CANADA Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #17

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Would those other "perps" be on the same camera or neighborhood cameras that caught this suspect entering and leaving the area of the Sherman property?

Did LE collect more video evidence from the neighborhood for Thursday? I think about the Thursday visitor who may have entered & exited the residence a few times in a 45 min timeframe (one report stated they went to door and did not enter, another state they entered the home and were inside for up to 15 mins straight, then came out to car, then went back in for a total of 3 visits)

If Shermans had no appointments scheduled for this Thursday how often do strangers come to your door, knock, and if no answer try the door and enter, especially with cars out front? I thought a contractor but reports are they had no plans on this Thurs and no one missed them.

Reports are out that LE knew of this individual and had spoken with them. But they never revealed the purpose of the visit and share why you would go to the entry area and return to your car that was on the road not the driveway multiple times over 45 minutes. (why you would not use driveway - contractor it is against some company rules, your car leaks oil or fluids, what other reasons?)

Did LE check cell tower communications for the time the car was in the area? Were they calling HS cell that was on the floor in the general area of the front door.

Again no alarm bells were raised by this person, if they did go in, would they have seen a cell phone on floor?

A staff member stated on Friday the alarm was not on, it was off, I think she meant that the doors did not chime when they entered the home. You need a code to "disarm" the alarm system, do you need that for the window and door chimes? Or is it just a switch on the keypad you use for that? I assume this was an older system.

This and the 911 call, will we ever know if it was HS that dialed 911 from her phone? Thoughts that it was LE knocking on the door checking up on a 911 call on that Thursday have crossed my mind.

i believe the thurs visitor was an unmarked police car with an officer investigating the rumoured 911 call. I believe LE cannot bring themselves to admit publicly that they went to the house while the bodies were inside. I have not heard that the visitor actually went into the house- if so would LE have any legal basis to do so, other than having received a potential 911 call?
I thought HS's cell phone was found in the bathroom ....

The bathroom is near the front door
 
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Watch the video: What happened inside Barry and Honey Sherman's home before they were murdered
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MeasureGuy



Building of Sherman’s North York dream home was a ‘disaster’ that led to litigation
 
iIRC it was rumoured that BS was supportive of JD before and after this came to light.
Former CEO of Barry Sherman's drug company fights back in 'pillow-talk' suit - Macleans.ca
2018 rbbm.
By Michael Friscolanti and Anne Kingston
''Apotex submitted its reply to the lawsuit on the same day as Desai, and like its former CEO, Canada’s largest drug-maker denies any wrongdoing. “Apotex has at all times acted in good faith,” reads the filing, which requests that the lawsuit “be dismissed in its entirety.” Apotex specifically denies acquiring any confidential documents from Teva—or that any such records were shared with multiple company executives, let alone used to “improperly profit at Teva USA’s expense.”

Born in England, Desai joined Apotex in 2003, serving as global head of R&D, then as chief operating officer, before Sherman selected him in August 2014 to take over as president and CEO. The two men clearly enjoyed a close relationship. In fact, it was Sherman who personally provided a $3.15-million mortgage—at zero interest, with no payment schedule—for the upscale Toronto home that Desai and his wife, Kalpna, purchased when they first moved to Canada. When the Shermans were killed, the full mortgage remained outstanding.''
 
Extra security would not have helped the Shermans. imo, speculation.
Both very lengthy (And illuminating, imo) articles. rbbm.fwiw.....
The Break-In Artist: the hunt for the cat burglar who terrorized Toronto's wealthiest neighbourhoods
By Malcolm Johnston | March 25, 2015
''The Fort Knox of Thornhill is a stucco mansion with a mansard roof, front-yard fountain and U-shaped driveway on the area’s most coveted street. It’s owned by a middle-aged couple named Tony and Sherry, who asked that we not publish their last name, and is equipped with every security measure on the market: eight interior and exterior video cameras, reinforced locks, motion detectors in all rooms, a siren, contacts on every window hard-wired to a central response station, glass-break sensors, a 1.8-metre-high wrought iron fence with a buzzer system at the front and a brick retaining wall at the back. In home security–speak, the place is a “hard target,” meaning most thieves will take one look and move along.

So it came as a shock when, at 6:06 on the evening of Wednesday, November 6, 2013, Sherry received a call from her alarm company, Vigilarm, informing her that the second-storey master bedroom window had been opened.''

''The police boundary that encompasses parts of Lawrence Park, North York and the Bridle Path is Toronto’s most targeted. Since 2004, it has suffered a reported 9,374 break and enters, for an average of 852 per year or more than two per day. The next most targeted areas are the Annex, Little Italy, east Forest Hill, Mount Pleasant, Leaside, Rosedale and Trinity Bellwoods.''

