CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #23

[atomicsciencegal]

Sep 3 2024!
By Kevin DonovanChief Investigative Reporter

‘You have been abusive to me for over 40 years’: Did Barry and Honey Sherman’s toxic emails lead police to believe murder-suicide?

Toronto police discovered emails between Barry and Honey Sherman where Barry accused Honey of being abusive to both him and their children for decades

www.thestar.com

Does anyone have a gift article or link to the full article? It’s paywalled.

Edit : Thank you friends. Interesting article for sure.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

No idea about PI obligations. Might be online somewhere.

PI are hired investigators, they are regular citizens and have no legal rights like police or lawyers. However a PI is bound by the same confidentiality laws as they follow.

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[Bobbi Pearl]

Thanks for the info.
My original question related to the obligations of the PI team. Do they have to disclose potential evidence to either the lawyer that engaged them; or to the police?

My understanding is, Yes they do.

 

[ldlager]

I believe Honey (possibly Barry too) had been to a family lawyer to amend a will ? after the birth of a new grandchild.

If Torkin Manes is at Yonge/St Clair, it is probably him she saw.

They aren’t there. They are at Richmond and Yonge.
The lawyer at St Clair is the same one that is a friend and was involved with ownership of the Florida condo

 

[dotr]

Updated 1 hr ago

‘You have been abusive to me for over 40 years’: Did Barry and Honey Sherman’s toxic emails lead police to believe murder-suicide?

Toronto police discovered emails between Barry and Honey Sherman where Barry accused Honey of being abusive to both him and their children for decades

www.thestar.com

The plastic bag.. is one of the creepier details in today's TS article, imo.
Apparently LE suspected that the mottling on HS's face, might be the result of having a plastic bag put on her face to prevent blood from getting on the killer's clothing and areas in the house.

Also, LE thought that HS was murdered on the main floor and moved to the basement.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Updated 1 hr ago

‘You have been abusive to me for over 40 years’: Did Barry and Honey Sherman’s toxic emails lead police to believe murder-suicide?

Toronto police discovered emails between Barry and Honey Sherman where Barry accused Honey of being abusive to both him and their children for decades

www.thestar.com

The plastic bag.. is one of the creepier details in today's TS article, imo.
Apparently LE suspected that the mottling on HS's face, might be the result of having a plastic bag put on her face to prevent blood from getting on the killer's clothing and areas in the house.

Also, LE thought that HS was murdered on the main floor and moved to the basement.

There was one blood smear on the railing, according to KD’s previous articles. He saw the crime scene photos. So the killer took the wrist bindings and possibly a plastic bag that had been placed on Honey’s face.
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[MerlinFalcon]

What if Barry hired someone to kill Honey but then the killer wanted to erase Barry as a witness and killed him, too?

 

[Lexiintoronto]

What if Barry hired someone to kill Honey but then the killer wanted to erase Barry as a witness and killed him, too?

Or the killer thought that murdering Honey would solve some of Barry’s problems. When Barry arrived home he was horrified instead of grateful. So he killed Barry as well.

Long stretch on my part, I know. The police said both were targeted.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

Re: the Star article, I think it’s sad that this information about the Shermans’ issues is being made public. This might explain why Honey was in contact with Torkin Manes (who practice family law). Was a separation coming? Did the kids know this? Separation would have most likely left Honey with a lot more than $500 million. She likely would have theoretically been transferred roughly half the accumulated wealth between the two of them, to control as she wished, by way of propety equalization, unless they agreed otherwise.

Things like this make me never want to email or text anything! It does make me feel uneasy reading about this and it shows how much dysfunction there was in that household. I had always been suspicious of how the kids felt about Honey and to know that Barry felt the same way makes it sound like a very unhealthy home.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Things like this make me never want to email or text anything! It does make me feel uneasy reading about this and it shows how much dysfunction there was in that household. I had always been suspicious of how the kids felt about Honey and to know that Barry felt the same way makes it sound like a very unhealthy home.

I hope I’m able to throw my phone and laptop into the Atlantic if I know I’m about to die.

