MistyWaters
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I don't believe their wrists were bound. Simple as that. Nobody, including the family's team actually saw their wrists, and nobody has described the extent of the injuries. All four wrists? Barry's wrists? Honey's wrists?Okay, say that 'A' conversation took place between BS and KW at a time when things were good between the two men, that BS spoke about this, AND that he wasn't joking, or otherwise just venting to another man-friend.... if what KW says IS true, AND was taken in the manner in which it was meant to be taken, BS still obviously didn't go through with it. December 2017 is how many years later, and we're to believe he endured a life of h3ll with HS all these years, until just when they were going off to celebrate the holiday season and he... planned it or snapped?
For me, having been married a number of years, and having seen other couples over the years, I CAN imagine a conversation having taken place, but in a different way than how KW presents it/understood it.
So I wonder how BS also managed to bind their wrists without leaving the binding material in the home after successful completion?
<snipped to reply> He admitted to embellishing, but many people do that, and as the lie detector was sprung on him, thats a bit of dirty pool in my opinion. Kerry Winter is outspoke, someone that doesn't give a crap anymore. Does that make him mentally ill? Id be very interested in hearing the results of the assessment.
It’s become one reason why charges can’t always be laid quickly, even if there is a strong suspect.
That one detective is still working fulltime on the case I think is encouraging.
It’s become one reason why charges can’t always be laid quickly, even if there is a strong suspect.
That one detective is still working fulltime on the case I think is encouraging.
Only the one doing paperwork and writing warrants. Not an investigator
They do refer to him as a 'detective', does that mean anything? His salary is above $100K/year.. not so unusual these days, but when you think about it, it's still a lot of money to be paying out to have even one dedicated officer full-time on any case.. and especially if no new tips or anything have come in.. I can imagine the others would become involved again in a flash if something came up, or if something were discovered from a past piece of info.Only the one doing paperwork and writing warrants. Not an investigator
KW’s “proof” of a M/S has already been debunked. He admitted to embellishing and fabricating his story and apparently his motive was to “hurt” the legacy of the murder victim. All that, not exactly what I’d consider a reliable source of unbiased information.
Then later media reports indicate mental health issues and the appointment of a litigation guardian. Owing to his unknown mental disability, until such time as KW does eventually pass a mental health assessment, at present he’s neither accountable nor liable for anything he says. So what is there to believe?
Barry Sherman's cousin fails lie detector test over allegation of plot to kill Honey Sherman | CBC News
“An angry and bitter cousin of Barry Sherman has failed a lie detector test after making unsubstantiated allegations that the former Apotex CEO was part of an aborted plot to kill his wife two decades ago.
Winter admits he could be seen as a suspect in the Sherman killings.
“I was betrayed. My cousin hurt me, and now I want to hurt him," Winter told The Fifth Estate.“.....
"I probably had reasons to lash out to do the dirty deed," he told The Fifth Estate's Bob McKeown. "I had nothing to do with it. I don't know who did it." ....”
.......Winter told Galianos on camera that he "embellished" part of the scheme. He also said he fabricated other parts of the story.
"He was lying, and the test results — the polygraphist — confirms that," said Michael Arntfield, a criminologist at Western University in London, Ont., who observed the polygraph test.
"I mean, why go through this whole song and dance? That's really the underlying question here."....”
I think the difference is that in the cases noted, there is a suspect/accused they were actively working on. To our knowledge, TPS hasn't yet cracked this case... therefore, what is to report, other than to disclose their investigative work, which is not normal for them to disclose. imo.I would say that it is normal procedure to give updates in high profile cases. Look at the MacArthur case, the Millard case, the Bernardo case, or any other front page worthy case. Police have given one statement regarding the Danforth Shooter and journalists have been very vocal that this is not normal behaviour, and that there is more to this story that is being kept from us.
With all due respect, it seems unfair to me to suggest one of our WS members is abusive as described above..
