GUILTY Canada - Paul Bernardo & Karla Homolka, murdered, 1993

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What bothers me the most is that she got a deal for 12 years in exchange for her testimony against Bernardo. But I believe that deal was done before the authorities knew the full extent of her involvement in the crimes. Once they found evidence of how involved she was they wished they had not made the deal but it was too late then to renege. So she really got lucky. Had they investigated further prior to making any deals she would not have been offered anything and would have been imprisoned for life. So really, it does not bother me in the least that she is not being left alone to live her life in peace. I feel very sorry for her children but for Karla, not a bit.

All IMO based on my knowledge of the investigation of the case.

Correct. This was a deal the Crown did thinking KH was a victim of domestic violence. When they saw videos of her raping the murder victims they were aghast. Idiots.
 
What bothers me the most is that she got a deal for 12 years in exchange for her testimony against Bernardo. But I believe that deal was done before the authorities knew the full extent of her involvement in the crimes. Once they found evidence of how involved she was they wished they had not made the deal but it was too late then to renege. So she really got lucky. Had they investigated further prior to making any deals she would not have been offered anything and would have been imprisoned for life. So really, it does not bother me in the least that she is not being left alone to live her life in peace. I feel very sorry for her children but for Karla, not a bit.

All IMO based on my knowledge of the investigation of the case.
The thing is it wasn't too late as her deal was contingent upon her telling the truth and all of it. She didn't tell about the girl who was raped and survived until later and made it sound like she was having like breakthroughs in repressed memories because she'd been shown a still from a video that showed her molesting a girl who wasn't French or Mahaffey. I need to read them again but this info was in the two books... Gosh I only remember that the author's first name is Stephen.
 
Stephen Williams. "Invisible Darkness" and "Karla" are the titles.
 
The thing is it wasn't too late as her deal was contingent upon her telling the truth and all of it. She didn't tell about the girl who was raped and survived until later and made it sound like she was having like breakthroughs in repressed memories because she'd been shown a still from a video that showed her molesting a girl who wasn't French or Mahaffey. I need to read them again but this info was in the two books... Gosh I only remember that the author's first name is Stephen.

The other girl was Karla's younger sister.
 
I feel very bad at the thoughts that KH was allowed to have children, when she took the lives of children. I feel really bad that there are 3 innocent children that have a murderous raping mother, no child should have that kind of a mother.

I pray she has no peace in life, that she is shunned and ran out of every community within Canada, she should never have had children, she made selfish choices and now 3 innocent children will suffer because of what their mother is.

I do find it very sick of her to use the last name of Teale, when that was a surname that PB used.
 
Homolka's kids shouldn't be harassed, teased, bullied, or mistreated by others. They are innocent. But Homolka and her husband are adults, they are parents and are fully aware of the fact that their kids will have a difficult time socially while growing up because of her past life as a pedophile serial killer.
If Homolka had any decency or concern for the children (especially teenager girls) in the community, she would have let others know that she was there. Instead she chose to keep her identity hush. This shows that she is still a deceptive, dishonest woman.

As we all know, children cannot pick and choose their parents, and they end up with the raw end of the deal. :innocent:
This must be very confusing for them as I cannot even imagine.
 
The other girl was Karla's younger sister.
No, there was one girl who didn't die. She's only identified as a Jane Doe. They killed her sister, Tammy, he kidnapped and they killed Leslie Mahaffey, and they together kidnapped and killed Kristen French. Jane was one of Tammy's friends who Karla presented to Paul as a wedding gift and whom they drugged a and raped more than once.

Personally, I think Karla killed all the girls purposely. I don't believe Tammy was an "accident," or that Paul killed the two others.
 
No, there was one girl who didn't die. She's only identified as a Jane Doe. They killed her sister, Tammy, he kidnapped and they killed Leslie Mahaffey, and they together kidnapped and killed Kristen French. Jane was one of Tammy's friends who Karla presented to Paul as a wedding gift and whom they drugged a and raped more than once.

Personally, I think Karla killed all the girls purposely. I don't believe Tammy was an "accident," or that Paul killed the two others.

