Fair enough. Let's say you roll the dice and lose and are convicted of 2nd degree murder as Rb was convicted of. He had parole eligibility set at 17yrs.
Would you have taken the second deal after being convicted.
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Fair enough. Let's say you roll the dice and lose and are convicted of 2nd degree murder as Rb was convicted of. He had parole eligibility set at 17yrs.
Would you have taken the second deal after being convicted.
Well, 17 more days until the 26th anniversary of Ebs disappearance.
Lord please guide us all who are trying to find Eb, as to what work you have left for us to do in order that we may bring her home and give closure to all who love and miss her so dearly.
Amen
Lord please guide us all who are trying to find Eb, as to what work you have left for us to do in order that we may bring her home and give closure to all who love and miss her so dearly.
Amen
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Have you always thought this or is this recent? I agree that the fact that family found her car was pretty coincidental. So where was the car before being placed there and who placed it there? I am very interested in your opinion on this. TIA
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like my signature says, it only my opinion and speculation,
this is based on what i have been remembering from back then, and certain things i read have been helping me remember other things,
i was close with the family, i am angry it was all right there in front of my face and i was too stupid and naive to see it, but then again i was a stupid, naive kid at the time,
i trusted this family like my own, i actually felt sorry for them at the time, now the only people i feel sorry for is EB herself, and the man whose life the Bain family ruined RB
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JohnPaul, please don't chastise yourself about any of this. None of it is your doing at all.
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Wowsers, take a break for a couple of weeks and missed all this.
JP, yes you were naive, every 16yr old is. There was absolutely no way for you to think any different at the time. Please don't beat yourself up.
I can't imagine how betrayed you feel by those you considered to be family.
Put that anger into passion my friend.
EB is listening, RB is listening
WE ARE LISTENING!!!!!
PS: who did you ask to dig?
JP, yes you were naive, every 16yr old is. There was absolutely no way for you to think any different at the time. Please don't beat yourself up.
I can't imagine how betrayed you feel by those you considered to be family.
Put that anger into passion my friend.
EB is listening, RB is listening
WE ARE LISTENING!!!!!
PS: who did you ask to dig?
With all due respect JohnPaul - a little more info on what you might know would be helpful. Might know is OK btw. Speculation is OK btw.
How are the readers suppose help?
Who won't listen as per post #187? We already know something fwiw - it's been posted that TPS won't be your friend considering the lawsuit that is not yet resolved. You don't need paperwork to tell us who won't listen as per your request - it's your experience than I'm sure you could back up if necessary. No laws broken.
Find EB - right?
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i have already probably said more then i should have on an open public forum,
im sorry but i can't, and will not go into any further details in public
Oh well - guess we will never know what you might know JohnPaul. EB will likely lie where she is for some time yet. What's another few years?
Fwiw - a standard drone is too light to carry standard ground penetrating radar - unless one had a heavy duty type drone. Not sure if that exists. A helicopter would work though. This info is from a film maker that uses a drone from time to time.
Fwiw - a standard drone is too light to carry standard ground penetrating radar - unless one had a heavy duty type drone. Not sure if that exists. A helicopter would work though. This info is from a film maker that uses a drone from time to time.
Can a gpr unit work from the height or does it have to be on the ground. Wondering about the penetrating ability.
It can work from above - google the recent finding of lakes buried under mountains of ice in Antarctica. GPR was attached to planes that performed various sweeps across a certain section of the continent. My idea was born of that success.
Not trying to shut down any of this. But 1. does anyone know of a case where anyone let alone a family member was buried in a FRONT yard? 2. Also why make the dangerous decision to escalate a simple disappearance or suicide (as has been said LE's first theory) into a homicide involving a family car? All they would have to do is get rid of EB and then push a suicide or run away theory. It is much easier to say "she had talked to me about suicide" (or running away) than it is to start planting evidence. Why go there? 3. Did the investigators who told LE she could not have been dead in the car (for long or at all) actually suspect evidence was planted do you think? Or were they thinking more simply i.e. just examining the LE theory? What did THEY think happened do we know? 4. Just want to reissue something I said long ago here and it is not much but just in case......some victims of the Scarborough rapist describe a man who cannot have been Bernardo.blonde yes but over 6 feet tall and with facial hair. Bernardo's Greek buddy was adamant B. could not grow facial hair. This is a two Scarborough rapist's theory. Woodland I assume LE would not have bothered to match Bernardo's DNA with every SR victim is this correct? Do any of the sitings around the campus include a blonde man over 6 feet with facial hair? 5. As for finding the car: whether we all believe him or not RB had of course also seen her car and it is easier to see the car of someone you know well than it is for LE to look for a general make etc. 6. Is there any other plausible expanation for the small amount of pooled blood and the mark going only in not out or does it necessarily mean the evidence was planted? 7. I agree that Dotr's point about the man they are looking for and whose pic they released could relate to EB.