Kerry has always acknowledged his past and his mistakes and tells us he is clean and sober for 6 years now . Today he lives as a family man and holds down a responsible job . I would tend to want to congratulate him rather than kick him.
Another thing I admire about Kerry is that he posts in his own name for all the world to see.
I also admire his brutal honesty , he does not mix words , he tells us exactly how he feels and what he thinks.
As a result he takes a lot of flak from anonymous posters who themselves hide behind fake identities and fake avatars in order to throw grenades over the wall at him
And to analyze his mental health based on a comment from a former sister-in-law who lives a long ways away is abusive
What do you figure caused the 'recent' abrasion marks on the wrists of both BS and HS during the first autopsy, causing the pathologist to remove 'all of the skin' from each of the couple's wrists?I don't believe their wrists were bound. Simple as that. Nobody, including the family's team actually saw their wrists, and nobody has described the extent of the injuries. All four wrists? Barry's wrists? Honey's wrists?
Like I have said before, consider the source for this information. It obviously didn't come from TPS, so it could only have come from Greenspan's team whose only purpose, in my opinion, was to get this classified as a double murder. Answer me this, if Barry and Honey both had obvious marks that indicated they were both bound, why would they have worked this case as a murder suicide for so long? Also remember that, if my scenario is correct, there would have been a struggle between Barry & Hone prior to Honey's death. It is quite possible that some kind of abrasion was caused during this struggle.What do you figure caused the 'recent' abrasion marks on the wrists of both BS and HS during the first autopsy, causing the pathologist to remove 'all of the skin' from each of the couple's wrists?
Chiasson noticed that all of the skin had been removed from the wrists of both Barry and Honey. Present with Chiasson were three private investigators — Tom Klatt, Ray Zarb and Mike Davis — all former members of the Toronto Police homicide squad.
As Chiasson began the first autopsy, Dr. Michael Pickup entered the autopsy suite. With him, he brought a series of photographs taken at the death scene by Toronto police forensic identification officers, and also detailed photos of the bodies taken prior to the first autopsies that Pickup had performed.
The photos showed markings made by some type of rope or plastic tie that had encircled both Barry and Honey’s wrists and damaged the skin. The deduction Chiasson and the private detectives made was that their wrists had been bound prior to death. From the photos they could not determine if the hands were bound in front, or behind their backs. As to the biopsy that would determine the age of the skin abrasions on the wrists, the Star could not get answers. The photographs indicated they were recent abrasions, sources said.
Photos of the scene did not reveal any ropes or ties that could be responsible for the abrasions.
How the investigation into the deaths of Barry and Honey Sherman turned from murder-suicide to double homicide | The Star
Susan Gomes isn't even working this case "full time", which probably means she is not working the case at all. To me that sounds like they have absolutely nothing to go on. Nothing. No suspect, no car description, no fingerprint, footprint, or stray hair. This case is already dead, stop believing that the ominous silence may be a sign that police may be close to an arrest, it ain't going to happen.I think the difference is that in the cases noted, there is a suspect/accused they were actively working on. To our knowledge, TPS hasn't yet cracked this case... therefore, what is to report, other than to disclose their investigative work, which is not normal for them to disclose. imo.
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Kerry has always acknowledged his past and his mistakes and tells us he is clean and sober for 6 years now . Today he lives as a family man and holds down a responsible job . I would tend to want to congratulate him rather than kick him.
Another thing I admire about Kerry is that he posts in his own name for all the world to see.
I also admire his brutal honesty , he does not mix words , he tells us exactly how he feels and what he thinks.
As a result he takes a lot of flak from anonymous posters who themselves hide behind fake identities and fake avatars in order to throw grenades over the wall at him
And to analyze his mental health based on a comment from a former sister-in-law who lives a long ways away is abusive
Very well-said. Thank you for it.With all due respect, it seems unfair to me to suggest one of our WS members is abusive as described above.
