CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #23

[Cedars]

bbm
.... if it hadn't been deleted by a tech savvy killer.

I'm surprised this imagined killer confined themselves just to the murder of this couple. Why haven't they taken out Bill Gates, Putin, etc? Or, at least, turned the tables on whomever ordered the hit, and ended up with all the money themselves!

JMO

 

[Cedars]

In summary, Honey and Barry were murdered, and only Barry's Will existed as far as the estate was concerned.
If one believes the 'follow the money' theory. It is the heirs who got the money as the result of the Sherman's deaths.
If you are looking for a motive, that could be one.

If one believes Honey had a Will which would have deprived the heirs of some financial benefits, then you could say the 'follow the money' motive is even stronger, and it also points to the heirs.

Historically, Money and Power are often reasons for murder.

I think, if the goal was to inherit all the multiple billions in family wealth asap, then IMO murdering Honey would just be about removing her from standing in the way of selling the company, rather than caring about the, possibly, one or two million she might have promised to anyone in her personal will.

JMO

ETA - Or perhaps she might have knowledge/suspicions of who had killed Barry, if he was the sole target.

 

[fadedglitter]

There was absolutely privileged information on Honey’s devices. The ITOs specifically describe categories of records the police did not review because they were privileged.

 

[dotr]

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''The following two passages, taken from an affidavit written one month after the deaths of Barry and Honey Sherman, outline just some of the constraints placed on the Toronto Police Service by Apotex’s lawyers:

The TPS will provide any documents that they wish to seize to Goodmans, who will review them to identify any documents or portions thereof that may be subject to a legal privilege. Documents that are not so identified by Goodmans, and any portions of documents that are not so identified and that can reasonably be extracted on site, will be provided to the TPS by Goodmans and may be seized in accordance with the terms of this search warrant. (page 73)

Following its privilege review, Goodmans will provide in a secure manner copies of any non-privileged documents and portions thereof, and a copy of the privilege log, to Det. Brandon Price or his designate at the TPS to be used in the police investigation. Goodmans or the Experts will retain in its secure possession the copies of any privileged documents and portions thereof that are not otherwise returned to the TPS. No person shall be entitled to access the copies of privileged documents or portions thereof retained in Goodmans’ or the Experts’ possession without a Court Order or, in the case of access by TPS, the consent of the potential privilege holder. (page 74)

 

[ldlager]

I agree with this is general concepts. Another consideration is that a practical lawyer may err on the side of conservative, if he or she felt that he/she may be sued by very deep pockets, for example. MOO.

Potentially especially relevant comment in this case!

 

[Cedars]

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''The following two passages, taken from an affidavit written one month after the deaths of Barry and Honey Sherman, outline just some of the constraints placed on the Toronto Police Service by Apotex’s lawyers:

However, there is no indication those quotes refer to documents on Honey's phone.

The issue came up when police wanted to search Barry's office and his computer.
"Legal wrangling over confidential drug information kept homicide detectives from getting access to Barry Sherman’s office for one month after the murders."
"Cops did not access Apotex founder Barry Sherman’s office until four weeks after the murders of Sherman and his wife Honey

I did documents for a living, the issue of who has custody and control of documents - in the case of Barry's office it was Apotex- as well as, whether documents are related to Apotex business, vs are private to a person who didn't even work for them, makes a critical difference in what that language is referring to.

JMO

 

[WINDSOR]

I agree with this is general concepts. Another consideration is that a practical lawyer may err on the side of conservative, if he or she felt that he/she may be sued by very deep pockets, for example. MOO.

The fear regarding being sued by 'deep pockets' client would not be a concern, if the client is dead, as in Honey's case.

If I as a lawyer, which I am not, violated Honey's privilege protections, it would be extremely difficult for Honey to sue me, but I could be in trouble with the Law Society. That is why I agree with Hexicon who said "I would seek an advisory opinion from my bar association on whether/what I could disclose."


We have been speaking very much in the hypothetical world, with 'what ifs' and 'but could haves''.
Such as what if Honey had a new Will, and it could have added new heirs, and what if it removed current ones. The Killers could have seized that new Will and destroyed it. This could have happened.

However it would point further suspicion onto the existing heirs, who actually did receive the estate and had a great motivation to kill Honey and Barry.

In either scenario, Will or no Will for Honey, the same people are under suspicion.
MOO

 

[Kerry Winter]

I wonder if Kevin Donovan has given up. He had said he would go to court every 6 months if I remember correctly, and he last wrote an article about the case in December.

