Canada - Christine Jessop, 9, Queensville, Ont, 3 Oct 1984 - #2 *killer identified*

[Tadpole12]

One of the first suspects to be considered was BJ,
thinking was he might have planned the kidnapping with a friend.
How many friends did they investigate, that CH's criminal record might have remained undiscovered?

 

[Tadpole12]

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1808287299593

Calvin Hoover helped search for the girl he murdered.


Video: wrt CH, " he and his wife declared bankruptcy 3 times since the 90's."

Video, "In 1984 when she was killed in Queensville Ontario, where Hoover too had once lived, his home then was in Toronto."

 

[Keswick84]

This case is far from over...The second question for me, after the obvious one of whether CH committed other murders, is was anyone else involved?

 

[casesensitive]

What is shocking is how this veritable "monster" flew under everybody's radar throughout his life. I don't see this as a revenge killing--it was way too sick for that.

Any pervert who is capable of premeditation in tricking and successfully abducting a vulnerable, trusting child of a friend denotes an uncontrollable urge. The method he used to kill Christine (stabbing) and the mutilation and staging of her body is descriptive of a "lust" serial killer. We know that these killers can change their MO and victims can be male or female.

I think LE released his name because they feel that it could be likely that he is responsible for other victims, and need public input to track his steps. jmo

 

[otto]

One of the first suspects to be considered was BJ,
thinking was he might have planned the kidnapping with a friend.
How many friends did they investigate, that CH's criminal record might have remained undiscovered?

Calvin Hoover did have a criminal history but I think it was for something unrelated, like drunk driving. Nothing in his prior police record profile suggested that he would rape, torture, murder and decapitate the child of his wife's co-worker. The only person who could have recognized a change in behaviour and his missing time that coincided with the abduction of Christine was his wife, but she would be the same as Russell William's wife - somehow oblivious.

 

[Keswick84]

They released his name because this is one of the most significant cases in Canadian history. It's as much about GPM as it is CJ.

This case was a perfect storm of horrible police work and bad timing. I'd like to think the arrest and convinction of GPM could not happen today. There was no chance whatsoever that this crime was random based on when and where this happened. A crime like that doesn't just happen in a town of 400 people in the 1980's. Had they followed the evidence and not Morin they would have absoutely caught Hoover. Nobody other than a family member or friend could have done this. Did he act alone?

 

[Wondergirl]

Has anyone been able to put together a list of where CH lived and when?

Obituary?

I have to say, I missed the detail on the decapitation. <modsnip> I do not ever recall that, and the staging.

I agree with the previous statements that this was a pre-meditated rage killing, and there's no way in hell this was his only crime.

JJ said that CJ had a temper tantrum that day when she found out she couldn't see her Dad, WHILE she was on the phone to Heather Hoover. This seems a critical point of information. How in the hell did that detail get lost in translation?

 

[Keswick84]

Calvin Hoover did have a criminal history but I think it was for something unrelated, like drunk driving. Nothing in his prior police record profile suggested that he would rape, torture, murder and decapitate the child of his wife's co-worker. The only person who could have recognized a change in behaviour and his missing time that coincided with the abduction of Christine was his wife, but she would be the same as Russell William's wife - somehow oblivious.

Apparently he was arrested for a minor sex-related offense (page 25 of this thread) in 1980.

 

[otto]

This case is far from over...The second question for me, after the obvious one of whether CH committed other murders, is was anyone else involved?

I doubt that anyone else was involved in the abduction and murder. Christine's family returned home around 4:10PM, she was buying bubblegum at the corner store around 4PM. She vanished in between.

Calvin Hoover must have been at her house, put her coat on the top hook, told her to bring her recorder and hop in his vehicle, then he drove somewhere, assaulted the 9 year old, drove her to a field, violently stabbed her numerous times, cut off her head, and drove 50km (33 miles) back to her house for the search. It has been said that he attended the funeral and participated in searches.

The kidnapping, assault, murder, decapitation and 100 km (65 miles) round trip driving time would have taken a couple of hours.

His wife and children would have noticed that he did not return from work at a normal time and that he was in a different mood when he did return.

