believe that Frank D'Angelo is really "pleased to announce" that he has sold his majority stake in his Steelback Brewery as well as D'Angelo Brands, the juice-*advertiser censored*-power drink company that brought us DUH! (the can on my desk says it's 710 ml of highly sugared pomegranate cream soda) and Cheetah (a "power surge" energy drink promoted by the sprinting cheetah himself, Ben Johnson).

Yet D'Angelo insists he has never been happier in his life. "I'm moving up to chairman," he says. "I've decided to slow down."

This line is made problematic by the fact that D'Angelo is "excited to announce" that Jonathon Sherman, the 24-year-old son of Apotex Inc.'s Barry Sherman, is moving into the CEO's office. Given what would appear to be an absence of deep knowledge in either beer or apple juice, it's fair to wonder what it is that young Mr. Sherman, a graduate of Columbia University (it says so in the press release), can bring to the job.

"He's been working on and off with the company for the past year and a half," says D'Angelo, who adds that Jonathon "worked a bit at Apotex," the generic drug manufacturer that Barry Sherman built into a colossus.

Birth of a beer baron
Observe the CEO with the cultivated stubble, the slightly gelled hair and the pierced ear. He extends a hand, says hello, orders a beer.

He is 25.

This is Jon Sherman's coming out, his corporate unveiling as the spanking new owner of Steelback Brewery Inc. He has just come from his lawyers' offices and is shaking his wrist in that tired-from-signing-all-those-papers kind of way. "As of this week," he says, "I am the sole owner of Steelback, and Mr. D'Angelo has no involvement at all."

 

[MistyWaters]

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With Barry's death it appears that Jonathan Sherman has become defacto head of Apotex. What has been Jonathon's work experience. Had he been involved much with Apotex? What was his relationship with his father? Had they worked together much? Just curious.

If I recall correctly, Joe W briefly mentioned the departure of J Kay as a possible indication that Apotex is about to be placed on the selling block.

I agree, I think JS’s present involvement is winding down the business and that’s why no press releases have been issued by Apotex. There’s absolutely no way any child would have any hope of filling the shoes of a workaholic father who devoted his entire lifetime in building from ground up a multi billion dollar business involving 10000 employees, a multi-national empire. It’d be a road to disaster, particularly in instances like this involving sudden death when there was no transition period. If the four children inherited equally, it wouldn’t really be JS’s show to run as he’d also be representing the financial interests of his three sisters as well. Even if 2 of the 4 want to sell their private shares of the business, could the other 2 afford to buy them out? Probably not.

The best way to preserve the legacy of Apotex would be to sell it, leaving each of the four children free to continue or pursue their chosen careers or life path and be successful in their own right. JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

Something I’m curious about (a lot of things actually).

This was reported April/17, regarding the cousins billion or billion and a half dollar lawsuit. There’s no mention what came of it whatsoever but based on these allegations, might’ve a Judge granted an injunction to freeze Barry’s assets of which it appears were primarily Apotex shares, until the lawsuit was settled? Had he intended on selling the company prior to his death but was prevented for that reason?.....we don’t know, just another question mark.

BBM

“Teplitsky, the plaintiffs’ new lawyer, said the updated statement of claim was rewritten to flesh out more details around the plaintiffs’ fiduciary claim against Sherman and his co-defendants. They are also seeking to add Sherman’s wife, Honey, his children and his sister as defendants at the July court hearing, alleging that Sherman has transferred assets to them.

(Sherman, in an affidavit affirmed in January 2017, says the defendants oppose this motion to include his relatives because the allegations proposed to be added to the lawsuit “fail to state a cause of action.”)...”
Toronto billionaire’s orphaned cousins seek piece of Apotex fortune

 

[Arnie M]

10/3 podcast: Barry and Honey Sherman killing one year on
We look back at the killings, what may have stalled the investigation, and where police are at in their effort to catch those responsible.

Dave is joined by Toronto Sun columnist Joe Warmington.

Interesting interview .... finally got to listen to it today ..... good to hear Joe clarify the origins of the "M/S rumors" .

However , by the end Joe had me a bit puzzled when he said there were 4-5 suspects that police are focusing on.

Maybe its just me , but I was always under the impression police barely had even one suspect .... and now leap to 4 or 5 ....... it gave me whiplash HAAA!!

 

[taylorss]

Sorry if I missed that! What does he say the origin of the m/s theory is?? Thanks!!

Back last year, when the crime first happened, they did always seem to talk about multiple suspects.

But if it was a crime of personal animus, it seems odd for there to have been that many people involved. Unless they were all hired guns.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Sorry if I missed that! What does he say the origin of the m/s theory is?? Thanks!!

Back last year, when the crime first happened, they did always seem to talk about multiple suspects.

But if it was a crime of personal animus, it seems odd for there to have been that many people involved. Unless they were all hired guns.

Here’s dotr’s post with the link to the podcast: Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #10