Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #6

[Grey-St]

None of the cousins were orphaned at age 12. They ranged in age from 3 to 7 when their parents died in late 1965. Their ages when orphaned certainly doesn't negate what you're saying, I just wanted to clarify they were a lot younger than 12.

"Then, in 1958, Lou and Beverley adopted a baby boy, Tim, and, as sometimes happens, Beverley became pregnant. She gave birth to Jeffrey in 1960, Kerry in 1961 and Dana in 1962."

https://torontolife.com/from-the-archives/barry-sherman-bitter-pill-from-the-archives/

Thank you! I was just bouncing off what the original poster said.

 

[Grey-St]

This is straight out of Patsy Ramsey land

"Did you kill Honey and Barry Sherman?"

"Absolutely not.. I had nothing to do with it.. I don't know who did it..."

No might have been more convincing. IMO. He wasn't asked if he knew who did it, but he had the need to keep talking, to distract from his unconvincing answer.

Mystery over, case closed for me. His turmoil is so evident, I do have sympathy for him, I feel they were wronged. But I do not and never will condone murder in any situation.

I would love to hear what some sort of specialist has to say about his interview. A possible analysis of his verbal and body language and response to questions would be interesting to say the least!

 

[Grey-St]

I still feel the reenactment of the victims' final few hours is in poor taste this soon after the event - but I likely will cave in and stream it soon out of sheer curiosity.

If KW didn't do it (and I don't believe he had the brains to commit what is looking like a perfect crime, in terms of evidence and what we know so far - which of course may not be all TPS knows), nor the cash to hire someone - what is his motivation for courting all this publicity now? Money (from the DM and the Mirror, maybe), hatred of the entire Sherman family and jealousy of the children, and/ or is he just a regular sociopath who enjoys attention?

Probably all of the above, and then some.

 

[Veeduck]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/barry-sherman-cousin-1.4514176

In a wide-ranging interview with The Fifth Estate, Winter said he told his psychiatrist that in the past, he had fantasized about murdering Barry Sherman.

"I would talk about killing Barry, and it was very graphic," Winter said. "He would come out of the parking lot of Apotex, and I'd be hiding behind a car, and I'd just decapitate him. I wanted to roll his head down the parking lot, and I'd sit there and wait for the police."

BBM

KW goes on to say that he has no alibi for all times on Dec 13, and could easily have driven over to the Shermans and killed them. After admitting that, he says "...but I didn't, I didn't, and that's why I'm not nervous."

I'd be, if I were him.

 

[Tortoise]

We don't know if gems are missing. It's possible if the one who wanted them killed thought they had jewels in the house that the promise to a hired killer of being able to help themselves to them would be the payment. If there was nothing much of value kept there or they were in a safe and Honey wouldn't give them the code, then payment would be outstanding.

 

[BUF]

This is straight out of Patsy Ramsey land

"Did you kill Honey and Barry Sherman?"

"Absolutely not.. I had nothing to do with it.. I don't know who did it..."

No might have been more convincing. IMO. He wasn't asked if he knew who did it, but he had the need to keep talking, to distract from his unconvincing answer.

Mystery over, case closed for me. His turmoil is so evident, I do have sympathy for him, I feel they were wronged. But I do not and never will condone murder in any situation.

Yep.

His demeanor did kind of change when asked "did you kill the Shermans" (and when he was told he failed the lie detector test)

https://youtu.be/cJ6abt5y9ps

He certainly has made the media circuit.

 

[Researchnut]

He helped them plenty but it was not enough.

I would feel the same way if I gave someone millions and tried to help them by paying for treatment and they kicked me in the teeth for it.

What did they do with their millions? We are to believe billions would change their lives?

However, BS first tricked them out of their inheritance and then he doled out money when he felt it was right. When the cousins figured out what he had done and they sued him for the 5% each of the shares they were due .BS took anything good he had done and took everything back.This didn't just affect the W children,it also would have had an affect on the W kids,children . I personally would not have done it. He took thier homes.....

We also don't know what the W kids would have done with the money. They would not have to be dependant on BS's whim to get money that IMO should have gone to the W kid's in the first place. That would have taken some stress away from them.

