Canada - Laura Babcock, 23, Toronto, 26 June 2012

[Coldpizza]

:seeya:

We can't link to "sex trade" sites. If you feel you have a tip in this case, you are encouraged to use the tip line, but when it comes to these kinds of sites, we can't be linking them from Websleuths.

Thanks so much! :grouphug:

:bump:

 

[Ailin42]

Did anyone else see the letter to the editor in yesterday's Hamilton Spectator about the Tim Bosma reporting, signed by one Laura Babcock? I am sure there are many people by that name but it sure sent a chill down my spine.

http://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/3833561-lawyer-profile-was-insensitive-and-crass/

 

[Jasper52]

Did anyone else see the letter to the editor in yesterday's Hamilton Spectator about the Tim Bosma reporting, signed by one Laura Babcock? I am sure there are many people by that name but it sure sent a chill down my spine.

http://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/3833561-lawyer-profile-was-insensitive-and-crass/

If you read the comments below the article, there is an explanation - basically states that this is a different Laura Babcock and that there have been many inquiries about her.

That would have raised the hair on my neck, had I not read the comments!

 

[matou]

Did DM buy any new property after starting to "date" Laura? Did he sell any property after she went missing?

 

[Sillybilly]

Did DM buy any new property after starting to "date" Laura? Did he sell any property after she went missing?

I don't think we have a fix on when he dated LB.


That particular property show in google hits dated March 30 2010:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...7+elmhurst"+oakville&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

This youtube vid promoting the property was uploaded May 27 2011:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx8F4gY8jn0"]2207 Elmhurst Ave. Oakville Slideshow - Joanne Mathew - YouTube[/ame]

A Remax Duggal Team page shows it as "recently sold" for $795,000 but I can't locate a date associated with the page:

http://www.richardduggal.com/recently-sold.html

DM's phone number is associated with the propertyguys listing #701810 for sale of 2207 Elmhurst at $829,000 in February 2012 (don't know when it may have appeared prior to that). It was said earlier that he was trying to help his friend JS sell the home (I don't recall the source for that info):

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...02369904pf_0012.pdf+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

 

[Sillybilly]

I wasn't quick enough, but edited my above post to correct the propertyguys listing # to 701810.

 

[jash]

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DM's phone number is associated with the propertyguys listing #701810 for sale of 2207 Elmhurst at $829,000 in February 2012 (don't know when it may have appeared prior to that). It was said earlier that he was trying to help his friend JS sell the home (I don't recall the source for that info):

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...02369904pf_0012.pdf+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

BBM - It was MsSherlock who found that info. [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9455686&postcount=928"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Canada - Timothy Bosma, 32, Hamilton Ontario, 6 May 2013 - #6 **ARREST**[/ame]

 

[Archangel7]

But I wonder how many phones are set up properly. This link is an example of someone thinking they had it right, couldn't locate their phone, and ultimately found out it involved a bit more than just turning Location Services on or off from within the "Settings" function:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2466268?start=0&tstart=0

Exactly SB.

There is another way though....IMO

There is the ability to intercept signals being transmitted from a wireless device to the tower.
The device mimics the tower and tricks the device into believing the intercepting device is a legitimate tower. If the proper info. about the missing device is known, it can be located, traced and tracked with this device. IMO

If no information on the particular device is known, all devices in a geographic area can be seen via their hardware numbers which in turn can determine the specific devices in that area. JMO

It would of course take a large commitment and there are legalities. IMO

Here's a link to a fairly accurate usage/info.IMO

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904194604576583112723197574.html

 

[Sillybilly]

Exactly SB.

There is another way though....IMO

There is the ability to intercept signals being transmitted from a wireless device to the tower.
The device mimics the tower and tricks the device into believing the intercepting device is a legitimate tower. If the proper info. about the missing device is known, it can be located, traced and tracked with this device. IMO

If no information on the particular device is known, all devices in a geographic area can be seen via their hardware numbers which in turn can determine the specific devices in that area. JMO

https://publicintelligence.net/harr...sh-wireless-surveillance-products-price-list/

Hmm ... fancy !!

(Your link doesn't give that info tho. Are you per chance Mr. Harris trying to sell me one of your phones? jk, jk :floorlaugh

So if this is true, would it also be true that once LE had the phone number for the burner phone that DM/associates are believed to have used, LE could track where and when that burner phone had been physically located a a given time?

And the same could apply to SL's phone that had been in LB's possession?? Am wondering if that could be what instigated the TPS search at the farm.

 

[jash]

"Paradkar said Millard hasn’t been questioned about the disappearance of Laura Babcock, an online escorted who had been romantically linked to Millard and was last seen June 26, 2012."
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/06/13/tim_bosma_murder_trial_could_be_held_in_late_2014.html

Sad that the articles used to describe her as "a Toronto woman" or "a missing woman", but now she's just "an online escort" (seems they were in such a rush to type that phrase they didn't catch their typo!).

I wonder why DM hasn't been questioned, even just as a witness. Even if LE have evidence that she was in contact with other people after the phone calls to DM, would they not want to speak to him to find out about her state of mind and why she was calling him?

 

[Snoofo]

I still dont think LE is going to act swiftly all of a sudden. I'm sure they felt pressured to show the active dig at the farm, which would be a highly unusual move in a missing persons case, especially for big city LE who get a tonne of these.

Actually I'm a little surprised they didnt question DM for the point of saying they did, if not for the sake of finding LB.

 

[cartman]

Actually I'm a little surprised they didnt question DM for the point of saying they did, if not for the sake of finding LB.

This really surprises me as well. It's not like DM is doing anything else these days :facepalm:

 

[Snoofo]

This really surprises me as well. It's not like DM is doing anything else these days :facepalm:

He'd be the easiest person to locate from her calls list.

:drumroll:

 

[skatergirl]

This really surprises me as well. It's not like DM is doing anything else these days :facepalm:

Given that LE has stated DM hasn't spoken in TB's case, they have probably concluded he would do the same if questioned about LB's disappearance too MOO

 

[Alethea Dice]

On the FB group page, her aunt said that she had contacted another friend on July 5th and said that she was going to be going to stay with another person. The police do have the name of that person.

 

[Archangel7]

Hmm ... fancy !!

(Your link doesn't give that info tho. Are you per chance Mr. Harris trying to sell me one of your phones? jk, jk :floorlaugh

So if this is true, would it also be true that once LE had the phone number for the burner phone that DM/associates are believed to have used, LE could track where and when that burner phone had been physically located a a given time?

And the same could apply to SL's phone that had been in LB's possession?? Am wondering if that could be what instigated the TPS search at the farm.

I tried that link after I posted it and it wouldn't work. I posted another and please accept my apologies.

I have plausible deniability and I am not related to Harris or his shill. :floorlaugh:

On the burner phone question. Stingray is primarily a real time device, so actually having the burner phone in evidence will give LE evidence depending on the particular handset and how it was treated operationally(if off, leave off. If on leave on, etc.) until a communication forensic specialist gets it.

If the phone was handled properly, data could be pulled from it and the sim card including things like calenders, contacts and track depending on the original OEM capabilities of course. IMO, JMO

Here's an article about Stingray https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/...known-technological-threat-cell-phone-privacy

 

[Sillybilly]

If the phone was handled properly, data could be pulled from it and the sim card including things like calenders, contacts and track depending on the original OEM capabilities of course. IMO, JMO

<rsbm>

So, sounds like they would need the physical phone to accomplish that. We don't know if it was ever retrieved. Hopefully it was and they just aren't sharing that tidbit with us.

Thanks !!

 

[bessie]

Hmm ... fancy !!

(Your link doesn't give that info tho. Are you per chance Mr. Harris trying to sell me one of your phones? jk, jk :floorlaugh

So if this is true, would it also be true that once LE had the phone number for the burner phone that DM/associates are believed to have used, LE could track where and when that burner phone had been physically located a a given time?

And the same could apply to SL's phone that had been in LB's possession?? Am wondering if that could be what instigated the TPS search at the farm.

Theoretically, yes and yes, if the cell records exist (different carriers have different retention policies); and the law allows.

<rsbm>
So, sounds like they would need the physical phone to accomplish that. We don't know if it was ever retrieved. Hopefully it was and they just aren't sharing that tidbit with us.

Thanks !!

No, possession of the physical phone isn't necessary to track historical location data.

I have more information saved on this topic than you would ever want to read, and much of it deals with U.S. legal issues, but fwiw...

There are three basic methods used to track cellular phones: (1) GPS (Global Positioning System) technology; (2) capturing real-time cell site data; and (3) interpreting historical cell site data...
A GPS receiver can track in real-time or make a record of its location with accuracy up to a few meters.

Historical cell site data records the information a cellular company keeps on a phone and may show a history of prior location. Law enforcement can use this data to place a suspect at the scene of a crime that has already been committed or track history of previous movement.

On pdf p.15 is an example dealing with tracking a prepaid phone. If you're in the mood for reading, it's worth the time.

http://jolt.richmond.edu/v18i1/article3.pdf

Using a computer mapping program and "call detail" logs obtained from Sprint Nextel, agents plotted the locations of 42 cell sites in Bergen and Hudson counties and New York to track Kelvin L. Jones' movements as the armed robbery plot unfolded. Jones was convicted last month.

Cellular tracking of criminals -- including those like Jones who use prepaid mobile phones that can't easily be traced because there is no subscriber contract -- has become a cottage industry for the FBI.

http://www.standard.net/topics/cell...ng-cell-phones-track-criminals-movements-rise

The circumstances in the case of the Times Square Bomber are a little different because the phone records weren't used to place him at the scene of the crime, but rather to connect him to the vehicle and explosives. It's interesting here because the first clue was the vehicle's VIN number, which led to its former owner, who had just recently sold it to a guy with a burner phone.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/05/nyregion/05tictoc.html?pagewanted=all

In the past few years, the ACLU through FOIA acquired records from U.S. LE agencies and wireless providers nationwide. Here's one set of documents entitled "Cell Phone Records -- Training Materials" from the California District Attorney's Assn. Scroll down to p.29 for a list of records that can be requested. For example on p.31: H) Any other cellular telephone numbers that dial the same numbers as (*advertiser censored*)*advertiser censored*-xxxx.

If you're trying to trace the owner of burner phone number *advertiser censored*-xxxx, and the records show that *advertiser censored*-xxxx places regular calls to yyy-yyyy, you might want to see who else is calling yyy-yyyy. IF enough records are available the chances are you'll hit on a subscriber number, and now you've got a name, a lead, to the owner of burner phone *advertiser censored*-xxxx.

The set also includes provider invoices.

Related links:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/04/01/us/celltraining_documents.html?ref=us
http://www.zeit.de/datenschutz/malte-spitz-data-retention
http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2013/04/historical-data-needs-protection-as.html
http://www.informationweek.com/security/privacy/indoor-location-tracking-has-lost-common/240152165
http://www.aclu.org/cell-phone-loca...ponse-cell-phone-company-data-retention-chart

 

[Sillybilly]

Oh Bessie, that's mean ^^ ... west coast brain is just waking up here

:floorlaugh:

But Thank You anyway for the wealth of information !!

 

[THXGuru]

Sad to say, but what SB said about the remains of TB, I don't think LE will ever find LB.