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I’m going to update the timeline, this is part of it with today’s news:

October, 2017, Barry’s cousins, Winter/Barkin, file an appeal to the lawsuit they lost in September, 2017.

-November 6, 2017. Honey and Barry had a serious email exchange about the state of their marriage. A 2024 Star article includes part of that email exchange between them:
“In an email exchange shortly before their deaths, Barry accuses Honey of being “abusive” to him for their entire relationship. And abusive to their four children.

“You have been abusive to me for over 40 years,” Barry wrote in an email to Honey on Nov. 6, 2017, five weeks before the murders. “You were also persistently abusive to the kids.””

- November 16, 2017, Barry sends an email to Jonathon and Adam requesting repayment of $50-60 million. (Barry previously commented in an email that Jonathon’s ‘hostility persists’, and also mentioned Jonathon’s lack of involvement with Apotex.)

-November 28, 2017, height of disagreement between Barry/Adam & Jonathon. Adam requests money from Sherfam, cc’ing Barry, writing that Barry approved the amounts. Barry says no, that he and Jonathon need to return of $50-60 million ASAP. Adam agrees, but requests millions to cover ‘cash needs’ for December 15th, 2017, and January 15th, 2017. Barry gives Sherfam the approval for the requested funds.

-November 30, or December 1, Jonathon and his husband go to Japan on vacation. Jonathon later tells the Star’s Kevin Donovan that he was learning and investing in crypto currency while there. Jonathon admittedly did nothing to repay Barry as promised.

-December 6, 2017, an Ontario Superior Court judge orders Barry’s cousins, Winter/Barkin, to pay Barry $300,000 in legal fees related to the case they lost in September, 2017.

-Approximately December 7, 2017, Barry pays $311,609 to a US company for Jonathon’s surrogate’s fees.

-December 12, 2017, daytime, Honey Sherman uncharacteristically misses a meeting at the Baycrest Centre Foundation, as she was ‘dealing with some stuff’.

-December 12, 2017, evening, Jonathon and his husband return home from Japan.

-December 13, 2017, Kerry Winter, (later recounting this to Kevin Donovan), tells a person that he fears that his brother Jeffrey may kill Barry. (KD’s book, page 152, & KW’s media interviews).

-December 13, 2017 was the last day the Shermans were seen alive. This information is from Kevin Donovan’s book, and articles linked below.…
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The lawsuit with the cousins was out of the way. In the fall Barry, emailed FDA and told him he was going to stop funding him because he only reported losses. It sounds like Barry was shifting away from people that were just depleting him and his resources. Separating from toxic people, imo.

In the last several months, someone close to the case leaked FDA & Mary S. emails to Bloomberg and Town & Country. KD wrote that he has a volume of them. Who leaked them? They’re obviously still fighting to see this case solved. (Jack? Alex K.? Jonathon?) The lull in articles in the last few months may have motivated them to leak new information, imo.

Funny that KW brought up the subject of m/s here recently and KD’s article today helps to explain why the police investigated the m/s theory for as long as they did.

 

[kiwi50]

Is anyone able to give a few more details on the toxic email exchanged between Honey and Barry.
Sometimes it’s hard following this case from anothercountry.

 

[WINDSOR]

What if Barry hired someone to kill Honey but then the killer wanted to erase Barry as a witness and killed him, too?

If Barry was dead, who would pay the killer, definitely not Barry!
Barry was not the sort of man who would pay the full amount until the job was completed.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

If Barry was dead, who would pay the killer, definitely not Barry!
Barry was not the sort of man who would pay the full amount until the job was completed.

Apparently I would make a crappy killer!!

 

[dotr]

Sep 5 '24

Key photos reveal forensic timeline of billionaire couple Barry and Honey Sherman’s murders

Police photos reveal that Honey Sherman had time to put down gift bags before she was attacked

www.thestar.com

Barry and Honey Sherman’s kitchen on the day their bodies were discovered.

ETA
Updated 15 hrs ago
Dec. 14, 2023

Police investigating Barry and Honey Sherman’s murders accepted odd limits sought by executors

How the family business empire decided what police could and could not see in the wake of the mysterious double murder.

www.thestar.com

Updated 15 hrs ago
Dec. 15, 2023

Barry and Honey Sherman murder probe was kept away from ties to offshore banking and to Edmonton Oilers’ owner

Rexall Drugs, brewing beer, making movies and more had at least tangential connections to Barry Sherman’s business empire. The police hadn’t been told about all of it.

www.thestar.com

 

[ldlager]

Sep 5 '24

Key photos reveal forensic timeline of billionaire couple Barry and Honey Sherman’s murders

Police photos reveal that Honey Sherman had time to put down gift bags before she was attacked

www.thestar.com

View attachment 529133
Barry and Honey Sherman’s kitchen on the day their bodies were discovered.

ETA
Updated 15 hrs ago
Dec. 14, 2023

Police investigating Barry and Honey Sherman’s murders accepted odd limits sought by executors

How the family business empire decided what police could and could not see in the wake of the mysterious double murder.

www.thestar.com

Updated 15 hrs ago
Dec. 15, 2023

Barry and Honey Sherman murder probe was kept away from ties to offshore banking and to Edmonton Oilers’ owner

Rexall Drugs, brewing beer, making movies and more had at least tangential connections to Barry Sherman’s business empire. The police hadn’t been told about all of it.

www.thestar.com

“… At 5 p.m., three home builders arrived for a meeting at Apotex to discuss plans for the $30 million Forest Hill mansion Barry and Honey were building not far from their daughter and grandchildren and close to where Barry had grown up. Honey arrived shortly after 5 p.m. and the meeting lasted until 6:15 p.m. Honey then left in her champagne-coloured Lexus SUV and the builders left in their own vehicle. Barry, an unabashed workaholic, stayed at the office. One of the builders later told police that Barry, who usually stayed at Apotex until 10 p.m., made a comment to the builders in the meeting that he had to leave early that day. The builder told police he couldn’t recall Barry’s reason…”

This has always seemed incongruous to me. There were 3 “builders” in attendance at the meeting at Apotex that day. The reporting has always been (quoting from above) “One of the builders later told police that Barry, who usually stayed at Apotex until 10 p.m., made a comment to the builders in the meeting that he had to leave early that day. The builder told police he couldn’t recall Barry’s reason…”

So we know that BS told ALL the builders in attendance that he had to leave early that day. Yet reporting on this meeting has consistently said that “the builder” told police he couldn't recall Barry’s reason.” for leaving early. Why is a single builder always referred to? There were 3 builders in attendance, and according to the reporting, they ALL heard from BS why he had to leave early. Did LE only interview one builder of the 3? That would show complete incompetence IMO. If all 3 were interviewed, surely one of them would remember why BS said he had to leave early that day. It is impossible for me to believe none of them remembered the reason. Yet only one builder is ever referenced in this description.My bet is that LE knows from one of the three builders what BS said about leaving early.

 

[dotr]

Still a bit freaked about a plastic bag possibly put over HS's head (then removed) to prevent blood spillage, although there was a single spot of blood on BS's pants.

Also, it turns out that the belt found around HS's neck appeared to be a woman's belt, Barry was found with the men's Canadian Tire belt.
imo. rbbm

Key photos reveal forensic timeline of billionaire couple Barry and Honey Sherman’s murders

Police photos reveal that Honey Sherman had time to put down gift bags before she was attacked

www.thestar.com

???
Investigators theorize that Honey was put in position first, then Barry was lifted over her by the killers — getting blood (possibly from the injury to Honey) on his pant legs in the process.''

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Sep 5 '24

Key photos reveal forensic timeline of billionaire couple Barry and Honey Sherman’s murders

Police photos reveal that Honey Sherman had time to put down gift bags before she was attacked

www.thestar.com

View attachment 529133
Barry and Honey Sherman’s kitchen on the day their bodies were discovered.