All JMO

 

[Bravo]

Jumping off your post. [emoji4]

[emoji4] And he also needs to start taking responsibility for his own life and personal failings. There isn’t any amount of money that can fix that. Ohhhhh the self pity, hatred, loathing and revenge that exudes from KW.

He has been given more monetary fortunes, countless help in other ways, drug rehab bankrolled by BS ... the list goes on and on. Never a single mention of his own personal responsibility for his own life’s actions and repercussions.

I simply have no respect for a person of his ilk, and find it to be absolutely despicable that he is adding so much additional pain and heartbreak to the Sherman’s children.

KW is not a human being with goodness in his soul. He survives solely on self pity and greed. Horrific way to go through life.

MOO
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Everything you said. I would also like to add it's so vile to speak ill of the dead. Despite what a person may feel.

 

[nuff]

However, BS first tricked them out of their inheritance and then he doled out money when he felt it was right. When the cousins figured out what he had done and they sued him for the 5% each of the shares they were due .BS took anything good he had done and took everything back.This didn't just affect the W children,it also would have had an affect on the W kids,children . I personally would not have done it. He took thier homes.....

We also don't know what the W kids would have done with the money. They would not have to be dependant on BS's whim to get money that IMO should have gone to the W kid's in the first place. That would have taken some stress away from them.

All JMO

But thus far, the court has sided with BS, so legally, anything he did for them was out of his own generosity. (Morally, it may be a different matter, but he did not "trick them out of their inheritance.")

 

[minorone]

I would love to hear what some sort of specialist has to say about his interview. A possible analysis of his verbal and body language and response to questions would be interesting to say the least!

Started reading this article about tell tale signs of deception. Have not had the time to analysis his verbal or body language pattern. If the interview from the 5th estate interview is fairly lengthy, the deception should be noticeable.

"Truthful people usually describe historical events in the past tense. Deceptive people sometimes refer to past events as if the events were occurring in the present. Describing past events using the present tense suggests that people are rehearsing the events in their mind.

"Outright lies carry the risk of detection. Before answering a question with a lie, a deceptive person will usually try to avoid answering the question at all.

"http://www.fraud-magazine.com/article.aspx?id=4294971184

 

[Bravo]

I'll be tuning in but if any Ninja's or Nanny's come up in conversation I'm out (lol)

 

[JDG]

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...Toronto-15-Dec-2017-1&p=13817445#post13817445

"Their adoptive parents spent most of the money" was in the Globe and Mail at above link.

I guess the papers would never let FACTS or the government stand in the way of a good story eh? IMO

 

[Sphinx]

I still feel the reenactment of the victims' final few hours is in poor taste this soon after the event - but I likely will cave in and stream it soon out of sheer curiosity.

If KW didn't do it (and I don't believe he had the brains to commit what is looking like a perfect crime, in terms of evidence and what we know so far - which of course may not be all TPS knows), nor the cash to hire someone - what is his motivation for courting all this publicity now? Money (from the DM and the Mirror, maybe), hatred of the entire Sherman family and jealousy of the children, and/ or is he just a regular sociopath who enjoys attention?

I think a true sociopath would have passed the lie detector test. Serial killer Ted Bundy did. I am not in any way defending KW's statements to the press. He may have delusions of grandeur, and be full of hate, as well as refusing to take responsibility for his own bad decisions in life, but I doubt that he is a murderer. The murders had a sophistication about them, and left one with a sense that those who carried them out were not only efficient, and clever, but very experienced. They left no evidence, no trail, and planned things so the bodies were not even discovered for two days after death. This, in my opinion took an experienced team of high level assassins, who had specific instructions about the manner of death, and staging. It involves both a type of revenge-justice, and a warning to others. I just do not think KW could have carried this off. The real killers, those who ordered it, are likely smugly smiling that he is foolishly telling the press all about how much he hated Honey and Barry, and in the process making himself look like a suspect, more like a red herring really. IMO

 

[Tortoise]

I would love to hear what some sort of specialist has to say about his interview. A possible analysis of his verbal and body language and response to questions would be interesting to say the least!

"I don't know who did it"

I'm not going to link the research I've done because I know that some people (not necessarily people in this thread) don't approve of statement analysis. So I will just mark it as my opinion; if a subject makes an open statement "I don't know blah blah" - so it's not a response to a question asked - it signals suppression of knowledge, because we report what we know not what we don't know.