''The figure was nearly always the same: a man in dark clothing, his face concealed, leaping from one house to the next, crawling up walls, ascending downspouts or hanging onto perilously steep roofs. Police developed a nickname for their daredevil mystery perp: Spiderman.''

''As a criminal, however, he was sophisticated and methodical. During B&Es, he wore a dark, heavy denim jacket and pants, comfortable yet resistant to tearing or cuts, crucial to avoid leaving behind blood or other DNA evidence. He wore Kevlar gloves for the same reason. He owned a variety of cheap running shoes and often used rental cars, paid for in cash and probably rented under a fake name so that police couldn’t trace his plates.''

''Gagnon studied Lash’s shop for six months to plot his break-in. In the mornings, often before 9 a.m., he’d park his Mercedes convertible across the street and often stay well past closing. Sometimes he’d use a rental car so as not to raise the suspicion of patrons and store owners. He recorded the licence plates of the cars that drove into the store’s parking lot and monitored the patterns of Lash and his security personnel and staff. Gagnon periodically climbed up to the rooftop of the building across the street and, using a high-powered night-vision telescope, peered inside the jewellery store. He searched for a weak spot in the security apparatus, which was formidable: the front and back entrances had twin key code activated doors, which Gagnon knew weren’t worth the effort''

''The year before, a client in the Yonge and York Mills area came home to find the skylight forced open—the thief had descended via a rope to the second storey—and a small collection of jewellery missing. D’Agosto arrived on the scene minutes after an alarm sounded, but the perp had vanished, the getaway rope still swinging.''

''At his farmhouse outside Bradford, they found what looked like a scene out of Ocean’s Eleven: articulating cameras, a climbing rope, a parabolic listening device, lock-picking manuals, an assortment of bump keys and lock-picking equipment, balaclavas, grinders, hatchets and crowbars, much of it stuffed into backpacks as ready-to-go B&E kits''

''Under the conditions of his $400,000 bail, covered in equal parts by Gagnon, his wife and two friends, Gagnon now stays with sureties near highways 401 and 400, or with his wife in Bradford (he completed the renovations to his property near Forest Hill and sold it for $872,500 last October).''

New Rogers "channel" is all chicken, all day
''A reformed ex-con reveals the tricks of his trade and teaches us to match wits with robbers before they strike
by Malcolm Johnston for Streets Of Toronto Posted: February 24, 2011

''Reading a home is something of an art form. Keith Matthews (not his real name) gestures at a large brick home on a snowy neighbourhood street with the blinds pulled partially back. “You can tell no one’s in there,” he says. “You see the living room on the right-hand side, the kitchen area on this side. They do have the laundry going, so they’re going to be back soon. You can see the exhaust on the side. That’s their laundry.” He points to the side door, which is obscured from view by a row of cedar trees, as his likely point of entry.''

''Some burglars will stake out a house for days, studying the owner’s patterns. Matthews preferred to find out quickly and definitively whether someone was home. “What you do is knock on the door and ask for ‘Fred.’ Make up any name. Bang, bang, bang. Make sure. If someone comes to the door, say, ‘Oh, I was looking for Fred.’ You give them some story. That way you find out if they’re home or not. Then go around to the side,” he says.


Matthews is walking south along Banbury Road in Bayview. He stands about five feet eight inches and is wearing dark wraparound sunglasses and a toque that covers his ears, so only his mouth and nose are exposed. He gets a long look from a resident walking her dog. “See, you’ve got people watching you — ‘What the hell are they doing?’ — right?” he says.''

''Matthews says he could break into nearly any home in a matter of minutes. Once inside, the first order of business was to find an exit and make sure it was unlocked. Then he would go to the master bedroom and look under the mattress and for good reason: he once found $17,000 in luggage under the bed.''

''A lot of the time, you come in contact with the person who robbed you, or they’ve been watching your place. Sometimes what people do is they go to those art galleries, and they will watch people, and they will see people buy [something] and then tail them home and stake them out,” he says. Sometimes Matthews would wear a hard hat and pretend he was in the neighbourhood reading meters. Meanwhile, he’d be surveying the street, looking for the perfect target. Other times, the disguise was legitimate. He used to run a construction company that did a slew of jobs in Forest Hill and Rosedale.''

''To get into that basement, Matthews simply removed the windowpane, which is how he would usually get around most windows rigged with alarm contacts. “Make sure the window is inside the frame itself and that it’s not one of those ones where you just put a [windowpane] in and a piece of trim on the outside,” he says. “It’s four finishing nails. Take that off and the whole window pops out.”

