Or someone who is totally unconnected at all to Dofasco, who pulled up to the phone booth in his vehicle, made the call. Someone who had been told the story of the murder, by either the murderer or secondhand. if someone is going to make an obviously anonymous call about something so important, wouldn't they want to ensure there was no way to connect themselves to that phonebooth location? i wonder where that phonebooth sits, in relation to just traffic driving by on Ottawa Street? Can you see the phonebooth from the road? Are vehicles allowed to drive up to that phonebooth without going through a gate or something? Would there have been money required for someone to have made that call at that time, or was it like a free call (was it a 911 call?)?
GUILTY Canada - Diane Werendowicz, 23, raped & murdered, Hamilton, Ont, June 1981
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Or someone who is totally unconnected at all to Dofasco, who pulled up to the phone booth in his vehicle, made the call. Someone who had been told the story of the murder, by either the murderer or secondhand. if someone is going to make an obviously anonymous call about something so important, wouldn't they want to ensure there was no way to connect themselves to that phonebooth location? i wonder where that phonebooth sits, in relation to just traffic driving by on Ottawa Street? Can you see the phonebooth from the road? Are vehicles allowed to drive up to that phonebooth without going through a gate or something? Would there have been money required for someone to have made that call at that time, or was it like a free call (was it a 911 call?)?
First... according to legal documents, RB testified that he had consensual sex with DW in his 'truck'.
http://caselaw.canada.globe24h.com/...o/2008/09/05/r-v-badgerow-2008-onca-605.shtml
I'm not understanding what you're meaning in your 2nd paragraph. Why would her jeans not have been on? If RB's story is accurate, she was approached while walking home after having sex with RB in his truck, her jeans would have been on. if you're saying that RB instead raped her in the ravine, then he was also undoubtedly her killer. jmo.
How tall was the guy in the black t-shirt who was seen by a witness in the vicinity of DR's attack? That perp tried to get her pants undone but couldn't, and he stabbed her with a screwdriver. DW was found with her jeans zipper undone, but the button still done up. Is it possible that black-tshirt-guy also couldn't get her button undone, or decided not to rape DW and just to killer her? both assaults took place in same general vicinity. That guy was never found. The witness who saw him was deported to the UK sometime prior to the DR trial and couldn't be found. (What was he deported for? Could he have potentially been the perp, saying that he saw some other guy?)
I'm pretty sure we had MOL laws even back in 1981... i'm pretty sure they wouldn't expect a steelworker to work much more than 4 hours without a food break. I wonder how the prosecution got their info that 12:18 would have been RB's lunch time? Were HR timecards pulled? So many loose ends it seems?
I think someone was sitting down when they took it. I've looked for his height too. I saw him in person the day of jury selection, but he was seated. Had tats down his right arm.
When I stand tall I feel taller than my husband because he slumps. He's taller than I. She had runners on so that wouldn't make her too tall.
I read he's banned from having a cell phone. Looks like he has one in this photo. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/badgerow-1.3779399
According to this link, which i cannot access, but can see just enough to read that the screwdriver sex assault perp was described as being about 5'10'' fwiw
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2528196-unsolved-excerpt-the-lucky-one-/
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2528196-unsolved-excerpt-the-lucky-one-/
Here is the other older video where you can hear his voice http://www.chch.com/robert-badgerow-will-tried-4th-time/ to compare.
As a shy person with an interest in medicine and healing, after a 12 hour work shift, DW is not a likely candidate to have unprotected relations with a stranger, in a truck, that she just met in a parking lot.
imo, speculation.
http://www.metronews.ca/news/hamilton/2012/09/07/what-the-badgerow-juries-were-never-told.html
imo, speculation.
http://www.metronews.ca/news/hamilton/2012/09/07/what-the-badgerow-juries-were-never-told.html
bbm all questions a witness should be able to provide for the jurors. Should have finger print dusted his dime/quarter.
