Yes you are right I noticed that the other day also.I have not read anything about it also but in KD's drawing of the crime scene you can see the knots are different. Sorry i don't have access to that right now.
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Yes you are right I noticed that the other day also.I have not read anything about it also but in KD's drawing of the crime scene you can see the knots are different. Sorry i don't have access to that right now.
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If the killer(s) made Barry walk to the place where he was strangled , with perhaps a large zip tie around his neck, which they removed and took with them, after killing him, it would have made it easier to handle his body. The second coroner also stated that their hands had been bound, and the first coroner must have suspected as much, because he saved the skin from the wrists. Likely they were both forced to walk a certain distance with their hands bound. Also, I suspect that maybe Honey's body was moved into the final position by dragging it, as the scuff mark evidence suggests. It would be interesting to know if they found any scuff marks in the carpet upstairs, or on the stairs. If two killers were in the house when she was killed, one would think they could carry the body. The drag marks suggest to me that perhaps there was only one killer. The sight of Honey's body would have been terrifying, and likely would have made Barry harder to control, but maybe he did have to step over her body. How awful, unless they put a hood over his head, and just told him to step over something. There was a small pool of blood under Honey's body. I think it was speculated that it could have been blood from her facial injuries. In order for that to have time to run down, and pool, I think she must have been killed first, and was hung before Barry was killed. The killer(s) did not want to waste any time, and wanted to be out of the house as soon as possible. We do not know how long the NW was apparently in the house, but I think KD said it was about an hour. IMOVery interesting sequence of probable events. Since BS was positioned further back in the pool railing area, somehow his body must have been placed and hung there first before HS's body was. Otherwise, BS's body would have had to have been somehow difficultly moved over HS's body in such a narrow spot. Also, given that it was believed that HS was killed first, it would appear that the bodies may have been moved there after BS was also killed with BS's body being brought there and placed there first.
If the killer(s) made Barry walk to the place where he was strangled , with perhaps a large zip tie around his neck, which they removed and took with them, after killing him, it would have made it easier to handle his body. The second coroner also stated that their hands had been bound, and the first coroner must have suspected as much, because he saved the skin from the wrists. Likely they were both forced to walk a certain distance with their hands bound. Also, I suspect that maybe Honey's body was moved into the final position by dragging it, as the scuff mark evidence suggests. It would be interesting to know if they found any scuff marks in the carpet upstairs, or on the stairs. If two killers were in the house when she was killed, one would think they could carry the body. The drag marks suggest to me that perhaps there was only one killer. The sight of Honey's body would have been terrifying, and likely would have made Barry harder to control, but maybe he did have to step over her body. How awful, unless they put a hood over his head, and just told him to step over something. There was a small pool of blood under Honey's body. I think it was speculated that it could have been blood from her facial injuries. In order for that to have time to run down, and pool, I think she must have been killed first, and was hung before Barry was killed. The killer(s) did not want to waste any time, and wanted to be out of the house as soon as possible. We do not know how long the NW was apparently in the house, but I think KD said it was about an hour. IMO
I may be wrong but i thought at the press conference the police said they died between 9 pm and midnight.You hit on something I hadn’t considered. Why possibly drag Honey if there was more than one person? I cannot figure out the staging or logic in the steps the killer or killers took in the home. I just see puzzle pieces.
Especially spending more time than necessary if KD is right the WM left the home around 10:00pm.
I may be wrong but i thought at the press conference the police said they died between 9 pm and midnight.
Perhaps, the killer or killers went to great efforts to stage the scene to look like a murder/suicide and this 'staging' included fabricating trace evidence that made it look like Honey had been dragged while suppressing any evidence of the movements of the killer or killers and/or Barry Sherman. This amplifies why any scuff and drag marks purported to be found at the scene remain factually inconclusive.You hit on something I hadn’t considered. Why possibly drag Honey if there was more than one person? I cannot figure out the staging or logic in the steps the killer or killers took in the home. I just see puzzle pieces.
Especially spending more time than necessary if KD is right the WM left the home around 10:00pm.
That 9 PM - midnight estimation is likely based on the analysis of the ADT Security Times.I may be wrong but i thought at the press conference the police said they died between 9 pm and midnight.
Perhaps, the killer or killers went to great efforts to stage the scene to look like a murder/suicide and this 'staging' included fabricating trace evidence that made it look like Honey had been dragged while suppressing any evidence of the movements of the killer or killers and/or Barry Sherman. This amplifies why any scuff and drag marks purported to be found at the scene remain factually inconclusive.
