CANADA - Lucas Fowler, Australian & Chynna Deese, American, murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #2

[Seattle1]

If she was in plain sight, I'll bet every man's head swiveled when he saw a lithe young woman in shorts with long blonde-brown hair by the side of the road. I think this would be "notable" to anyone driving past.

It's interesting that the mechanic with the relatives who had stopped to talk to Lucas about assisting with the car isn't quoted by LE as saying anything about her. Was Lucas telling her to stay out of sight?

I doubt Lucas told CD to stay out of sight. There are several video clips of mechanic Curtis and his wife where his wife describes CD (and LF) as confident, relaxed, sitting on garden chairs having lunch in spite of their vehicle problem. Most recently the couple were cited expressing their condolences for the couples parents.

 

[rb63]

I was thinking BB type gun if someone was living in the bush to fend off small animals for some reason if they didn't have access to a "real gun". Small caliber pistol makes sense too. I have always assumed gunshots are messy and not a clean wound, but that might depend on range one is shot and type of gun used.

Like grizzly's and black bear?

 

[Inthedetails]

.223 rifle would usually be a less than 1/4 inch entry. In combat I have seen tiny 1/4 inch and remarkably clean entry and exit or clean entry and huge mass trauma exit. Same can happen with 9mm pistol round although slightly bigger entry.

If you are looking at a face down body that has been shot in the back of the head the entry wound could be totally covered by hair and while the face could be intact or profoundly traumatized. In fact an entry wound can look like a scratch or anything, lots of variables.

But didn't also say they were very pale? Which seems to indicate he saw their faces. It's confusing to read what he saw and then to know the bodies were not in a state for open casket.

jmo

 

[zecats]

Like grizzly's and black bear?

Def not small animals and they are out there. Grizzlies from Montana to Alaska. Black bear more prevalent probably.

 

[Zella]

But didn't also say they were very pale? Which seems to indicate he saw their faces. It's confusing to read what he saw and then to know the bodies were not in a state for open casket.

jmo

If I remember correctly, the detail about a closed casket has only been mentioned in relation to Chynna. I assume if they were in shorts and short-sleeved shirts, their skin would still look very pale.

But I agree some of what the roadworker has said seems a bit unusual given what we know. I get the impression he is omitting talking about the state of CD's body because she was in much worse shape.

 

[Zella]

Like grizzly's and black bear?

I can see a BB gun working on small nuisance animals, but I don't think I'd dare try to shoot a bear with one! Just seems like a good way to make the bear madder!

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Like grizzly's and black bear?

No I was thinking more pesty small animals. My spouse lived in the bush (not way out but still in the forest) and had a bb gun by his bed for small animals (a rat would visit in the night) and in case of a bear (doubtful to work on a large animal, but he had a couple instances with a bear his dog scared away) because he had no real gun or gun license. I'm not a bush person though, can you tell? I'm unaware of guns and their use on animals lol

 

[Elsa Johanssen]

It's possible that this man keeps screwing up because he needs domestic documents but he targeted foreigners. He needs money, most definitely. Wondering if there were any missing documents at the scene.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

If the cases are related, why leave the older man and couple out to be found but teens hidden?

Hypothetical here - but let's say the teens aren't victims. Their families were confused why they were back in BC after not getting work in the Yukon. They saved money from working at Walmart. Would they decide to go on a crime road trip for a thrill? I'm thinking not, but still baffled why they can't be found.

 

[Satchie]

Finally caught up.

I noticed a few questions unanswered:
- the drive is through mountains, that's often hard on a van's engine
- police are about 4 hours away, Trevor Pierre was likely living closer by, perhaps essential parks and highway people are stationed at Liaird Hot Springs. He says he had to protect the site for hours until police arrived. So police wouldn't have responded to the earlier report of a breakdown.
-There's poor cellphone coverage, it depends on your provider and your location, if mountains block the tower.
- I don't know what it would mean to say the killer was likely 'local', this isn't a place people just go to live. I think if you get a job there at one of the tourist facilities, or on a highway crew, fishing camp, etc, you're supplied with housing as well. But you'd have to be working full time in the summer, this is their busy time. The closest place someone might live is Fort Nelson, or Watson Lake in the Yukon, both very small places.

I agree that the person was likely familiar with the area, possibly it's an area they like to go for recreation: hunting or fishing, but those people live some place else. ETA: the area is all government-owned land, no private property.