''Motion detectors need to be carefully positioned to be effective, and most aren’t. “I can tell you about motion detectors. They are garbage, absolute garbage. I can beat every one that’s out there,” Matthews says. Most of them don’t scan the foot and a half closest to the floor, so he would crawl on his stomach and pass by undetected. If he saw the monitor go red, he would lie still until it turned back to green. So make sure your detectors are aimed at the floor and position one at the foot of the stairs, which will keep the burglar to just one floor, he says.''
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Shane Zwezdaryk AKA ''Gagnon/Matthews''
'Spiderman' convicted in previous deadly heist | Toronto Sun
''Shane Gagnon is accused of being one of the most prolific burglars the GTA has ever known.''
Gagnon also has had some success as an inventor.
His profile on quirky.com boasts of over 400 inventions and 14 patents, including one for a “sex chair.”
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Toronto Life

I wonder where Gagnon was on December 12 2017.;)

Is this his site?
Joe/Shane Gagnon Apparel Products
 
i believe the thurs visitor was an unmarked police car with an officer investigating the rumoured 911 call. I believe LE cannot bring themselves to admit publicly that they went to the house while the bodies were inside. I have not heard that the visitor actually went into the house- if so would LE have any legal basis to do so, other than having received a potential 911 call?
I never thought of that, the possibility of that car being an unmarked police car. I have read so very many things about this case… Didn’t the police visit another home down the road because they thought the 911 call originated from a neighboring house? And when exactly did the 911 call come in? I would assume the night before maybe when HS was running to the powder room. Does anybody know anything about the earring found outside? Was there a scuffle outside first or was she startled inside the home and actually was able to run outside and then be brought back in the house.
After the murders JS fired a loyal friend who worked with and was close to BS, I wonder why JS treated this person so badly. If’s accurate I read that the children waited five weeks before they told the police that their own coroner said the parents had been murdered. Jonathan wouldn’t let the police in the Apotex for four weeks. A lot of waste of time. Seems like they were cleaning the books, so to speak.
 
re: thursday visitor
i always wondered if the thursday visitor was someone trying to serve barry with papers. might explain their persistence that day. but i'll be first to admit i know nothing about legal processes. just some speculation!
 
I never thought of that, the possibility of that car being an unmarked police car. I have read so very many things about this case… Didn’t the police visit another home down the road because they thought the 911 call originated from a neighboring house? And when exactly did the 911 call come in? I would assume the night before maybe when HS was running to the powder room. Does anybody know anything about the earring found outside? Was there a scuffle outside first or was she startled inside the home and actually was able to run outside and then be brought back in the house.
After the murders JS fired a loyal friend who worked with and was close to BS, I wonder why JS treated this person so badly. If’s accurate I read that the children waited five weeks before they told the police that their own coroner said the parents had been murdered. Jonathan wouldn’t let the police in the Apotex for four weeks. A lot of waste of time. Seems like they were cleaning the books, so to speak.

Many of the things you mention are not proven factual -
- earring on the curb was never confirmed to belong to Honey.
- JK stepped in as CEO of Apotex for one year after Barry’s death. He’s never confirmed he was ousted by JS.
- the children have insisted a m/s did not occur from the very beginning.
- a Judge did not initially approve the search warrant due to Apotex lawyers concern over confidentiality agreements, it was not JS’s refusal that caused the lag.

Apotex is a huge company, one person would be unable to “clean” the books without leaving huge empty spaces in the accounting. There is zero proof of any illegal acts or wrongdoing on the part of Apotex that could simply be erased.

JMO
 
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Many of the things you mention are not proven factual -
- earring on the curb was never confirmed to belong to Honey.
- JK stepped in as CEO of Apotex for one year after Barry’s death. He’s never confirmed he was ousted by JS.
- the children have insisted a m/s did not occur from the very beginning.
- a Judge did not initially approve the search warrant due to Apotex lawyers concern over confidentiality agreements, it was not JS’s refusal that caused the lag.

Apotex is a huge company, one person would be unable to “clean” the books without leaving huge empty spaces in the accounting. There is zero proof of any illegal acts or wrongdoing on the part of Apotex.

JMO
JK is not the person I was referring to. I would have to go back and research the stuff again. I know I read that the kids waited five weeks before they went to the police and told the Toronto police the findings of their corner, unless it really took that long.. It’s a shame there’s that much misinformation out there and I try to read what Kevin Donovan has recorded. Hearsay is hearsay and that doesn’t help anybody.
 
The Will.

