CANADA - Lucas Fowler & Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #6

[musicaljoke]

the fact that there is no charge laid regarding this couple and their death vs a 2nd-degree murder for the gentleman, seems to illuminate a possible fact that there is no proof they killed the couple.
maybe, the couple was murdered by someone else?

Oh don't make that assumption. The RCMP has all the time in the world to make further charges. The facts of the Canada wide warrant plus all the resources put into finding these fugitives suggests that there is solid proof that they are the murderers.

RCMP won't likely reveal their evidence until the trial. And that will be a long time from now.

 

[Castlinghigh]

Bryer's mom
https://www.albernivalleynews.com/news/bryer-schmegelskys-mother-pleads-with-him-to-come-home-safe/

 

[Xyzzia]

I just notice that there is not one word from either mother. I could try to speculate why, but the silence is deafening, IMO.

Yes Breyers mother wrote a note and sent it out to the paper. Here's a couple links to the note:

https://www.thefreepress.ca/

Mother of teen Canadian murder suspect pleads for her 'caring and loving boy' to come home safe | Daily Mail Online

 

[SteveP]

Exactly. Why hasn't LE explained why they think they murdered them. You have to be some hard assed, crazy, desperate person to kill two young people in cold blood, leave the area, hang around for days, then burn your only resource, and kill another human being in cold blood. Again; doesn't fit the profile of those two.

LE in Canada, perhaps even moreso than LE in the states, are not going to try a case in the media. It is important that they think BS and KM are the murderers of these victims, but unless and until you are a juror on a case, it is not important that you know everything that LE knows. We, the public, for some reason, often feel like we have a right to know something, just because we want to know. We don't. And just because these murders may not fit your profile of the two suspects, I would wager to guess it is because, again, you don't know what LE knows. JMO

 

[SteveP]

He mentions his birthday - July 25, two days ago. I wonder if his son remembered his dad’s bday and tried calling him.

I guess he had no need for candles on a birthday cake, because the kid apparently has all the matches.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

Ok, so I’m trying to understand the distribution of LE in Canada. I’m not criticizing - just trying to understand. I realize your federal LE took four hours to get there. I can not compare that to ur FBI response time because I don’t think our FBI would have been called in immediately on this anyway. Our systems are very different, I think.

What I’m curious about is the distribution of more local LE. In the US we have State Police, County Sheriff’s department, city/town police, and in some areas constables (which are not full-fledged LE, but can do some LE types of things). So here, in my experience in the Midwest and south, villages of less than 1K probably do not have town cops, but towns/villages of 2K or more might. The ones that do not have their own town cop or two rely on a response from the County Sheriff’s department. And state police are never too far away.

So, in Canada, might the closest “local LE” be over an hour away, then? Was there no local LE closer to the scene than the feds?

I’m also curious about lesser crimes in areas like this. Who do you call if you’ve been robbed, for instance? In other words, whose jurisdiction is this, where the tourists were found? Is there not LE more local than the RCMP, because surely they are not investigating garden variety crimes in places like this.

In Canada, cities and larger towns have their own police department. Ontario and Quebec have provincial police forces, similar to state police, that serve rural communities. In BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba, the province contracts the RCMP as its provincial police force. In this case, the RCMP are acting as a provincial force, not as a federal force.

This is the B.C./Federal Agreement that governs this for British Columbia: https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/l...reements/police-agreement-provincial-2012.pdf

 

[Errrr]

No wonder BS has major issues!

The wife either. The tainted blood scandal happened in the eighties. If his son was conceived 19 years ago then someone with AIDS wasn’t using protection. At least, according to his book.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I/we can understand that you feel that something like this tarnishes your country, but (fortunately) it doesn’t. People will still (me included, always been on my to-do list) want to travel there and the people are held in high regard. That won’t change.

Yeah, generally I think we Americans probably view this as random and out of the ordinary for Canada. Plus, Americans continue to travel to a lot of other places - other countries - where the crime risks are much higher. Actually, we also continue to travel to cities in our own states that have pretty high crime rates. At most, a few people might reschedule any trips to this area that they had planned this month or next month. But I don’t see any long term effects on tourism from Americans going to Canada.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

In Canada, cities and larger towns have their own police department. Ontario and Quebec have provincial police forces, similar to state police, that serve rural communities. In BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba, the province contracts the RCMP as its provincial police force. In this case, the RCMP are acting as a provincial force, not as a federal force.

So the closest local level police force in this area did not have jurisdiction? So do people really call the RCMP if you live there and are robbed? I’m trying to understand how smaller crime is dealt with in the area.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

So the closest local level police force in this area did not have jurisdiction? So do people really call the RCMP if you live there and are robbed? I’m trying to understand how smaller crime is dealt with in the area.

In the area where the murders happened, the RCMP is the local police force. Because of the geographic distances when you get that far north, and the low population density, there can be significant distances between RCMP detachments.

In other words, northern RCMP detachments cover large geographic areas. This is clearly not understood by some posters, who appear to think that one should be able to call the police and expect them to show up in 15 minutes. This is the north, not Vancouver or New York City

I imagine that the situation is similar in Alaska.

