Very well played, dotr.![]()
Very well played, dotr.![]()
I accept that it may be a double murder as well. However, I despise the idea of independent investigations by wealth parties with an obvious partiality spreading their views through the media and through influential members of the political arena. The second we went down that road the case was tainted. I'll chose to believe what TPS originally believed before they started feeling the pressure.Andreww,
I feel I have to address your belief that the Sherman's death was a murder/suicide.
Simply I ask you for a moment to assume you were an investigator who discovered the bodies and responsible to decide what happened. Disregard all you know already from the media, police, the lawyers etc.
You find two bodies hanging from a railing and you do not know who they are, other than this is a wealthy area.
What is your first reaction to what is going on, based on the position of the dead bodies, the pool of blood, the fact they have their coats on, their arms are somewhat restrained by the coats.
Would you say 'aha a murder/suicide'? or would you do further investigation.
I think you would want to further investigate. It might even take you six weeks to make a final conclusion. At this point you are not 100% positive but based on the evidence you have discovered, little of which supports the murder/suicide theory, you would likely declare it a double murder.
Now I know on this forum, you have refuted everything that does not support the murder/suicide conclusion. I also believe, short of Barry coming back from the grave and declaring he did not kill Honey, nothing will change your mind. That's okay, we need dissenting opinions to be able to fortify the M/M theories.
Please understand that you should keep an open mind though. I accept that I may be wrong about the M/M scenario. Hopefully, we will know the truth soon.
Whether it's M/S or M/M, it's an asinine crime. A double-murderer is just as capable of committing such an asinine crime as a demented BS committing a murder-suicide, IMO.I accept that it may be a double murder as well. However, I despise the idea of independent investigations by wealth parties with an obvious partiality spreading their views through the media and through influential members of the political arena. The second we went down that road the case was tainted. I'll chose to believe what TPS originally believed before they started feeling the pressure.
Aside from that, I honestly think that if you take a step backwards and look at the details of this case through untainted eyes, if this is a double murder, it is the most asinine crime committed since JonBenet Ramsey was murdered way back when. None of it makes sense, and not even the most twisted criminal would do this. There are obvious elements of staging, so we don't know what is evidence and what isnt.
I think the message was more for Honey and Barry than anyone living, except maybe the perp(s) himself/themselves. I think leaving the victims in the basement showed the perp's disdain for the couple and their success. I think it symbolized for the perp(s) their defeat over the couple in removing them from their place "at the top" in business & society and bringing them to their lowest.Thanks Andreww,
For one thing we do not know what the TPS officially believed initially, we know only that some anonymous TPS sources thought it was M/S. Most times old people are found dead together it is M/S and that is why a number people, including police officers believed this scenario. Criminals know this as well.
Just because something does not make sense to you or I, does not mean that it did not occur. Finally, criminals often act in twisted and in nonsensical ways that often makes no sense to regular people. That is why some criminals are so hard to catch.
From the outset I believed the bodies were staged to send a message to somebody. What the message was, is known both to the sender and the recipients. When the TPS decode/understand the message, and whom it was intended for, they will likely find the perpetrators of this crime.
I believe the significant parts of the message are related to:
1) Location of the bodies in the house (why move them to basement pool area)
2) Placement of bodies relative to each other (plus placement of arms and legs, facing in a particular direction)
3) Type of execution (why ligature strangulation, then apparent hanging)
4) Apparel of victims (outdoor clothes)
Sleuthers here is a chance to think outside the box, and come up with a cryptographers-type analysis of the message. When the mob kills an informant, they often cut out the victim's tongue as a warning to others. I believe the staging of the Sherman's is telling us something.
Thanks Andreww,
For one thing we do not know what the TPS officially believed initially, we know only that some anonymous TPS sources thought it was M/S. Most times old people are found dead together it is M/S and that is why a number people, including police officers believed this scenario. Criminals know this as well.
Just because something does not make sense to you or I, does not mean that it did not occur. Finally, criminals often act in twisted and in nonsensical ways that often makes no sense to regular people. That is why some criminals are so hard to catch.
From the outset I believed the bodies were staged to send a message to somebody. What the message was, is known both to the sender and the recipients. When the TPS decode/understand the message, and whom it was intended for, they will likely find the perpetrators of this crime.
I believe the significant parts of the message are related to:
1) Location of the bodies in the house (why move them to basement pool area)
2) Placement of bodies relative to each other (plus placement of arms and legs, facing in a particular direction)
3) Type of execution (why ligature strangulation, then apparent hanging)
4) Apparel of victims (outdoor clothes)
Sleuthers here is a chance to think outside the box, and come up with a cryptographers-type analysis of the message. When the mob kills an informant, they often cut out the victim's tongue as a warning to others. I believe the staging of the Sherman's is telling us something.
Good point. I'd forgotten the discussion about BS entering through the garage. But, HS was probably already in the pool area (isn't that where the blood was found?) long before BS arrived, so the pool area was likely already part of the plan. Maybe the killer anticipated BS entering through the garage?Re placement of the bodies. Barry’s car was in the garage, and it therefore makes most sense that he entered the house from the garage into the basement. He was likely attacked as he entered. Leaving him in the basement meant the killers didn’t have to carry him upstairs. Honeys car was in the driveway and I infer she likely entered the house on the main floor via the front door. Early reports indicated she may have been killed somewhere other than the pool area and her body moved to the pool area. Or they could have made her go to the pool area when alive and killed her there, with Barry. I believe the basement was chosen because Barry was already there. Imo
Just a tip to other posters, if you quote someone and their posts get pulled, so do yours. This totally makes sense, as they are removing something but I lost a few good posts due to this the other day. Now, I won't quote but just refer to the poster by name. Just an FYI.
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I believe if a post gets deleted, it loses its number, and the next post becomes that same number, so could be confusing to refer back to a post number which by then, has become a different post altogether. jmo.Human, all of the posts are numbered, by the Like button. I guess one can refer to the post number? If it disappears, there's just a number that says nothing.
Or it could be their faulty perception of being cheated or not getting their due from Barry and Honey