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Does any other newspaper have the info as I can’t open the link.
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I still couldn't get in that way. Also couldn't get in by opening the fb link in a 'private window'.Mods. if this is not allowed, please remove. Thanks
Can someone please try this and let me know if it works?
Go to Facebook, then to the Toronto Star page.
If/when you find this article, can you read it there??
Many thanks.
ETA: someone who comes up against the paywall, not a subscriber. Tx.
Posted an hour ago...
May 14 2021
‘New information’ discovered in Barry and Honey Sherman murder case from previously interviewed witnesses
''People interviewed by Toronto homicide detectives in the early days of the Barry and Honey Sherman murder probe have recently handed over new information “previously unknown to investigators,” according to police documents filed in court.
The people — police have not identified them or said what they revealed — provided the information to detectives after the release of Sherman police files last December in response to a Toronto Star challenge of sealing orders on police search warrant documents.''
Alternate link..
‘New information’ discovered in Barry and Honey Sherman murder case from previously interviewed witnesses
From the link in your post (bbm): “As the Star has previously reported, the founder of Apotex generic drug company and his wife were strangled, most likely with a thin ligature similar to an industrial zip tie, and then were apparently posed in a seated position on the pool deck, leather belts around their neck tied to a low railing to keep them from falling back into the pool. ”
It was shocking to me when Donovan first reported that weeks ago: it seems law enforcement like hold-back information to me. After 3 1/2 years, one book and countless articles, we find this out. And before an arrest. Why?
According to Donovan, zip ties (possibly), were used to restrain the Shermans but were removed from the scene. Were the other ligatures left or removed? And if they were left, why was a m/s not immediately excluded by the first pathologist?
And this big detail (IMO) is only being reported by the Star.
Dr. M.Pollanen, the Chief Forensic Pathologist for Ontario is back in the news. Allegations against Dr. Pollanen haven't been proven in court, but his credibility has been tarnished by a scathing admonishment of his testimony in court by a judge.
The first autopsies of the Sherman's were performed by one of his staff, and obviously approved by him. (Undetermined manner of deaths). Dr. Pickup who performed the autopsies had considered murder, but signed off as "undetermined'. But he obviously felt the need to attend the second autopsies to provide Dr. Chiasson with photos to assist him. I thought his effort to help Chiasson find the evidence of manner of death was something he did with Pollanen's approval. Pickup is still employed with the forensic unit. Is it possible that Dr. Pollanen was initially influenced/pressured by TPS to not consider a double homicide as a manner of death? I have to assume that he agreed with Chiasson's results, because TPS would never have announced a double homicide based on Chiasson's report. jmo
Sources say Pickup saw indications that it might be a case of double murder. However, Pickup did not make that ruling. Neither Pickup or his boss, chief forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Pollanen, would discuss the case with the Star, citing provincial privacy rules.
How the investigation into the deaths of Barry and Honey Sherman turned from murder-suicide to double homicide
Pollanen's credibility under fire:
The Hamilton coroner who filed a complaint against Dr. M. Pollanen in 2019 is now seeking a
a judicial review of Ontario’s Death Investigation Oversight Council’s (DIOC) handling of her complaint, alleging that it failed “to perform the function entrusted to it by the Ontario legislature” to ensure accountability. Turner alleges that Pollanen deemed the baby’s death a result “of child abuse,” even though the evidence did not support that conclusion, and that he “manipulated” an independent review committee “to pressure her into changing her decision.” She claims that Pollanen’s alleged interference came after his credibility was “badly damaged” in a scathing superior court ruling months earlier.
He was brought in to fix Ontario’s forensic pathology system. Now he’s accused of ‘strong bias’ in investigating a baby’s death
"This interference not only impacts the forensic pathologists subordinate to him, but also the outcome of death investigations," she alleges.
She claims he "sought to impose his conclusions on reports without due regard to the evidence acquired."
She accuses him of using "fear and intimidation to ensure his views were carried through," creating a "toxic culture in death investigations in Ontario."
She alleges he unfairly discredited and disciplined pathologists who had differing views than his on cases.
Shutting down Hamilton forensic pathology unit 'could be rooted in revenge': NDP leader
He was brought in to fix Ontario’s forensic pathology system. Now he’s accused of ‘strong bias’ in investigating a baby’s death
In a case that parallels a scathing judge’s decision about Ontario’s chief forensic pathologist two years ago, Dr. Michael Pollanen has been accused of interfering in the work of the province’s other forensic pathologists, pressing them to change their findings in suspicious deaths and undermining those who disagree with him.
Christie Blatchford: 'Bullying' Ontario chief forensic pathologist accused of interfering with cases | National Post
If the crime scene was staged as m/s, there’s be no reason to immediately inform the unknown killer his ruse was unsuccessful.
I agree with you, and in my view it seems as though initially the police may have done that (not explicitly), and that makes sense.