ETA
Updated 15 hrs ago
Dec. 14, 2023

Police investigating Barry and Honey Sherman’s murders accepted odd limits sought by executors

How the family business empire decided what police could and could not see in the wake of the mysterious double murder.

www.thestar.com

Updated 15 hrs ago
Dec. 15, 2023

Barry and Honey Sherman murder probe was kept away from ties to offshore banking and to Edmonton Oilers’ owner

Rexall Drugs, brewing beer, making movies and more had at least tangential connections to Barry Sherman’s business empire. The police hadn’t been told about all of it.

www.thestar.com

You added the older two articles—do you see a connection to today’s article?

Still a bit freaked about a plastic bag possibly put over HS's head (then removed) to prevent blood spillage, although there was a single spot of blood on BS's pants.

Also, it turns out that the belt found around HS's neck appeared to be a woman's belt, Barry was found with the men's Canadian Tire belt.
imo. rbbm

Key photos reveal forensic timeline of billionaire couple Barry and Honey Sherman’s murders

Police photos reveal that Honey Sherman had time to put down gift bags before she was attacked

www.thestar.com

???
Investigators theorize that Honey was put in position first, then Barry was lifted over her by the killers — getting blood (possibly from the injury to Honey) on his pant legs in the process.''

My first reaction is that Barry was put on the right in order to help stage it as a m/s. I wonder if his staging had something to do with remorse. Killers often cover victims that they care about. Maybe he was set further away than Honey because they cared more for him, compared to Honey. She was left more exposed than he was.

 

[newclues]

If PI's are paid by the hour for the work that they do, wouldn't they try to do things as slowly as possible in order to get paid more over time in the long run? If on the other hand, there is a bonus for solving the case faster, wouldn't the opposite occur? Would not solving something sometimes run contrary to getting paid more by not solving it for sometime and dragging it on?

 

[dotr]

You added the older two articles—do you see a connection to today’s article?



My first reaction is that Barry was put on the right in order to help stage it as a m/s. I wonder if his staging had something to do with remorse. Killers often cover victims that they care about. Maybe he was set further away than Honey because they cared more for him, compared to Honey. She was left more exposed than he was.

The updated 2017 links just popped up with the new article, not yet sure if they are pertinent or not to today's article, but included them just in case.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

“… At 5 p.m., three home builders arrived for a meeting at Apotex to discuss plans for the $30 million Forest Hill mansion Barry and Honey were building not far from their daughter and grandchildren and close to where Barry had grown up. Honey arrived shortly after 5 p.m. and the meeting lasted until 6:15 p.m. Honey then left in her champagne-coloured Lexus SUV and the builders left in their own vehicle. Barry, an unabashed workaholic, stayed at the office. One of the builders later told police that Barry, who usually stayed at Apotex until 10 p.m., made a comment to the builders in the meeting that he had to leave early that day. The builder told police he couldn’t recall Barry’s reason…”

This has always seemed incongruous to me. There were 3 “builders” in attendance at the meeting at Apotex that day. The reporting has always been (quoting from above) “One of the builders later told police that Barry, who usually stayed at Apotex until 10 p.m., made a comment to the builders in the meeting that he had to leave early that day. The builder told police he couldn’t recall Barry’s reason…”

So we know that BS told ALL the builders in attendance that he had to leave early that day. Yet reporting on this meeting has consistently said that “the builder” told police he couldn't recall Barry’s reason.” for leaving early. Why is a single builder always referred to? There were 3 builders in attendance, and according to the reporting, they ALL heard from BS why he had to leave early. Did LE only interview one builder of the 3? That would show complete incompetence IMO. If all 3 were interviewed, surely one of them would remember why BS said he had to leave early that day. It is impossible for me to believe none of them remembered the reason. Yet only one builder is ever referenced in this description.My bet is that LE knows from one of the three builders what BS said about leaving early.

I think KD would like this post. It never occurred to me why he has repeatedly reported that, but I think you’re right. The killer or killers might be wondering what the other two men at that meeting heard about Barry’s plans for that evening.