I find it rather odd that I agreed to allow Kevin to have the judge release the Q+A the lasted over 3 hrs with Detective B. Price at 31 division. I believe the transcript would be most interesting! Yet….he’s not taken this opportunity. I make a number of accusations, state quite a few unknown facts at that time and generally stick my thumbs in Price’s eyes. There was no doubt when l left the police station that this entire investigation was a sham and he knew Barry killed her and hung himself. I believe the entire Websleuths community would find my answers, provocations and commentary most interesting!

 

[J Sleuth]

I find it rather odd that I agreed to allow Kevin to have the judge release the Q+A the lasted over 3 hrs with Detective B. Price at 31 division. I believe the transcript would be most interesting! Yet….he’s not taken this opportunity. I make a number of accusations, state quite a few unknown facts at that time and generally stick my thumbs in Price’s eyes. There was no doubt when l left the police station that this entire investigation was a sham and he knew Barry killed her and hung himself. I believe the entire Websleuths community would find my answers, provocations and commentary most interesting!

I appreciate your comments and perspective. This is a complicated case and I have many suspects in mind. BS remains one of my many suspects.

 

[FromGermany1]

I find it rather odd that I agreed to allow Kevin to have the judge release the Q+A the lasted over 3 hrs with Detective B. Price at 31 division. I believe the transcript would be most interesting! Yet….he’s not taken this opportunity. I make a number of accusations, state quite a few unknown facts at that time and generally stick my thumbs in Price’s eyes. There was no doubt when l left the police station that this entire investigation was a sham and he knew Barry killed her and hung himself. I believe the entire Websleuths community would find my answers, provocations and commentary most interesting!

It would make the most sense, if you were right and even from the start! MOO

 

[ldlager]

I find it rather odd that I agreed to allow Kevin to have the judge release the Q+A the lasted over 3 hrs with Detective B. Price at 31 division. I believe the transcript would be most interesting! Yet….he’s not taken this opportunity. I make a number of accusations, state quite a few unknown facts at that time and generally stick my thumbs in Price’s eyes. There was no doubt when l left the police station that this entire investigation was a sham and he knew Barry killed her and hung himself. I believe the entire Websleuths community would find my answers, provocations and commentary most interesting!

KW why don’t you post your accusations and unknown facts here for fellow Websleuthers to assess?

 

[WINDSOR]

Kerry with all due respect, if Barry killed Honey and then himself, as you insist, please explain the role of the Night Walker in all of this.
Was the Night Walker an assistant to Barry? Who is he, and how did he get the role? Or are you implying that the Night Walker was never at Barry's home?

Barry seemed to believe whatever he did was the right thing, are you saying Barry killed Honey in rage and was overcome with remorse, then contacted the Walking Man to assist him?

Since Barry knew he was smarter than everybody, and he loved to litigate and win. Can you explain why Barry did not just stage Honey's death as an accident, he had lots of time. Even if Barry was charged with a crime, Barry had the resources to to win in court. He certainly was not a man afraid of a legal fight.

Finally for Barry to kill Honey in a moment of rage, it goes against all Barry's previous behaviors. Can you give details where Barry was not able to keep his emotions in check? Where Barry was impulsive and reckless? Or where Barry did not think things out carefully and in detail?

 

[MerlinFalcon]

Kerry with all due respect, if Barry killed Honey and then himself, as you insist, please explain the role of the Night Walker in all of this.
Was the Night Walker an assistant to Barry? Who is he, and how did he get the role? Or are you implying that the Night Walker was never at Barry's home?

Barry seemed to believe whatever he did was the right thing, are you saying Barry killed Honey in rage and was overcome with remorse, then contacted the Walking Man to assist him?

Since Barry knew he was smarter than everybody, and he loved to litigate and win. Can you explain why Barry did not just stage Honey's death as an accident, he had lots of time. Even if Barry was charged with a crime, Barry had the resources to to win in court. He certainly was not a man afraid of a legal fight.

Finally for Barry to kill Honey in a moment of rage, it goes against all Barry's previous behaviors. Can you give details where Barry was not able to keep his emotions in check? Where Barry was impulsive and reckless? Or where Barry did not think things out carefully and in detail?

And explain the wrist binding marks on both of their wrists. The marks were there but the bindings weren't found.

Also, how did he kill himself? It's not possible from the position he was found. If he had been leaning forward, maybe.

 

[ldlager]

And explain the wrist binding marks on both of their wrists. The marks were there but the bindings weren't found.

Also, how did he kill himself? It's not possible from the position he was found. If he had been leaning forward, maybe.