I do think Tammy was an accident of sorts. Mind you, I completely believe she offered to get the drugs from the vet shop, drug her and let Paul rape her, but I don't think they anticipated she would die. Once she did die, they were bound by this secret that gave them a sense of power... killing became too thrilling. jmho
 
plea deals like the one kh received are double edged swords. they allow most accused to talk freely, free up court time/save money and remove the need for traumatized victims and their loved ones to testify but also there's the downside as seen with kh. i've also read that the crown was fearful that no one would take a plea deal in the future if they renigged on kh's deal.

Despite the apparent safeguards in the agreement, Homolka's deal raised a number of long-standing public concerns about such negotiations, particularly when they involve serious crimes. Many lawyers admit that such privately negotiated plea bargains create skepticism about the justice system. But they also argue that prearranged guilty pleas and sentences are essential to keep the system working.

more @ http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/homolkas-plea-bargain-revealed/
 
I really feel there should have a ban on her being alone with minor children period......she's a predator. If she had been a he there would have been more strenuous restrictions for release.
 
as for pb not killing til her met kh, she'd never been in trouble with the law til she met him iirc.
 
I agree with an earlier poster who commented on the fact that her family seem to have forgiven her. I have 3 young adult children. I think you can forgive people of many bad things they might have done. But I do not think that if one of my children did such a heinous act upon their sibling, my child, my tolerance level for forgiveness would be zero. Even if she seemed remorseful and had apologized profusely, I would still turn my back. I have a soft heart, it takes a lot to rile me up. But this goes WAY beyond a forgivable act.

Her selfishness knows no bounds. Having children, knowing that they would find out (absolutely no way it would remain a secret forever) was the epitome of just "not giving a damn". We can say, in honesty, how we think the community should leave the children alone so they can live a normal life. Fact is that unless 100% of the people are willing to include Karla's children in birthday parties, sleepovers, sports teams, and while doing this NOT be obvious over their hatred/fear over Karla, then NORMAL is a pipe-dream. It is an impossibility. It is very possible that they already know some of their mother's story (they have to explain somehow what is going on). Even if they don't know part of all of the story yet, it's just a matter of time. Those children are going to need serious therapy. I just cannot imagine. Their mother's crimes are so vile, their mother is hated across Canada and beyond, their mother has showed no remorse. There is no getting beyond this. Her type of mental illness is not curable. I just pray that the children, at least up to this point in time, have had a normal childhood. They may well gauge their life as "before we knew" and "after we knew". Their lives will be forever changed. How very very sad.

I didn't see KH's smiling photos from her years in jail (country club). Smiling, hair/makeup done. A lover (should any prisoner be allowed to have a sex life???). She seemed like she was really enjoying herself. And she got a psychology degree, at our expense. She would NEVER be able to be employed as a psychologist. Can you even imagine that? So she got a taxpayer funded degree in something she cannot use. If she had learned anything from the degree, then she should have known the having children was problematic, for THEM. She only thought of herself. And I also don't understand why any man would marry and have children with this woman. By that alone I would surmise that this man has some issues as well.
 
how? she's under no conditions or restrictions. she can't ever be forced to listen to it or anything else.

I'll write it again. The letter should be read to Karla Homolka every year on her birthday. How? I'm sure there are a variety of ways. The community could light some candles in remembrance of Karla's victims during a vigil in front of Karla's home and read the letter to her. This can be done peacefully. The community could place ribbons of remembrance around the community in honour of the victims for a day.
The community can come together and decide. Doing so doesn't violate Karla's rights, but it does send a message to her that the community and Canada will not allow her to act as if she is just a regular homemaker, fellow parent, and neighbour.
 
I'll write it again. The letter should be read to Karla Homolka every year on her birthday. How? I'm sure there are a variety of ways. The community could light some candles in remembrance of Karla's victims during a vigil in front of Karla's home and read the letter to her. This can be done peacefully. The community could place ribbons of remembrance around the community in honour of the victims for a day.
The community can come together and decide. Doing so doesn't violate Karla's rights, but it does send a message to her that the community and Canada will not allow her to act as if she is just a regular homemaker, fellow parent, and neighbour.

they can read it over and over til they are blue in the face. can't make her listen.
btw, the letter isn't from "canada". it's authored by one person iirc.
 