It helps to put yourself in that situation and being asked if you killed someone. Why would you think of volunteering something you don't know... 'I don't know who did it'?

 

[kay74]

(respectfully snipped and bolded by me)

I can't even start to imagine how this poor woman (Beverly) must have felt, laying on a hospital bed at age 31, with a terminal illness, her husband had just died suddenly of a heart attack, and leaving her 4 young children (ages 3, 4, 5 and 7 approx.) alone in the world.

Call it woman's or mother's instinct, but somehow she "knew" in her heart of BS's intentions.
Very tragic and so heartbreaking!
:tears: JMO MOO JMHO

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/01/31/16/4835D07700000578-5327391-image-a-13_1517415629971.jpg

It IS heartbreaking. I know a couple of them turned to drugs and I have worked with people who did this and they do not come from happy homes.

 

[kay74]

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...Toronto-15-Dec-2017-1&p=13817445#post13817445

"Their adoptive parents spent most of the money" was in the Globe and Mail at above link.

That is sad. Their mother must be turning over in her grave.

 

[kay74]

This is straight out of Patsy Ramsey land

"Did you kill Honey and Barry Sherman?"

"Absolutely not.. I had nothing to do with it.. I don't know who did it..."

No might have been more convincing. IMO. He wasn't asked if he knew who did it, but he had the need to keep talking, to distract from his unconvincing answer.

Mystery over, case closed for me. His turmoil is so evident, I do have sympathy for him, I feel they were wronged. But I do not and never will condone murder in any situation.

For one thing the Ramsys did NOT kill their daughter. Blame LE there for not investigating at all. They were punished for being punished. Please read the facts! I hope in this case, we see that KW did not do this.

 

[Sphinx]

However, BS first tricked them out of their inheritance and then he doled out money when he felt it was right. When the cousins figured out what he had done and they sued him for the 5% each of the shares they were due .BS took anything good he had done and took everything back.This didn't just affect the W children,it also would have had an affect on the W kids,children . I personally would not have done it. He took thier homes.....

We also don't know what the W kids would have done with the money. They would not have to be dependant on BS's whim to get money that IMO should have gone to the W kid's in the first place. That would have taken some stress away from them.

All JMO

I agree that given all that Barry had, he never should have taken their homes. I think he did set out to take over the company, and not give them their fair share. Then when he found out at least two of the older brothers had truly fallen on hard times ( drug addiction etc. ) he did a certain amount by giving them money for rehab, homes, cottages, etc. but this was probably really " peanuts " for Barry. Don't forget the Shermans were public figures in the Canadian, and Jewish Philanthropic, as well as Political worlds. In a very pragmatic way he may have just been protecting the Sherman name. It all backfired with the lawsuits started by " the orphans " . The fight got ugly, and Barry with all his money had the advantage. He could have been more benevolent, letting them have what he had already given them, and just walked away, but he, perhaps by nature, fought to win, like he did in the hundreds of Big Pharma lawsuits he waged over the years. The end result is that they all appear in a bad light, greedy, grasping, vengeful, fighting over money, but then, that is the way of the world. IMO

 

[Ritika]

(respectfully snipped and bolded by me)


JDG, Is Mrs. Barkin's name Carol?
I just Googled his name, and I'm not sure if this is the same Dr. Martin Barkin:


NorthWest Healthcare Properties REIT Mourns the Passing of Lead Independent Trustee Dr. Martin Barkin
https://www.newswire.ca/news-releas...ndent-trustee-dr-martin-barkin-670595103.html

Dr Martin Moishe Barkin Sunday January 21 2018
https://necrocanada.com/obituaries-2018/dr-martin-moishe-barkin-sunday-january-21-2018/

(there's mention of Tim, Jeffrey but no Kerry, so name could just be coincidence? Shiva at Old Forest Hill Road)

Yes that’s the right Barkin. What a coincidence that he has just passed away this month!!!

 

[Bravo]

Was there not info that Honey had facial injuries and blood not in pool area? Did this come from LE? or one of "those sources". Some days I skim to catch up. TIA