I believe in the past KW has stated his belief that BS had recruited a third person to assist in staging the final scene. Sounds like Hollywood to me

 

[casesensitive]

I believe in the past KW has stated his belief that BS had recruited a third person to assist in staging the final scene. Sounds like Hollywood to me

So, Kerry do you think it happened kind of like this?

BS: (phone call). Hi, I need your help.

NW: OK, whassup?

BS: I just killed Honey. I need you to come over and stage the scene as a murder/suicide.

NW: WTF? You mean you want me to kill you?

BS: Yes.

NW: How do I get paid if you're dead?

BS: Trust me, you will get paid if you do a good job at staging.

BS: (from heaven) You idiot, you laid my gloves and house inspection at the back garage door. You put Honey's phone in the front hall bathroom. Your idea of tying our wrists in zip ties left marks. I told you not to tie my wrists. And you took the bloody ties with you! You didn't position my body right after you killed me so they knew the belt didn't strangle me.

NW: Damn, does that mean I'm not getting paid?

 

[ldlager]

So, Kerry do you think it happened kind of like this?

BS: (phone call). Hi, I need your help.

NW: OK, whassup?

BS: I just killed Honey. I need you to come over and stage the scene as a murder/suicide.

NW: WTF? You mean you want me to kill you?

BS: Yes.

NW: How do I get paid if you're dead?

BS: Trust me, you will get paid if you do a good job at staging.

BS: (from heaven) You idiot, you laid my gloves and house inspection at the back garage door. You put Honey's phone in the front hall bathroom. Your idea of tying our wrists in zip ties left marks. I told you not to tie my wrists. And you took the bloody ties with you! You didn't position my body right after you killed me so they knew the belt didn't strangle me.

NW: Damn, does that mean I'm not getting paid?

lol.
I think KW would say that BS wanted the scene to be staged to appear as a double homicide, not a M/S.

 

[Luna20]

lol.
I think KW would say that BS wanted the scene to be staged to appear as a double homicide, not a M/S.

Who is KW? I haven’t been on the thread for a while.

 

[dotr]

Who is KW? I haven’t been on the thread for a while.

KW is Kerry Winter, Barry S's cousin and also a verified Ws member.

https://l-express.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Winter-K.-arguments_Suitable-for-Posting.pdf

 

[FromGermany1]

So, Kerry do you think it happened kind of like this?

BS: (phone call). Hi, I need your help.

NW: OK, whassup?

BS: I just killed Honey. I need you to come over and stage the scene as a murder/suicide.

NW: WTF? You mean you want me to kill you?

BS: Yes.

NW: How do I get paid if you're dead?

BS: Trust me, you will get paid if you do a good job at staging.

BS: (from heaven) You idiot, you laid my gloves and house inspection at the back garage door. You put Honey's phone in the front hall bathroom. Your idea of tying our wrists in zip ties left marks. I told you not to tie my wrists. And you took the bloody ties with you! You didn't position my body right after you killed me so they knew the belt didn't strangle me.

NW: Damn, does that mean I'm not getting paid?

Maybe, the payment for the job, to be responsible for the staging after M/S, was made already years before in form of an innocuous big gift by Barry to a close person, the gift never to be indentified as such a payment. Maybe, Barry knew, one day he would be 100% capable of murdering his own spouse, if the triggering by Honey would reach it's point, which couldn't be tolerated any more by him. Maybe, BS paid years ago and the two men determined a code, sent by BS, which would mean to the "helper": Goodbye forever! Please stage the scene as we agreed.

Many "maybe", but I imagine it as manageable by two very clever people, who had both an interest in the all-over reputation. MOO

 

[WINDSOR]

I find it rather odd that I agreed to allow Kevin to have the judge release the Q+A the lasted over 3 hrs with Detective B. Price at 31 division. I believe the transcript would be most interesting! Yet….he’s not taken this opportunity. I make a number of accusations, state quite a few unknown facts at that time and generally stick my thumbs in Price’s eyes. There was no doubt when l left the police station that this entire investigation was a sham and he knew Barry killed her and hung himself. I believe the entire Websleuths community would find my answers, provocations and commentary most interesting!

Kerry, it has been almost a week since you posted the opinion above. A number of WS's have asked questions and made comments. I am sure, like me, they would appreciate any further comments, clarifications or answers to their questions.
I do think, when one makes accusations of a 'sham' investigation, and a possible cover-up, one should be prepared to defend your opinion with some sort of logic, motive or corroboration.
IMO