But we’re way past that now. Why are we the public being told about the actual ligature that caused the deaths? We all know of many murder cases here where the loved ones don’t even know the cause of death and have to wait for an arrest and trial...but here we now know of a new weapon.
rbbm.IIRC I think I read somewhere that Dr Pickup did not have Pollanen’s prior approval to attend the second autopsy. Maybe another poster can confirm my memory thanks
From the link in your post (bbm): “As the Star has previously reported, the founder of Apotex generic drug company and his wife were strangled, most likely with a thin ligature similar to an industrial zip tie, and then were apparently posed in a seated position on the pool deck, leather belts around their neck tied to a low railing to keep them from falling back into the pool. ”
It was shocking to me when Donovan first reported that weeks ago: it seems law enforcement like hold-back information to me. After 3 1/2 years, one book and countless articles, we find this out. And before an arrest. Why?
According to Donovan, zip ties (possibly), were used to restrain the Shermans but were removed from the scene. Were the other ligatures left or removed? And if they were left, why was a m/s not immediately excluded by the first pathologist?
And this big detail (IMO) is only being reported by the Star.
rbbm.
Barry and Honey Sherman: how the second autopsy revealed it was a double murder - WWWHive
''Chiasson had invited both Dr. Michael Pickup, who performed the first post-mortems, and the Toronto police detectives working the case to the second autopsies. The police, a mix of divisional and homicide officers, had declined. Pickup agreed to go. He did not request permission from his boss, Dr. Michael Pollanen, and later Pickup would catch heat for not at least informing Ontario’s chief pathologist.''
Posted an hour ago...
May 14 2021
‘New information’ discovered in Barry and Honey Sherman murder case from previously interviewed witnesses
''People interviewed by Toronto homicide detectives in the early days of the Barry and Honey Sherman murder probe have recently handed over new information “previously unknown to investigators,” according to police documents filed in court.
The people — police have not identified them or said what they revealed — provided the information to detectives after the release of Sherman police files last December in response to a Toronto Star challenge of sealing orders on police search warrant documents.''
Alternate link..
‘New information’ discovered in Barry and Honey Sherman murder case from previously interviewed witnesses
rbbm.
Barry and Honey Sherman: how the second autopsy revealed it was a double murder - WWWHive
''Chiasson had invited both Dr. Michael Pickup, who performed the first post-mortems, and the Toronto police detectives working the case to the second autopsies. The police, a mix of divisional and homicide officers, had declined. Pickup agreed to go. He did not request permission from his boss, Dr. Michael Pollanen, and later Pickup would catch heat for not at least informing Ontario’s chief pathologist.''
With Dr. Pollanen now having to defend himself against a charge of bullying and forcing forensic pathologists to change their findings, and testifying in court against an accused person without having read the evidence, and his credibility being decimated by a judge, I suspect that Dr. Pickup knew back then that he wouldn't have Pollanen's approval to supply Dr. Chiasson with what he needed for the second autopsies. Politics should never factor in forensic science and police should never outright refuse to consider different forensic evidence. Politics and police egos may have derailed this case initially. jmo
"He (Dr. Chiasson) had dealt with a great deal of politics when he was Ontario’s chief forensic pathologist, and he did not enjoy that side of a high-profile job. He was not entirely sure he wanted to face that kind of stress again.
Having Pickup present was key to Chiasson being able to conduct a successful second set of post-mortems. As with the description of the official autopsy (manner of death undetermined) neither Chiasson nor Pickup would agree to be interviewed."
Taken from the same link above.
It’s the Chief Coroner who signs off autopsy reports, not the Chief Pathologist so your theory might require some tweaking IMO.
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True, the final sign off is by Dr. Dirk Huyer C.C. I'm not sure my questioning of politics and egos needs much tweaking. lol
.. the Office of the Chief Coroner (which Huyer leads) recently came under fire in a report by Ontario’s Auditor General. The December 2019 report cites a lack of oversight, unprofessional behaviour, undisclosed conflicts of interest and perhaps most importantly to the public, inadequate analysis of mortality data.
His office was under fire. Now, Ontario’s Chief Coroner leads the pandemic response
The lone detective and the Barry and Honey Sherman murder caseNew article in the star today focused on Det Constable Yim. I found this statement interesting “...During the cross-examination, Yim said that it is possible that one day, should he retire and the case still remain open, another officer might take over. “I don’t anticipate working on this case for the rest of my life....”.
As Det Yim appears to me to be about 45 years old, the suggestion( By him) that he could retire before this case is solved is most disheartening.
His statement could also be taken to mean that he expects it will be solved before he retired, or that he expects to be pulled off the case by TPS sometime and replaced by someone else before he retires.
However, since he is the only officer working the case full time, given his accumulated knowledge, replacing him appears unlikely to me.
The article indicates that TPS has had the same theory of the case since 4 months after the murders. But despite so much video and so many interviews they seemingly just can’t seem to join enough dots to proceed further:
Where are you in the Sherman investigation? Yim was asked Friday during a court hearing.
“Sometimes I feel like I am playing football blind,” Yim told the Ontario Court of Justice during cross-examination by a Toronto Star reporter, who represented the publication in its application to unseal police search warrant materials.
“I don’t know if I am at the one-yard line, or in the middle of the field. It’s hard to answer that question. Something could happen tomorrow that would change my answer. It’s dynamic and it’s still active. I would have to predict the future to answer that question and I can’t do that.”