Canada - Laura Babcock, 23, Toronto, 26 June 2012

[Alethea Dice]

Ms. Babcock and Mr. Millard had begun a sexual relationship in the first half of 2012 while Mr. Millard had a girlfriend, said Shawn Lerner, Ms. Babcock’s ex-boyfriend and close friend.

DM was a dirty dog of a boyfriend, IMO.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rge-in-mysterious-bosma-case/article12757899/

This is, at most, third hand information. The original report was:

A friend told him the two were involved in a romantic relationship.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/police-probe-link-between-dellen-millard-and-missing-woman/article12015795/

The "romantic" relationship has morphed into a "sexual" relationship. There are probably really only 2 people who know what their actual relationship was. Could be friends with benefits, could be a romantic interest on one side only, could be an actual real relationship, could be anything. If they were having a relationship, either romantic or sexual, I wouldn't think it odd that she called him 8 or 10 times in 3 days. JMO

 

[Eldee]

This is, at most, third hand information. The original report was:



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/police-probe-link-between-dellen-millard-and-missing-woman/article12015795/

The "romantic" relationship has morphed into a "sexual" relationship. There are probably really only 2 people who know what their actual relationship was. Could be friends with benefits, could be a romantic interest on one side only, could be an actual real relationship, could be anything. If they were having a relationship, either romantic or sexual, I wouldn't think it odd that she called him 8 or 10 times in 3 days. JMO

Could she have been pregnant and wanting his help.

 

[matou]

I meant dirty dog because he was cheating on his girlfriend with LB. I'm also totally convinced now that DM is directly involved in her disappearance and people know info about it. JMO

 

[cansleuther]

Are you able to list your perceived inconsistencies for us?

There are definitely inconstancies in MSM about why LB was trying to contact DM.

From CP24:

Lerner said Millard denied receiving Babcock’s calls until he showed him Babcock’s phone record. Millard then told him that Babcock had developed a drug problem and that he had been supplying her with cocaine for months.

http://www.cp24.com/police-probe-link-between-bosma-suspect-missing-woman-1.1286890

From City News:

Lerner claimed at first Millard denied having contact with Babcock but when he was confronted with the proof he told him she had called him looking for a place to stay and for drugs, but that he had denied her on both of those requests.

http://www.citynews.ca/2013/05/17/family-says-missing-toronto-woman-knew-dellen-millard/

 

[ArianeEmory]

I think a lot of the weirdness with the family and friends probably came from the fact that they didn't want to admit she was an escort.

 

[JPC]

I think a lot of the weirdness with the family and friends probably came from the fact that they didn't want to admit she was an escort.

That is what I have thought all along. Her mother still seems oddly "upbeat" in the interviews that I have seen and seems to be holding out hope that she will be coming home. I can only imagine what she may be going through emotionally.

I now wonder if LB was a casual fling on the side for DM in the beginning of 2012 but if she had an increasing drug dependency and was becoming irrational, less discreet and was a threat to his existing relationship or even worse, to his financial situation (may have gotten pregnant and would wanted child support, a part of his "dynasty") she may have needed to be eliminated. This is obviously 100% speculation. By June she could have been several months along in a pregnancy and looking for financial compensation and a place to live.

 

[Woodland]

Thank-you cansleuther for pointing out a (one) discrepancy with LB contacting DM.

Unfortunately it does not address the 'LB owing SL money' statement by Snoofo nor Snoofo's statement that SL's story changes with every reporting.

I find myself still filing the statements under 'in someone's opinion' rather than fact.

 

[Woodland]

I think a lot of the weirdness with the family and friends probably came from the fact that they didn't want to admit she was an escort.

I hear you - many family members of Picton's victims didn't want to say much either - where does this leave LB's family and the public at large?

FWIW I find your thought slightly on the offensive side as a member of the public wondering what happened to another member of society, and because you are feeding the TPS notion that certain members of society aren't worth looking for.

 

[JPC]

I hear you - many family members of Picton's victims didn't want to say much either - where does this leave LB's family and the public at large?

FWIW I find your thought slightly on the offensive side as a member of the public wondering what happened to another member of society, and because you are feeding the TPS notion that certain members of society aren't worth looking for.

Of course it is offensive and not helpful to the victims or potential victims but it is tough to deny that there is still a negative stigma against sex trade workers, members of the community who lead high risk lifestyles and transient populations. Sad but true.

 

[ArianeEmory]

I hear you - many family members of Picton's victims didn't want to say much either - where does this leave LB's family and the public at large?

FWIW I find your thought slightly on the offensive side as a member of the public wondering what happened to another member of society, and because you are feeding the TPS notion that certain members of society aren't worth looking for.

