Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #4

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What can't be tested within the garage that can be tested elsewhere? It just makes more sense to me that evidence be preserved in situ rather than being dragged through the streets without a cover.

It is odd that the vehicle is not covered, esp as it was snowing lightly at the time.

Putting the seal on in front of the cameras is probably to show that the chain of evidence has not been broken.

Could it be that there is an area IN the garage that needs going over by forensics and they simply needed to remove the car to make space?

We have no idea how many vehicles are down there and it could be the so-called second crime scene, perhaps?
 
Im not sure there was a 'first' and 'second' murder. I suspect there were a couple or more perps, one per person to do the deed and a couple of lookouts/assistants. IMO

The Shermans were probably attacked from behind, saw nothing and were incapacitated very quickly. IMO

Some have speculated that HS would be killed first to make BS suffer. I don't believe killers think that way, they're there to get it over and done with quickly and get out. To a hit man, its simply business. IMO

I've thought all along it was double murder, and likely a hit. But how to explain what appeared to be quite different levels of rigor when the bodies were removed if the murders were simultaneous?
 
Good post about that up thread ^^, back a few pages.

It was posted that whatever was attached to the bodies could have been placed in the bags with the bodies and could account for the shape.

Rigor comes and goes, is not permanent and varies amongst bodies. Body weight, room temp, if BS had a paunch etc.
 
What can't be tested within the garage that can be tested elsewhere? It just makes more sense to me that evidence be preserved in situ rather than being dragged through the streets without a cover.
Also the PIs won't be able to examine the car if it is locked in forensics. Winters in Toronto are pretty mild, I never had snow tires when I lived there, and had no problems at all, but I had front wheel drive. Also I would be positive that the ramp to the garage would be heated, so no issues getting a car like that in and out. Unfortunately no foot prints would remain on the ramp to alert BS or HS of anything amiss, if that was the way that the perps used to get into the house,
 
I've thought all along it was double murder, and likely a hit. But how to explain what appeared to be quite different levels of rigor when the bodies were removed if the murders were simultaneous?

Maybe they kept him alive to sign papers, read papers, talk, threaten, etc ... before he was killed.


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https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...wed-from-home-of-barry-and-honey-sherman.html
The car removed from the property was a silver 1999 Ford convertible registered under Honey Sherman’s name.

Last month, police removed a first vehicle from the property, also registered under Honey Sherman’s name. David Perry, a veteran of the Toronto police’s homicide and sexual assault squads, told the Star that a car search could look for signs of struggle, blood or any other evidence to further the investigation.
Monday night, the home near Bayview Ave. and Highway 401 was quiet. The month-long police presence remained, with a member of the Toronto police stationed outside the house, the property still surrounded with yellow police tape.
 
Remember there were two cars parked in fron of the house. An SUV and a darker sedan, maybe blue.

The articles say the Mustang was the second car removed. So the sedan belonged to someone else.

If it is true, and we do not know that it is, they drove to the architect’s in separate cars. Honey parked out front and Barry in the garage?
 
I've thought all along it was double murder, and likely a hit. But how to explain what appeared to be quite different levels of rigor when the bodies were removed if the murders were simultaneous?

We don't know that the bodies were in different levels of rigor when they were being removed. We don't know how the bodies were positioned on the gurneys. For all we know, one of the bodies is stomach down and the part we see sticking up is the arms behind their back.

Rigor is also different in every body.

IMO
 
We don't know that the bodies were in different levels of rigor when they were being removed. We don't know how the bodies were positioned on the gurneys. For all we know, one of the bodies is stomach down and the part we see sticking up is the arms behind their back.
IMO
Or oodles of money or Vitamin C piled to fool the media :)
 
Remember there were two cars parked in fron of the house. An SUV and a darker sedan, maybe blue.
Maybe an unmarked detective car, who arrived on the scene prior to tape going up?
 
