Canada - Laura Babcock, 23, Toronto, 26 June 2012

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Sad to say, but what SB said about the remains of TB, I don't think LE will ever find LB.

Until we know, if we ever do, who she said she was going to stay with when she contacted her other friend on July 5th, maybe we shouldn't be so hasty with assumptions. JMO
 
Until we know, if we ever do, who she said she was going to stay with when she contacted her other friend on July 5th, maybe we shouldn't be so hasty with assumptions. JMO

Can you please provide an MSM or LE source for the July 5 meeting. I don't believe there is one.
 
Can you please provide an MSM or LE source for the July 5 meeting. I don't believe there is one.

I didn't say it was a meeting, only that LB had contacted another friend on that date. As posted above, the information was from LB's aunt on the FB group and I don't believe I am allowed to provide a link to FB. Just look for the group called "Help us find Laura" - it is an open group.
 
Can you please provide an MSM or LE source for the July 5 meeting. I don't believe there is one.

Actually, here are two articles. Although they don't state a date, they do mention other contacts after the calls to DM.

He also said Ms. Babcock had been in contact with other people since last being in touch with Mr. Millard on July 3, 2012.

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/police-prepare-to-update-laura-babcock-case-after-dellen-millard-farm-search/article12332413/?service=mobile

There was contact between Ms. Babcock and Mr. Millard’s phones on July 3, 2012, the detective said, but suggested Mr. Millard may not have been the last person to speak with her.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/06/04/dellen-millard/

HTH
 
I didn't say it was a meeting, only that LB had contacted another friend on that date. As posted above, the information was from LB's aunt on the FB group and I don't believe I am allowed to provide a link to FB. Just look for the group called "Help us find Laura" - it is an open group.
For now the HUFL FB page can be linked, alethea, but naturally the MSM links you added in your next post are preferable.

As an FYI for everyone's benefit, a "missing" FB page is normally allowed if it's set up by an individual or group with actual inside information; and the intent is to notify the public about progress in the case, searches, LE updates, and to provide a means for people to ask questions and post messages of support. Unfortunately, these pages sometimes become rumor mills and and staging areas for conflict and drama. If that occurs, the mods will determine the "missing" page off limits.

Now here's the rule of thumb wrt reporting comments from social media and news sites. If you read a comment that you believe is credible and informative, you can mention it in a post here, but not copy and paste. It's still considered unsubstantiated information (rumor), and members can use their own discretion to believe it, disregard it, or consider it as a possibility. It's not a valid basis for argument. For example, I could say, "according to LB's aunt, she might have contacted someone on July 5. See the post at this link from June xx at xx:xx a.m." But if I post, "it's a known fact that LB was in contact with someone on July 5," my post would be snipped or removed.

A link must always be provided when mentioning a comment posted elsewhere. If the site is off limits, then we can't link it; and if we can't link it, we can't post it.

Also, if a comment is scurrilous, inciteful, bashes a victim, or is just plain "out there", you should think twice about posting it. If you do, the chances are great that your post will be removed or snipped. Occasionally these rumors prove true, but before repeating it, it's wise to consider whether the source is credible, and then make some effort to determine its validity. It's all about using common sense, and posting responsibly.

If you're still not sure, but think it's relevant, check with a mod in a private message (pm) before you post. Sometimes a mod is already aware of the comment and can tell you whether or not it's true, or provide you with a better source. Or, the mod might advise you on an acceptable way to post the information. Other times, requests are out of the question, and there's nothing the mod can do. In any case, if you show a willingness to cooperate, the mods will go out of their way to help you. Believe me, we hear it all, so don't hesitate to ask.
 
Oh Bessie, that's mean ^^ ... west coast brain is just waking up here

:floorlaugh:

But Thank You anyway for the wealth of information !!
Oh, noooo, did I overwhelm you, sillybilly? Aww...here, have a cupcake. :cupcake:

:silly:
 
I didn't say it was a meeting, only that LB had contacted another friend on that date. As posted above, the information was from LB's aunt on the FB group and I don't believe I am allowed to provide a link to FB. Just look for the group called "Help us find Laura" - it is an open group.

Sorry about that. You did indeed say it was just a contact. In any case, the aunt has since retracted that statement on Facebook. It was the most recent post on Help Us Find Laura the last time I looked.
 
Sorry about that. You did indeed say it was just a contact. In any case, the aunt has since retracted that statement on Facebook. It was the most recent post on Help Us Find Laura the last time I looked.

Yes, I see she has removed her post. However, IMO, saying she retracted the statement leaves the impression that she removed the post because it wasn't true. In her comment about the removal, from 9 hours ago, she says that she removed it because it caused someone "much dismay". From the rest of her explanation, it appears that she was told it was hearsay because she wouldn't/couldn't prove it and that it is no one's business except for LE what LB's last steps were. Of course, this is just my opinion, based on her explanation and a post (also now removed) that had followed her original comment. Personally, I think it's a shame that someone would care more about their own feelings than about finding LB. But again, that's JMO and it doesn't change the fact that LE also stated that LB had contact with others after the last call to DM (see post #885).
 
I moved recent posts relating to property transactions to the "property" thread.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210691"]Millard Properties: Locations and Ownership - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

So far there's nothing to tie in the property transactions to LB. Eventually the information would become buried here, and will be easier to locate if kept in the appropriate thread.
 
Despite being only an acquaintance of the man, Mr. Lerner contacted Mr. Millard to inquire about the string of phone calls. He says Mr. Millard refused to discuss the matter over text messages, so the two met for coffee.

“First he denied it, he said ‘There couldn’t have been eight calls,’” Mr. Lerner said. “But I had the records in my bag.”

After seeing the records, Mr. Millard told him “she was calling looking for drugs and a place to stay.” He told Mr. Lerner that he did not oblige either request.

So no texting. Why not? Laura calls him for drugs and a place to stay (whether this is true or not, since it's coming from DM). Does he have drugs available? We don't know this. Does he have places for her to stay? In fact he has a few properties where she could stay. So did she? He says he did not oblige. Hmmmm. She calls him over 8 times in a few days so something may be urgent. Lerner says he lent her his ipad to look for apartments and that was the last time he saw Laura. She was supposed to be looking for places. Where did DM and LB go on their "dates?"

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...pect-dellen-millard-before-her-disappearance/
 
So no texting. Why not? Laura calls him for drugs and a place to stay (whether this is true or not, since it's coming from DM). Does he have drugs available? We don't know this. Does he have places for her to stay? In fact he has a few properties where she could stay. So did she? He says he did not oblige. Hmmmm. She calls him over 8 times in a few days so something may be urgent. Lerner says he lent her his ipad to look for apartments and that was the last time he saw Laura. She was supposed to be looking for places. Where did DM and LB go on their "dates?"

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...pect-dellen-millard-before-her-disappearance/

rbbm

Technically, it's coming from SL, not DM. No one else has come forward to confirm that was how the conversation went.

If I received text messages like that, or any text messages that could potentially be an argument, I would probably refuse to discuss it by text and either call or meet as well.
 
Maybe nothing at all but news today of:

"...a badly-decomposed body was pulled from a Hamilton lake on Wednesday.

Canoeists at the Lake Niapenco reservoir, near Tyneside and White Church roads, saw the body and notified police."

http://www.citynews.ca/2013/06/21/autopsy-friday-after-body-found-in-hamilton-lake/

Lake Niapenco is located in a curious area of Ontario...

Sounds like they think it might be DB, who they have been searching for in the Grand River.

Det. Sgt. Joe Stewart of the police homicide unit told CBC Hamilton that the remains are male. "It had obviously been in there a considerable amount of time — perhaps months," he said.

http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/story/2013/06/21/hamilton-ontario-body-found.html

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3849891-update-autopsy-friday-on-body-pulled-from-binbrook-lake/
 
So no texting. Why not? Laura calls him for drugs and a place to stay (whether this is true or not, since it's coming from DM). Does he have drugs available? We don't know this. Does he have places for her to stay? In fact he has a few properties where she could stay. So did she? He says he did not oblige. Hmmmm. She calls him over 8 times in a few days so something may be urgent. Lerner says he lent her his ipad to look for apartments and that was the last time he saw Laura. She was supposed to be looking for places. Where did DM and LB go on their "dates?"

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...pect-dellen-millard-before-her-disappearance/


Maybe LB was trying to contact DM to tell him something or warn him about something. People often go missing if they are considered a risk for 'talking'. Not saying this is the case...but is a possibility IMO
 
The new Globe article today mentions that MS was charged with cocaine possession...if DM was supplying LB, MS could have been his connection

Mr. Smich’s rap sheet includes possession of cocaine and magic mushrooms, failure to appear in court, breach of a mandated curfew and driving while impaired. In the fall of 2012, he and another man were chased by police after allegedly spray-painting a highway overpass, authorities said at the time.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/chilling-details-emerge-in-mysterious-bosma-case/article12757899/
 
I didn't know magic mushrooms were still around, what with al the chemical drugs out there!
 
The new Globe article today mentions that MS was charged with cocaine possession...if DM was supplying LB, MS could have been his connection

Mr. Smich’s rap sheet includes possession of cocaine and magic mushrooms, failure to appear in court, breach of a mandated curfew and driving while impaired. In the fall of 2012, he and another man were chased by police after allegedly spray-painting a highway overpass, authorities said at the time.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/chilling-details-emerge-in-mysterious-bosma-case/article12757899/

Didn't read any new and chilling details that hasn't already been discussed by WS .......maybe there getting there news here...lol. The type of drug he was in possession of is new I guess, hadn't heard before it was cocaine and magic mushrooms. :moo:
 

I'm not convinced he was a "boyfriend" at all.

When we combine what SL said, with what LE said, sounds like he was a john or pimp:

At a Toronto police news conference Tuesday, Det. Mike Carbone said police continue to investigate the disappearance of Laura Babcock, who hasn't been seen since last summer. The 23-year-old was romantically linked with Millard, but it was not a traditional dating relationship, said the officer.

from:
http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/story/2013/06/05/hamilton-bosma-third-test-drive.html

Escorts and stws will frequently describe their pimp as their bf.

JMO
 
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