I haven’t wanted to ‘go there,’ but the arrows are pointing in that direction for me, so I’m parked at that line of thinking I guess until new information suggests I move.

Question for everyone. What are your thoughts today on the number of perps “on site” or close to it, Dec. 13?

The other day I was thinking three, including a spotter. Now, I’m thinking just one in the house and a spotter, or two.

Possible The Night Walker ‘flew solo’ - and if so, then I’d think he definitely had inside information about the Shermans’ schedules.

In sum, I am at three, still, but the thought of NW acting alone is nagging me.

Thoughts?
Two inside, one spotter.
 
Lone wolf, just the nightwalker

I agree, one inside and obviously the one that hired him, maybe a third that helped plan the whole thing....definitely 2 in total, but wouldn't surprise me if we find out about 3.

The more that's involved the messier it gets and then people tend to talk, the less people involved the easier it is to get away with it.

1 hit man and one that hired the hit man.
 
JK is not the person I was referring to. I would have to go back and research the stuff again. I know I read that the kids waited five weeks before they went to the police and told the Toronto police the findings of their corner, unless it really took that long.. It’s a shame there’s that much misinformation out there and I try to read what Kevin Donovan has recorded. Hearsay is hearsay and that doesn’t help anybody.

Upon any death deemed “suspicious”, which this was, the Coroner is notified by LE, an autopsy is completed and the Office undertakes an investigation into the cause and manner of death. Families may pay for a 2nd autopsy for the sake of added thoroughness, especially in this case as m/s was running rampant as a result of an anonymous leak, but it’s not up to TPS alone to decide the manner of death because they’re not licensed medical experts. Autopsies are often not finalized for six weeks because apparently that’s the usual length of time for topology reports to be completed. So whether or not the family notified TPS of the 2nd autopsy results is sort of meaningless in terms of proof of anything underhanded.

Death investigations
 
Upon any death deemed “suspicious”, which this was, the Coroner is notified by LE, an autopsy is completed and the Office undertakes an investigation into the cause and manner of death. Families may pay for a 2nd autopsy for the sake of added thoroughness, especially in this case as m/s was running rampant as a result of an anonymous leak, but it’s not up to TPS alone to decide the manner of death because they’re not licensed medical experts. Autopsies are often not finalized for six weeks because apparently that’s the usual length of time for topology reports to be completed. So whether or not the family notified TPS of the 2nd autopsy results is sort of meaningless in terms of proof of anything underhanded.

Death investigations
I’m not saying the kids were underhanded so much as I am saying I believe there was a lot of time wasted all the way around.
 
I’m not saying the kids were underhanded so much as I am saying I believe there was a lot of time wasted all the way around.

It may seem that way. The thing is we can make all the assumptions we want, TPS isn’t going to defend themselves either. During the recent PC didn’t Det Price say something about 920 actions, of which collecting and sifting through the thousands of hours of CCTV represented just one.

Price (homicide squad) was on site the day of discovery and iirc the unit officially took over as soon as the cause of death was determined.
 
Just noting the suspect walked from the Shermans home and likely walked past their former home.

The suspect was heading south on Bannatyne, according to the Star. I was looking at the route and he may have passed by Beaverhall Drive where the Shermans lived prior to 50 Old Colony. From Google maps:
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He’d walk right past the Vyner Greenbelt: forested, and likely no cctv.

Their previous home is also where KW said he visited years ago and Honey confronted him about how he was spending the millions that Barry had given him. (Per the Fifth Estate program.)

Link to post where KW mentioned visiting that home:

Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #8

Barry also had issues with the construction of the home on Beaverhall. From KD’s book, page 105 of my ebook:
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ETA: An early theory was that the murders were related to the construction issues at 50 Old Colony. The Shermans were found in the pool area which was a later addition to the home. The theory was that they were staged facing towards the garage and home as a ‘message’.
 

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re: thursday visitor
i always wondered if the thursday visitor was someone trying to serve barry with papers. might explain their persistence that day. but i'll be first to admit i know nothing about legal processes. just some speculation!
That person could've been anyone. It's possible H had an appt scheduled with someone at the house that day, which could explain his lingering and retrying. I doubt if he entered, there seems to be no proof that he did. LE said they knew who it was, which now makes perfect sense, since we now know they were trying from early on to identify all people seen in various video footage. H may have even said, 'you'll see my car in the driveway', or something, so he may have known she was in there? Could've been another of her personal service workers, a decorating consultant, a realtor scheduled to perform a video viewing for his client, who knows? This person hasn't contacted media, and LE isn't sharing their info unless it serves their purposes. Would sure be great to someday see all of the various pieces unfold and become explained via a trial.
 
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