Christine was abducted shortly after 4PM. Driving time was an hour highway driving, longer on back-roads. Cutting off someone's head takes time. Rape of a small child takes time. When did he get home that night? I think it's fair to say that he was late for dinner, and probably wanted to clean up when he did get home. Was it not a concern that the daughter of a co-worker went missing when he had a sudden change of schedule? One person, in my opinion.

 

[Keswick84]

Has anyone been able to put together a list of where CH lived and when?

Obituary?

I have to say, I missed the detail on the decapitation. Wtf. I do not ever recall that, and the staging.

I agree with the previous statements that this was a pre-meditated rage killing, and there's no way in hell this was his only crime.

JJ said that CJ had a temper tantrum that day when she found out she couldn't see her Dad, WHILE she was on the phone to Heather Hoover. This seems a critical point of information. How in the hell did that detail get lost in translation?

Both the first airing of the Fifth Estate and the updated version, after Morin was exonerated, talk about the second autopsy and showed how brutal the killing was. Both are on YouTube and are quite well done.

 

[otto]

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1808287299593

Calvin Hoover helped search for the girl he murdered.

Video: wrt CH, " he and his wife declared bankruptcy 3 times since the 90's."

Video, "In 1984 when she was killed in Queensville Ontario, where Hoover too had once lived, his home then was in Toronto."

Financial problems? Perhaps some jealousy of his wife's co-worker, who lived in a nice house?

 

[otto]

Has anyone been able to put together a list of where CH lived and when?

Obituary?

I have to say, I missed the detail on the decapitation. <modsnip> I do not ever recall that, and the staging.

I agree with the previous statements that this was a pre-meditated rage killing, and there's no way in hell this was his only crime.

JJ said that CJ had a temper tantrum that day when she found out she couldn't see her Dad, WHILE she was on the phone to Heather Hoover. This seems a critical point of information. How in the hell did that detail get lost in translation?

It does seem like a critical detail, especially since those close to Christine decided that taking along her recorder meant she knew the person and that person knew that she wanted to visit her father.

The detail about splayed was in the book Redrum. I don't remember whether "decapitated" was mentioned, but it is mentioned in the news today.

"Thursday, January 3, 2019
It was almost exactly 34 years ago today that the body of Christine Jessop was discovered, her tiny nine-year-old body partially decapitated, her vertebrae broken into pieces and her chest partially wrenched open.

The torture and eventual murder would horrify our innocent nation which had scarcely witnessed this sort of violence perpetrated on a child up to that point.

Her broken family, who'd prayed for her return since her disappearance on Oct. 3, 1984, could finally put their little girl to rest, near the family home in Queensville.

But there remained years of torment in the family's future, which would include 10 years of repeated police and judicial failures resulting in the initial acquittal, eventual conviction and ultimate exoneration of the wrong man, Christine’s former neighbour — Guy Paul Morin.

Somewhere along the way the story of Christine Jessop was mixed and twisted with the story of Morin and all its depressing failures."
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https://www.yorkregion.com/news-sto...tine-jessop-series-garners-6-tips-for-police/

 

[jessica-]

Interesting how Calvins DUI happened not long after Guy Pauls exoneration.

 

[otto]

Apparently he was arrested for a minor sex-related offense (page 25 of this thread) in 1980.

Can you bring that forward please? Copy paste, reply, something like that?

 

[jessica-]

I doubt that anyone else was involved in the abduction and murder. Christine's family returned home around 4:10PM, she was buying bubblegum at the corner store around 4PM. She vanished in between.

Calvin Hoover must have been at her house, put her coat on the top hook, told her to bring her recorder and hop in his vehicle, then he drove somewhere, assaulted the 9 year old, drove her to a field, violently stabbed her numerous times, cut off her head, and drove 50km (33 miles) back to her house for the search. It has been said that he attended the funeral and participated in searches.

The kidnapping, assault, murder, decapitation and 100 km (65 miles) round trip driving time would have taken a couple of hours.

His wife and children would have noticed that he did not return from work at a normal time and that he was in a different mood when he did return.

Christine was abducted shortly after 4PM. Driving time was an hour highway driving, longer on back-roads. Cutting off someone's head takes time. Rape of a small child takes time. When did he get home that night? I think it's fair to say that he was late for dinner, and probably wanted to clean up when he did get home. Was it not a concern that the daughter of a co-worker went missing when he had a sudden change of schedule? One person, in my opinion.