What? I'm not feeding anything, I'm speculating based on the fact that her family has been reticent and that there was a lot of chatter among her FB friends about whether they wanted the media to know all of her "proclivities", which was a piece of the puzzle that never fit for a lot of us until the exact nature of their concerns came out. Acknowledging that her friends/family may have feared LE would take her less seriously as a sex worker has absolutely no bearing on my personal opinion of sex workers, which is almost certainly on the liberal side of the spectrum for this forum.

I think TPS absolutely used the fact strategically, and that presser in general was really gross.

 

[Woodland]

Of course it is offensive and not helpful to the victims or potential victims but it is tough to deny that there is still a negative stigma against sex trade workers, members of the community who lead high risk lifestyles and transient populations. Sad but true.

Just what I was trying to say is wrong with LE thinking. She is worth looking for, right? Rhetorical only.

 

[Woodland]

What? I'm not feeding anything, I'm speculating based on the fact that her family has been reticent and that there was a lot of chatter among her FB friends about whether they wanted the media to know all of her "proclivities", which was a piece of the puzzle that never fit for a lot of us until the exact nature of their concerns came out. Acknowledging that her friends/family may have feared LE would take her less seriously as a sex worker has absolutely no bearing on my personal opinion of sex workers, which is almost certainly on the liberal side of the spectrum for this forum.

I think TPS absolutely used the fact strategically, and that presser in general was really gross.

Just your speculation - I get it.

 

[JPC]

Just what I was trying to say is wrong with LE thinking. She is worth looking for, right? Rhetorical only.

Absolutely.

 

[kaRN]

Could she have been pregnant and wanting his help.

Maybe but other than psychological support, help with what? Abortion is legal and covered by OHIP. All her medical expenses would have been covered and she isn't entitled to child support until a child is born.

 

[ReignBRF]

I think a lot of the weirdness with the family and friends probably came from the fact that they didn't want to admit she was an escort.

Perhaps DM got her pregnant and that might not be the news he would want to hear.

 

[Archangel7]

I wonder if LE even checked Vegas? Easy enough to request looking at prostitution arrests
and victim of assault reports to see if she shows up.

 

[Blomquist]

I meant dirty dog because he was cheating on his girlfriend with LB. I'm also totally convinced now that DM is directly involved in her disappearance and people know info about it. JMO

How do we know he was cheating on his girlfriend? Where does it say this?

 

[matou]

See post #901 with link.

 

[bessie]

Friendly reminder: When posting observations, please be mindful that WS is a victim friendly board, and that extends to the family and friends of the victim. Word your statements carefully to avoid misunderstandings, and as always, be sure to include links.

Thanks!

 

[Snoofo]

Thank-you cansleuther for pointing out a (one) discrepancy with LB contacting DM.

Unfortunately it does not address the 'LB owing SL money' statement by Snoofo nor Snoofo's statement that SL's story changes with every reporting.

I find myself still filing the statements under 'in someone's opinion' rather than fact.

Woodland you are absolutely correct that I should have qualified my comments with a MOO! I should know better by now but I probably thought the way I stated my thoughts was obviously MOO. While we are on the topic of how I stated my comment I thought I was careful to say that LS was acting admirably for someone who might have been owed money and might have had his property stolen by LB. The might haves are self-explanatory but for clarity I will say i never claimed and am not even suggesting SL felt he was owed anything or was owed anything. I will go further to say that when I wrote that I was drawing a contrast in my mind that many gents I know would be pissed feeling used or owed vs. SL's admirable actions of concern for LB.

The following comment may have led you to feel negativity in the earlier comment.

I mentioned the inconsistencies in SL's statements. 90% of the time that I post I do so on my cell phone or ipad (such as now) while hanging with my lively children around me and it is difficult enough for me to complete a post on WS let alone navigate the news links while I post, so I did not provide backup and thank can sleuther for providing the one set of links. I will do my homework and post links as soon as I can get to a pc thats not at work, but off the top of my head is this:
1. The supplying drugs vs, denying requests is the big one and most substantive therefore truly puzzling.
2. Number of times LB called DM (that DM denied until phone bill produced).
3. The nature of LB/DM friendship.
Those are off the top of my head.

So until I produce the goods (and I will!) this is all IMO and for the record I'm not trying to slam someone who has gone out of their way to help another when he owes her nothing (back to the idea that, if he wanted to see it that way, she owes him - which might lead others in his position to care less for her well-being). Certainly if I fell of the face of the Earth tomorrow I should hope for friends like SL.

"Changes with every reporting" was a figure of speech and ImO

I would also like to point out that I mentioned the inconsistency in the drug supply vs. declining awhile back and specifically noted one of SL's comments was a direct quote while the other was not in fact in placed quotations (so, paraphrasing from the interview or reporter's misunderstanding). It could be the case with the other inconsistencies.

Over and out.