1. Personally, no. 2. Exactly 3. At no time has forensics ever suggested anything in regards to possible planting of evidence. They were just giving LE the facts of the evidence didn't fit their theory. Forensics have no absolute conclusions as to exactly what happened. All they have said is they feel a large bloody object was pulled into the back. They have no idea where this happened, or when this exactly happened. 4. No. 5. 6. Forensics say that there was no sign of coagulation in the pooled blood behind the front seat. A live person laying down and say bleeding from a head wound or the nose, forensics say there would have been signs of coagulation in the blood.
Can't answer if planted blood would show signs of coagulation or not as that theory was never brought up for an explanation. 7. There has never been a pic released relating to Eb. If you mean the one they released prior to EB's disappearance, that was a sketch was of bernardo for sure.
With all due respect Chorley8, you have some misconceptions here imo that have never been said, so will try to help out in order to keep EB's case alive and well and more importantly, on track. First and foremost, shutting ideas down will not happen.
Has there been another case of a stranger or family member buried in a front yard or any other area of a property? Seriously? I don't read all that many cases here, or anywhere else, but yes I have seen many - North America and the UK in particular. Prostitutes called for an evening, tenants renting a room or basement and family members have all ended up buried in front/back/side yards for various reasons. Google the idea.
Imo, your 2 makes no sense what so ever. A dangerous decision to escalate a 'simple disappearance or suicide' into a homicide and involving a family car? That imo, needs a far better explanation as to what you are saying - as nothing posted here even remotely resembles that. 'All they would have to do is' .... What I do see is, the mixing up of various ideas into one idea. Doesn't work, therefore requires no response.
The fact that EB may have talked about or even attempted suicide at any time means what as far as she has been missing 26 years? I agree - why go there?
Investigators did not tell LE anything regarding the impossibility of a body being in EB's car? LE are the investigators - forensic scientists tell LE their opinions on LE theories. You need to get that sorted out in your statement imo - RB is in the process of amending his lawsuit based on LE withholding CFS confirmation from the beginning that LE's idea of a body in EB's car was not plausible. Planted evidence is a theory posed here - do you know what the theory states as far as planted evidence? Surely you are not saying someone said LE planted it? Right?
Who is 'they'? Very unclear.
'Woodland I assume LE would not have bothered to match Bernardo's DNA with every SR victim'? Htf would I know?
If you have a plausible explanation for a small amount of blood in the back of EB's vehicle - pooled or otherwise - and drag marks going into the back of her vehicle but not outwards - please advise. One theory has been given - you want someone to give you another one?
If one wants to discount any theories - no problem - that is not in the quoted post though. Please don't start with with introducing info never stated - introduce your own info and or theory.
Well here is one. But I think this went around the world because of the oddity of it. And I think the property was more rural.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...body-front-yard-neola-robinson_n_3610651.html
Yes as for the number 2 that makes no sense for which sorry.....I just think providing your own evidence that a homicide (not a suicide or absconding) has happened is just bound to bring so much more scrutiny that it would be wildly foolhardy to entertain it no matter how much medical knowledge you have as a medical worker. And then leading police by the earthworks in the front yard while you complain about the disappearance would be unbelievable...doesn't mean it didn't happen though.....
As we all know people have trouble getting LE to take disappearances seriously for the simple reason that there is just so many of them. The case of Mariam M. in Toronto was unusual because she had no money was so new to the country etc. Come to think of it why are we so sure Elizabeth is dead? The RB case because it was a homicide case has influenced us. There is no body a small amount of blood as I understand it less than a pint.....and it may not be her blood.
Someone else's blood in the car that is not evidence she is dead. OK a theory I admit a wild one: she could have planned to disappear and would have needed only one other person in the world to help her. Correct?
Someone brought up the case of Mabel Wong which is interesting. That would in and of itself be another theory. Serial.
And as for theories the third is the one I introduced a second Scarborough rapist (and worse). Copycat to Bernardo or the other way around. Over 6 feet with a moustache. Victim of the Scarborough rapist....but it can't be him. I am interested in this as well cause of later behaviour of this one......having a later wife (with kids) that was the spitting image of EB.
A fourth one would be that the search for this "Ken" is related to a previously unknown disappearance in Scarborough in the late 80's as several have surmised on that thread. Which could fit into the EB disappearance. Or as has been suggested LE due to the delicate nature of the case now with the law suit shifted the dates slightly and when we look at Ken we are looking at a suspect in the disappearance in EB or he knows that person. By the way any ethnicity specialists here? Could Ken be Philippino? It is interesting that he lived in several basement apartments.....why so much moving? If he went to Scarborough then LE will know who he is by now for sure. I bet he didn't. My hunch is that is a POI (in regard to EB or a totally unrelated disappearance we don't know about) but they are leaving it open in case he might come forward himself and so others will not be afraid to come forward.
And by the way EB not being in the front yard doesn't mean the theory is not correct still of course.