I was bothered that she had jeans on when found after a supposed rape. Photos I looked at of murdered rape victims were mostly naked. I was buying his point that she walked away with jeans on, panties in hand or purse and that it was an innocuous fling. But the new lightbulb theory is this:
They make out in the car, it goes farther than she wants, she pulls away (he's ejac'd) puts her jeans on, of course semen drips into her jeans, she grabs her panties--he feels rejected or worried she will ID him because technically he raped her. He catches up, drags her to the ravine and in anger strangles her.
Or He offers her a ride or asks her to smoke up, they drive to a dark area in the ravine area, then he rapes her, she gets out, puts her pans on, He gets out and grabs her...Who would have casual sex in a bar parking lot with people around anyhow? Dark and private seems more like it.
Another theory is he punched out of work at 11 pm. You've said it takes 15 min to the bar. OMG, I just Googled it and one route from Dofasco to the bar is the route she would have walked!!! So he maybe saw her, stalked her, or offered her a ride home...but somehow her jeans got back on and she was dead with ejaculate.
I read rapists like to justify their actions so saying it was casual sex justifies it in his mind.
I have it in my quote that she said he was 5' 10".
Interesting about the UK. Yesterday I was googling names in legal docs and articles and one guy I found is now in the UK. (Don't ask me which guy. At the moment I'm brain dead).
Just had another thought. If it was innocent consensual s*x--when the news reports came out with the description and name wouldn't he go to police to tell him his part? Maybe he didn't catch her name before he screwed her. If you ask me he KNEW it was the same girl for 17 yrs!!!
Thinking that the alleged perp. raped, or attempted to rape her in the parking lot ( or wherever) DW temporarily got away perhaps pretending it was consensual quickly putting on her pants and started to run.
Perp realizes it was a ruse, angrily catches up and brings DW to the ravine to punish and silence the victim.
imo, speculation.
Perp realizes it was a ruse, angrily catches up and brings DW to the ravine to punish and silence the victim.
imo, speculation.
That is something that bothers me. One of the girls that DW was with on that evening, said that she had about 5 beers. If RB's story is true, she then smoked weed. I've always heard the saying that you have to watch out for the 'shy ones'. The thing that bothers me is that the autopsy results showed her blood alcohol as being only slightly over the legal limit. Wouldn't this suggest that several hours had passed between the time when she consumed the 5 beers, and the time when she became deceased?
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Depends on how fast she drank and what time we're talking. She could have taken her time drinking over many hours, or slammed them down fast and chilled a while, etc.
I read that DW had just come off of a 12 hour shift, and that she had worked 3 in a row. it must be published somewhere about what time they arrived to Malarkey's that night, and then she left right around midnight. if she met up with RB afterwards and he raped and killed her, then I'm thinking her BAC should be higher. To me it suggests that it must have been much later when she died. i'll try to find something to indicate TOA to the bar. Thanks for your input HoaZi!
I was looking too. One article points out the friends she was meeting the first time (friends of Lori) arrived at 11 but says they were 'joining' them so I'm thinking she was there earlier since she left by 12. However, this is what the friend has said, "Smith, a McMaster nurse, said she and her friend Janice Noble arrived at Malarkey’s bar in Fiesta Mall about 11 p.m. It was a particularly busy Friday night at the popular Stoney Creek nightspot. The two women were joining their friend Lori Allen, who was bringing along another friend. That friend was Werendowicz.
Smith testified she exchanged small talk about nursing with Werendowicz and saw her consume five to six Molson Export beers in just over an hour at the standup bar area where the four women congregated. She said she asked Noble between midnight and 12:15 a.m. about the whereabouts of Werendowicz and was told she had left the bar.
Smith said she did not see Werendowicz talking with anyone specifically. Despite Werendowicz’s alcohol consumption, Smith testified the woman she had met for the first time that evening did not show any obvious signs of intoxication." http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2217224-a-gruesome-discovery-in-red-hill-creek-ravin[/I]e/