I had the exact same Mustang. When i parked on my very slightly sloped driveway, if there was freezing rain or that very light, sleek snow, I would wake up to find the back my Mustang on the sidewalk/Boulevard. Setting the emergency break did nothing. My dad eventually put little blocks behind the car. Not sure if parking in reverse would've made a difference or contributes to anything with the direction of this Mustang in the garage, etc.
 
Maybe an unmarked detective car, who arrived on the scene prior to tape going up?
Maybe it is the car that BS usually drove?
https://torontolife.com/from-the-archives/barry-sherman-bitter-pill-from-the-archives/
Barry Sherman parks his 2005 Chrysler Sebring convertible in the spot closest to the main door of the Apotex headquarters in Weston. Although Sherman, the CEO and founder, is the country’s 10th richest man, with a personal wealth of about $3.7 billion, he’s notoriously thrifty. He’s owned only four cars in his life, driving them until they’re ready to junk
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Yes, I think it was BS' car and the reporters somehow missed seeing it being moved/towed away also.
 
Genetic pot-pourri: Why cannabis strains don't all live up to their billing
January 17, 2018

Snipped...
..."If you want to be taken seriously on this and want to get into a real agricultural game where we're breeding varieties of marijuana like we breed strawberries, tomatoes and potatoes, we're not going to be able to just throw names around like this forever," Myles says.

The potential problems that crop up if pot isn't clearly classified aren't lost on the commercial growers. With legalization on the near horizon, big weed companies are already turning attention to careful breeding of cannabis.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/ormiston-pot-marijuana-cannabis-weed-genetics-1.4489974
 
Is timing really everything? imo, speculation.
Nov 8 2017

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releas...medical-marijuana-to-australia-656075173.html
CannTrust™ Announces Receiving Health Canada Approval to Export Medical Marijuana Internationally and the Shipping of Medical Marijuana to Australia


As a federally regulated licensed producer, CannTrust™ brings more than 40 years of pharmacy and healthcare experience to the medical cannabis industry. CannTrust currently operates a 50,000 square foot state-of-the-art hydroponic facility in Vaughan, Ontario and with this recently received Health Canada Cultivation License has begun production at Phase 1 of its 430,000 square foot cultivation facility in the Niagara region.

CannTrust™ is committed to research and innovation, as well as contributing to the growing body of evidence- based research regarding the use and efficacy of cannabis. Our product development teams along with our exclusive global pharma partner, Apotex Inc., are diligently innovating and developing products that will make it easier for patients to use medical cannabis.
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Fwiw..
April 6 2017
http://nationalpost.com/news/toront...between-medical-marijuana-and-organized-crime
The mob, marijuana and murder: Toronto shooting shows link between medical marijuana, organized crime
On the other hand..
August 14 2017
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...llegal-pot-business-is-going-up-in-smoke.html
The days when Hells Angels and mobsters enjoyed a strong hand in Canada’s marijuana trade will be just a hazy memory by the time pot is to be legalized next year, according to some experts.

“A pretty small part of the marijuana industry today is what I call organized crime,” said criminologist Neil Boyd of Simon Fraser University — a change from a few decades ago, when big-league criminals thrived in the pot trade.

That’s a major shift from the mid-2000s, when outlaw bikers worked with traditional Mafia groups to move into exporting Canadian marijuana, according to Kash Heed, former B.C. solicitor general, minister of public safety and West Vancouver Police chief. Most of that product was exported to the U.S., Heed said.

Rick Ciarniello, a Canadian spokesperson for the Hells Angels, politely brushed off questions about whether the world’s largest outlaw motorcycle club has a position on legalized marijuana.

“Some are prone to believe all the police hype and propaganda,” Ciarniello said. “If that is to be believed, the Hells Angels must have such a position. The fact is; the hype and propaganda is wrong. As such, the short answer is no.”

The efforts of organized crime to control the pot trade have been undermined for the past three decades by “disorganized crime,” according to Alan Young, an associate professor at the Osgoode Hall law school. Many of these are green-thumbed potheads growing marijuana for friends.
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