Most all of us here hide behind fake names and avatars, as the anonymity of interactions here is part of the allure of this online forum. Conversely, it was KW's choice to be recognized as a verified insider on this thread, presumably for the express purpose OF voicing exactly how he feels and what he thinks. It is not just his 'former sister-in-law' who believes that KW's mental/emotional status may be suffering, it has been reported publicly in MSM that after undergoing a mental health assessment, he is now being represented by a legal litigation guardian; he was televised on national television openly stating that he had fantasies of wanting "to roll his head down the parking lot” when talking about the deceased, and it is a well-known fact that he has been in a legal battle for a decade with the deceased in an effort to sue for millions of dollars; it was reported in MSM that he failed a lie detector test when talking about his knowledge of BS wanting to take out a hit on his wife, and he was said to have admitted that he embellished his story.
Considering that WS runs with what is reported in MSM and not rumor from other sources, that seems to be a lot of credible information that has been contained in posts here.
Nobody suggests that KW shouldn't be congratulated on his accomplishments, or sympathized with for what happened to his parents during his childhood, however he has put himself on the line here, by spinning a tale of conspiracy from police, medical examiners, media, government officials, perhaps even the courts, in an effort to further his agenda to cast doubt on the official police stance of this having been a double homicide, when he has himself said he is a person of interest. People here can admire KW's 'brutal honesty', however making the determination of it *being* honesty is a personal opinion, just as some others might believe differently, or reserve their judgement. imo.
Susan Gomes isn't even working this case "full time", which probably means she is not working the case at all. To me that sounds like they have absolutely nothing to go on. Nothing. No suspect, no car description, no fingerprint, footprint, or stray hair. This case is already dead, stop believing that the ominous silence may be a sign that police may be close to an arrest, it ain't going to happen.
I realize that the source of the article was Team-Family. In that light, say we leave out Dr. Chiasson's opinions. However, for Pathologist Chiasson to make a claim that the first pathologist, Michael Pickup:Like I have said before, consider the source for this information. It obviously didn't come from TPS, so it could only have come from Greenspan's team whose only purpose, in my opinion, was to get this classified as a double murder. Answer me this, if Barry and Honey both had obvious marks that indicated they were both bound, why would they have worked this case as a murder suicide for so long? Also remember that, if my scenario is correct, there would have been a struggle between Barry & Hone prior to Honey's death. It is quite possible that some kind of abrasion was caused during this struggle.
Not to be a WS Narc, but it is inappropriate for one member to demand that other members do.. anything. Nobody said they believe the 'ominous silence' (even though we got a bit of an update just days ago from The Star's investigative reporter who has thankfully taken an interest in this case) may be a sign of imminent arrest. I too doubt if they have a viable suspect at this time. However, just like in all the other unsolved murder cases, this 'opinion' does not equate with that it must therefore be murder/suicide. Unfortunately, for whatever reasons, some cases take years to solve or to get that tip that breaks the case, but the method and/or cause of death doesn't change due to the time it takes to solve. That is my opinion, but I won't demand that other members agree with it.Susan Gomes isn't even working this case "full time", which probably means she is not working the case at all. To me that sounds like they have absolutely nothing to go on. Nothing. No suspect, no car description, no fingerprint, footprint, or stray hair. This case is already dead, stop believing that the ominous silence may be a sign that police may be close to an arrest, it ain't going to happen.
The jump from Susan Gomes not working the case fulltime, to not working the case at all, and without any substantiation to back it up, is a rather big one, isn't it? They might or they might not have 'nothing', or something, we don't know. I suppose we would have to bring the learned judge into this massive conspiracy theory if we suggest the judge lied when she was quoted to say:Susan Gomes isn't even working this case "full time", which probably means she is not working the case at all. To me that sounds like they have absolutely nothing to go on. Nothing. No suspect, no car description, no fingerprint, footprint, or stray hair. This case is already dead, stop believing that the ominous silence may be a sign that police may be close to an arrest, it ain't going to happen.