I think she knew, thats why she's having a nervous breakdown. According to Redrum, the owners of the property had been there close to Thanksgiving and Christines body was not there. Leads me to think they wouldn't have missed that, and that Christine was held somewhere for up to a week. Did Calvin and Heather Hoover have a cottage or trailer in the area? So many questions.

 

[otto]

News Article from The Globe & Mail

IN BRIEF Sexual favors alleged at trial

Thursday, May 08, 1980

Toronto ON -- An undercover policewoman who was sent to a Yonge Street escort service to get a job was told she would get $40 for giving "sexual favors" to customers, a bawdy house trial was told yesterday. Crown attorney Peter DeJulio said in his opening address the five men on trial were charged after a 1978 investigation of the Paradise Cinema on Yonge Street north of Dundas Street. Charged with conspiring to procure women for sexual intercourse, conspiring to keep a bawdy house and other morality offences are Joseph Martin Sr., 56, of Highfield Road, his sons, Joseph Attila, 26, and Charles, 22, Calvin Hoover and Agostin Ficsor.

Bringing this forward from page 25.

 

[otto]

Another Globe and Mail article

Five acquitted after wiretap ruling

Wednesday, May 14, 1980

Toronto ON -- Five men were acquitted of prostitution-related charges yesterday after a judge ruled most of the Crown's wiretap evidence inadmissible.

County Court Judge Hugh Honsberger stated that the men did not get the notice required by the Criminal Code on where the telephone interceptions took place.

The men were given folders containing transcripts of the conversations. The folders carried the name Paradise Cinema, 364 Yonge St., on their covers but there was no statement among the documents inside saying that this was where the wiretaps took place.

Judge Honsberger threw out about 65 transcripts and admitted four in which the place was identified by someone answering the phone with " Paradise Cinema." Crown counsel Peter DeJulio told Judge Honsberger that he did not have enough evidence left to continue.

Agostin Ficsor, Calvin Hoover, Joseph Martin, 56, of Highfield Road and his sons, Joseph Jr., 26, and Charles, 22, had been charged with conspiring to procure, control and live off the avails of prostitution and with keeping a common bawdy house at the cinema.

1980 article. Thrown out on a technicality.

 

[otto]

I think she knew, thats why she's having a nervous breakdown. According to Redrum, the owners of the property had been there close to Thanksgiving and Christines body was not there. Leads me to think they wouldn't have missed that, and that Christine was held somewhere for up to a week. Did Calvin and Heather Hoover have a cottage or trailer in the area? So many questions.

I think it's a bit fishy that the mother of the brutally murdered 9 year old victim needs to reflect and think, while her friend - the wife of the suspect, has a nervous breakdown and needs to go to hospital - where she cannot be questioned by police.

If anyone has a reason to fall apart after the announcement of the suspect it is the mother of the child who was murdered by a family friend, not the wife of the family friend.

That's still an open question about the connection between Calvin and Christine's body - what is Calvin and Heather Hoover's connection to the property where Christine was found. It could be connected to his wife.

 

[Tadpole12]

Interesting how Calvins DUI happened not long after Guy Pauls exoneration.

FMI
Morin was tried twice and convicted, but DNA testing eventually reversed the verdict. He was exonerated in 1995 and paid $1.2-million in ...

 

[otto]

FMI
Morin was tried twice and convicted, but DNA testing eventually reversed the verdict. He was exonerated in 1995 and paid $1.2-million in ...

Yes. The family friend who murdered the 9 year old girl remained silent for years while Guy Paul Morin's verdicts were appealed by both the defence and the prosecution.

After he was exonerated by DNA, he was financially compensated just like other wrongfully convicted prisoners in Canada. There are laws in some states that prevent wrongfully convicted people of financial compensation. Canada is different from the USA in that regard. The wrongfully convicted in Canada are always compensated.

In fact, one big difference between law in Canada and the USA is that Canada criminal law is federal. In the USA it is state law, so in North Carolina, a 6 year old can be criminally prosecuted for sexual curiosity with another 6 year old child. In Canada, across the country, children have to be 12 years old.

There my be 1970s wrongful convictions that lack exonerating DNA evidence, as well as really bad people who insist they are innocent.