It pains me that she has made three children who have to suffer. But I would not want to have a relationship with her by having her kids to my house.

Maybe she can change. Who knows. But it is a risk
 
Redheadedgirl:

Yes, you are pretty much correct, Karla would not likely be able to hang a shingle and start taking in clients as their psychologist with only her Psychology Degree....but there are other careers in and related to psychology. Below I found these career options online. I highlit those that would be especially interesting for Karla.

Following a BA or BSc degree in psychology, some students opt not to pursue a career in psychology while others do. For the former, many of the abilities and skills that one obtained as a psychology student can be used in careers that are not directly related to psychology. For the latter, there are three general paths a student can pursue.

1. Psychology as a career: A bachelor's degree (B.A. or B.Sc.) is the first step on the road to graduate-level training to become a psychologist. To call yourself a psychologist, you must complete at least a Master's degree and normally a PhD in psychology. This applies both to research careers (e.g., university professor) and becoming a practising psychologist. There are several areas of specialization for those who wish to pursue post-graduate training at the master's or doctoral level; within each area, one may choose sub-specialties in which to teach, conduct research, be a practitioner, or some combination of these three activities.

2. Careers open to Graduates with a B.A. or a B.Sc. and in which psychology is relevant: Both the skills and knowledge acquired through the baccalaureate programs provide preparation for a variety of career fields, including but not limited to personnel, labour relations, social services, technical writing, corrections, probation, parole, marketing and public relations, gerontology, health services, fundraising and mental health. A bachelor's degree in psychology often serves as a valuable preliminary step to other professional careers such as medicine, law, management, social work, and education.

3. Careers built on psychology skills and knowledge: Psychology graduates also sometimes pursue careers in, for example, law, journalism and business. This often requires further study.
Possible Employment and Careers

Presented below are many of the careers upon which psychology majors can embark. At first glance, some of these careers may appear unrelated to the discipline of psychology; however, a closer look highlights the importance of the "core competencies" and skills that psychology majors acquire during their studies.

Addictions counsellor, Administration, Advertising, Career/employment counsellor, Case worker, Child care worker, Child welfare worker, Community worker, Correctional officer, Counsellor, Cultural diversity consultant, Customs or immigration agent, Day care worker, supervisor, Educational counsellor, Entrepreneur, Fund-raiser or development officer, Gerontology, Government researcher, Health services, Hospice coordinator, Human resources, Immigration officer Labour relations specialist, Manager, Market research analyst, Marketing, Mental health worker, Motivational researcher, Personnel, Population studies researcher, Probation or parole officer, Professional consultant, Program coordinator, Psychiatric assistant or aide, Public health statistician, Public opinion interviewer, Public relations, Psychology professor, Recreation specialist, Research assistant, Sales representative, Social services, Social worker, Teaching, Technical writer, Travel agent, Youth worker

As for her psychology degree, I found this online:


Homolka took correspondence courses in sociology through nearby Queen's University which initially caused a media storm. Homolka was required to pay all fees, as well as her personal needs, from her fortnightly income of about $69, although, she told author Stephen Williams in a subsequent letter, "I did get some financial assistance". Homolka later graduated with a Bachelor's degree in Psychology from Queen's. News of Homolka's self-improvement courses was greeted in the media with disdain: "Nothing has changed. Concepts of remorse, repentance, shame, responsibility and atonement have no place in the universe of Karla. Perhaps she simply lacks the moral gene," wrote another Globe columnist, Margaret Wente.


So, not sure who supplied the $69 every other week (taxpayers I'd guess). And this would have to cover her toiletries. There is no way there is enough left over to pay for a degree at Queen's. My daughter took a psychology degree, it cost A LOT more than Karla's. Karla admitted to having financial assistance. In reality she's not employable ... except perhaps in an at-home job where nobody knows who they are working with.
 

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