 

[Inthedetails]

If the cases are related, why leave the older man and couple out to be found but teens hidden?

Hypothetical here - but let's say the teens aren't victims. Their families were confused why they were back in BC after not getting work in the Yukon. They saved money from working at Walmart. Would they decide to go on a crime road trip for a thrill? I'm thinking not, but still baffled why they can't be found.

It could be that the teens were left in a similar way but haven't been detected yet by anyone.

jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

Finally caught up.

I noticed a few questions unanswered:
- the drive is through mountains, that's often hard on a van's engine
- police are about 4 hours away, Trevor Pierre was likely living closer by, perhaps essential parks and highway people are stationed at Liaird Hot Springs. He says he had to protect the site for hours until police arrived. So police wouldn't have responded to the earlier report of a breakdown.
-There's poor cellphone coverage, it depends on your provider and your location, if mountains block the tower.
- I don't know what anyone it would mean to say the killer was likely 'local', this isn't a place people just go to live. I think if you get a job there at one of the tourist facilities, or on a highway crew, fishing camp, etc, you're supplied with housing as well. But you'd have to be working full time in the summer, this is their busy time. The closest place someone might live is Fort Nelson, or Watson Lake in the Yukon, both very small places.

I agree that the person was likely familiar with the area, possibly it's an area they like to go for recreation: hunting or fishing, but those people pretty much live some place else.

Could it be possible that their phone service didn't work if they had plans that didn't cover Canada? Probably unlikely (IDK) and they were experienced travelers so likely knew how to get coverage for anywhere they went.

jmo

 

[StarryStarryNight]

https://7news.com.au/news/crime/luc...-of-texas-murder-suspect-in-the-area-c-361152

Well then, it doesn't appear to be a good day for Derek Whisenand. It does kind of set you back in your chair.

He does look a lot like the sketch.
As does Fidel Castro...

 

[rb63]

It could be that the teens were left in a similar way but haven't been detected yet by anyone.

jmo

Maybe they were at a campsite

 

[Inthedetails]

He does look a lot like the sketch.
As does Fidel Castro...

Lol, that made me laugh.

 

[dotr]

https://7news.com.au/news/crime/luc...-of-texas-murder-suspect-in-the-area-c-361152

Well then, it doesn't appear to be a good day for Derek Whisenand. It does kind of set you back in your chair.

Here is the (surprisingly quiet) Ws thread for the fugitive..
RCMP warning,Texas murder suspect,Derek Whisenand, crossed border into Manitoba.

 

[Ran]

I was thinking BB type gun if someone was living in the bush to fend off small animals for some reason if they didn't have access to a "real gun". Small caliber pistol makes sense too. I have always assumed gunshots are messy and not a clean wound, but that might depend on range one is shot and type of gun used.

It isn't hard to get a real gun as in rifle in Canada at all.
And 9mm is not a small caliber pistol but a mid caliber.
.22" would be small but certainly capable of killing with ahead shot, .223" about hte same diameter but longer and with much higher velocity (it is the standard caliber for NATO combat soldiers, 9mm is next in size of the major calibers, then .40" then .45.

it is canada so it more likely a rifle. any actual firearm rifle can easily kill.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Could it be that the perpetrator(s), being on the run... stole the boys' vehicle and went as far as they could with it, burned it to destroy evidence, and are now in the vehicle they stole from the unidentified deceased man?

And of an obvious scenario, sorry if it's been posted already... I'm still following with very limited connectivity.

Edit: Reason I've posted it in this thread, is that I mean it would be the initial shooting that the perpetrator would be on the run from.

A good scenario I think. Perhaps also the perp was trying to steal CD and LF van, killed them in the confrontation, but then found it would not run. This happening before or after your scenario.

 

[MesquiteO21]

If I remember correctly, the detail about a closed casket has only been mentioned in relation to Chynna. I assume if they were in shorts and short-sleeved shirts, their skin would still look very pale.

But I agree some of what the roadworker has said seems a bit unusual given what we know. I get the impression he is omitting talking about the state of CD's body because she was in much worse shape.

if true, this would be interesting. why would CD's body be in worse shape/have more damage? could that be a clue...the killer was more violent with her than LF? hmm...

 

[greenfern]

still baffled why they can't be found.

Probably because this is an unbelievably massive, unpopulated wilderness. They could be just a couple of feet into the woods and not be found.