Why weren't blood stains discovered along the exact way of the drag marks, if HS had injuries to her face and if the bleeding was enough to build a pool at the last place, her head was positioned (before putting up her body to the railing)? Her clothing in front was clean, as far as I remember, so she couldn't have been bleeding in a sitting position but before sitting.If the killer(s) made Barry walk to the place where he was strangled , with perhaps a large zip tie around his neck, which they removed and took with them, after killing him, it would have made it easier to handle his body. The second coroner also stated that their hands had been bound, and the first coroner must have suspected as much, because he saved the skin from the wrists. Likely they were both forced to walk a certain distance with their hands bound. Also, I suspect that maybe Honey's body was moved into the final position by dragging it, as the scuff mark evidence suggests. It would be interesting to know if they found any scuff marks in the carpet upstairs, or on the stairs. If two killers were in the house when she was killed, one would think they could carry the body. The drag marks suggest to me that perhaps there was only one killer. The sight of Honey's body would have been terrifying, and likely would have made Barry harder to control, but maybe he did have to step over her body. How awful, unless they put a hood over his head, and just told him to step over something. There was a small pool of blood under Honey's body. I think it was speculated that it could have been blood from her facial injuries. In order for that to have time to run down, and pool, I think she must have been killed first, and was hung before Barry was killed. The killer(s) did not want to waste any time, and wanted to be out of the house as soon as possible. We do not know how long the NW was apparently in the house, but I think KD said it was about an hour. IMO
Pure speculation on my part however I have always wondered if they were posed so the killers could take a photo or a video to provide to the person(s) who hired them - like “I want to hear them say they are sorry”. Alternately, could it be possible that the Shermans were propped up alive and subjected to some sort of questioning? It has been said many times that if we could solve the “why” behind the staging, we’d be well on the way to solving who did this.FWIW- I like reading theories about the crime, but I personally believe they should be based on what has been reported by respected media or in the court documents. I think we do that 99.9% of the time here, imo.
I can recall and assemble details about the case but when it comes to walking in the killer’s shoes I’m unable to. Why the pool room? Why in that manner? Why spend extra time in the home if your goal is to kill them and get away with it? Who does something like this? Why at all?
Pool room because it was furthest away from the general living area or any area used by people living or working in the house. There would be a longer time before they were found.FWIW- I like reading theories about the crime, but I personally believe they should be based on what has been reported by respected media or in the court documents. I think we do that 99.9% of the time here, imo.
I can recall and assemble details about the case but when it comes to walking in the killer’s shoes I’m unable to. Why the pool room? Why in that manner? Why spend extra time in the home if your goal is to kill them and get away with it? Who does something like this? Why at all?
Pure speculation on my part however I have always wondered if they were posed so the killers could take a photo or a video to provide to the person(s) who hired them - like “I want to hear them say they are sorry”. Alternately, could it be possible that the Shermans were propped up alive and subjected to some sort of questioning? It has been said many times that if we could solve the “why” behind the staging, we’d be well on the way to solving who did this.
Why weren't blood stains discovered along the exact way of the drag marks, if HS had injuries to her face and if the bleeding was enough to build a pool at the last place, her head was positioned (before putting up her body to the railing)? Her clothing in front was clean, as far as I remember, so she couldn't have been bleeding in a sitting position but before sitting.
To be ironic: how considerate of the killer using the only uncleaned room in the home (despite showings to potencial buyers) for the double-murder of the poor owners.
I agree. The 'why place the Sherman's in the pool room' is most interesting question. One would think if you wanted to kill two people and have it look like a murder-suicide, having them poisoned together or shot with a gun would be more believable. Police would arrive, see what most of us was a typical murder suicide scene and likely say, 'case closed'.FWIW- I like reading theories about the crime, but I personally believe they should be based on what has been reported by respected media or in the court documents. I think we do that 99.9% of the time here, imo.
I can recall and assemble details about the case but when it comes to walking in the killer’s shoes I’m unable to. Why the pool room? Why in that manner? Why spend extra time in the home if your goal is to kill them and get away with it? Who does something like this? Why at all?
Or a room where police would find a lot of biological evidence that could be explained away?If it was someone close to them maybe they picked a room where the police wouldn’t find any biological evidence of them.