As for robberies, they just don’t happen in areas like that. That’s why the woman who was interviewed who ran an area store and gave them coffee was so astonished. This is a truly extraordinary crime.

 

[kath4557]

Well please come visit one day. I think I can speak for the majority; you will love it and be treated with the utmost respect. We love our visitors.

True! I live about 100 miles of the border and visit Canada often. I'm an American that wishes I lived in Canada. You guys rock!

 

[cody22]

If there was a near fatal car wreck with people in bad medical shape, in the double murder scene area, would it take four hours for the injured to be taken to a good hospital ?..... No helicopter medical evac ?.............moo

 

[Estrojane]

The wife either. The tainted blood scandal happened in the eighties. If his son was conceived 19 years ago then someone with AIDS wasn’t using protection. At least, according to his book.

???

 

[Deleted member 158085]

In the area where the murders happened, the RCMP is the local police force. Because of the geographic distances when you get that far north, and the low population density, there can be significant distances between RCMP detachments.

In other words, northern RCMP detachments cover large geographic areas. This is clearly not understood by some posters, who appear to think that one should be able to call the police and expect them to show up in 15 minutes. This is the north, not Vancouver or New York City

Ok, well I do modify my earlier comment, then, about visiting. I think now, knowing LE might be 4 hours + away, I would still visit Canada but not areas this remote, as much as I’d like to see them. I’m guessing most Americans who visit have no idea just how far away they are from LE. They likely assume Canada has local LE in place, with an hour response time tops for the more remote areas like this.

Still love Canada, but I personally would feel too vulnerable to be that far away from any LE. (I didn’t realize until now how much I take our US LE for granted. I’m extra glad I stopped to shake the hand of a female state trooper I saw at a gas station in a village of 600 people the other day.)

 

[Deleted member 248860]

If there was a near fatal car wreck with people in bad medical shape, in the double murder scene area, would it take four hours for the injured to be taken to a good hospital ?..... No helicopter medical evac ?.............moo

I think that that’s a different issue. If somebody calls from an accident scene and says that there’s an urgent need for an ambulance, it is possible to send a helicopter. They are fairly routinely used in remote communities. But I have no hard information on this.

 

[jmcgladr]

If there was a near fatal car wreck with people in bad medical shape, in the double murder scene area, would it take four hours for the injured to be taken to a good hospital ?..... No helicopter medical evac ?.............moo

I live in BC, and people in rural areas here are often medivaced to the nearest big city (generally Vancouver) for treatment. Can’t speak for Manitoba, but likely the same resources are available. I would imagine the only issue might be finding a way to communicate the crash/injuries, if they are in an area with sparse habitation and no cell phone service/internet, etc. People I know who have cabins in remote areas of BC have satellite phones for emergencies. But once first responders hear of a serious injury accident, they are quick to respond.

 

[SteveP]

The wife either. The tainted blood scandal happened in the eighties. If his son was conceived 19 years ago then someone with AIDS wasn’t using protection. At least, according to his book.

I think you are confusing BS's dad with BS's grandfather. I believe it is supposedly the dad's father that contracted AIDS, supposedly due to tainted blood, not BS's dad.

 

[JuneBug67]

So the closest local level police force in this area did not have jurisdiction? So do people really call the RCMP if you live there and are robbed? I’m trying to understand how smaller crime is dealt with in the area.

First of all, nobody is probably getting robbed up there. As another poster described previously, caring is sharing in the extreme north, and people watch out for one another. If something is missing, people assume somebody needed it, and that it will come back. People don’t lock their doors, on houses or cars. Something I learned following this case is that in places like Churchill where polar bears may be present, the public safety instruction is to jump into the nearest vehicle for protection. So not locking your car doors is an active, purposeful expectation up there.

People in rural/wilderness areas of all but Ontario and Quebec do call the RCMP for any police requirements. But they’re not performing their federal role in these instances, they’re essentially contracted to perform the role of state troopers.

 

[Kubirai]

The Globe and Mail:

Searching for answers: Sense of unease lingers in B.C.’s isolated north as police hunt suspects in remote killings

Mentions Kam/Bryer spent the night of July 18/19 near Dease Lake.

My hunch is that they spent July 17/18 night near Watson Lake. So that leaves 2 previous nights July 16/17 and July 15/16 for Whitehorse, if they actually went there.

It is still not clear if they left Port Alberni on July 12 or 13, and where they spent the critical July 13/14 night.

Did they come across Lucas/Chynna on Alaska Highway, before their van breakdown? If yes, it would have been on July 13 or 14.

 

[jmcgladr]

Thanks, that makes sense. All of these are considerably closer to more LE resources than where the couple was murdered—and close enough to other towns that the highways between are likely patrolled routinely. As remote as those locations are, population density is still much higher than around these crime scenes.

The remoteness of these crime scenes certainly seems to have been a deliberate choice by these killers. Perhaps to allow themselves more time and space to get away before the crimes were discovered. Though it’s kind of contradictory that they killed their victim and their suspected victims right alongside major highways, and burned vehicles (drawing much attention) instead of hiding them. Hard to understand their mindset.