CANADA Canada - Shannon White, 32, missed work, left pet, Kamloops, BC, 1 Nov 2021

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The stock answer from the police about the time goes like this:

..........According to Kamloops RCMP, police have received information confirming White’s vehicle left town for a 45-minute period on Nov. 1, shortly after she was supposed to have arrived at work. Her vehicle was spotted travelling west on the Trans Canada Highway, leading officers to the Inks Lake area that was being searched on Nov. 12.....

Travel trailer the focus of police search belongs to ex-boyfriend of missing Kamloops woman - Kamloops This Week

She was due to be in work at 8.30 am. Their statement could mean that just after 8.30 her jeep left town for 45 minutes. So the time it was parked at the church could have been 9.15 rather than 8.45.

I'm not sure the 45 min time period ends at Nicola St. I suspect they have traffic cam video of the jeep leaving town and then similar video on its way back into town 45 min later. It's not clear how much time elapsed between when it re-entered town and when it arrived at Nicola St. MOO
 
It's more likely that the ex-boyfriend confronted her and entered her vehicle at some point on her way to work (either in her driveway, at her coffee stop, or in workplace parking lot). It looks as if he drove with her west to Inks Lake where possible foul play occurred. He would have then dropped the jeep at Nicola St in front of the church. Perhaps he felt remorse and entered the church to seek forgiveness. Anyway, it would be a relatively short walk back to his trailer. This is all MOO
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No link, but it was just on the local news that the Jeep was also parked near a hospital, so the closest hospital to Sacred Heart Cathedral at 255 Nicola would be Royal Inland Hospital at 311 Columbia (1 min. drive / 4 min. walk).

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I'm not sure the 45 min time period ends at Nicola St. I suspect they have traffic cam video of the jeep leaving town and then similar video on its way back into town 45 min later. It's not clear how much time elapsed between when it re-entered town and when it arrived at Nicola St. MOO
Ohhh yes of course!
 
I believe so. As search warrants have been issued I imagine they must be close to finding some answers.

If he used google maps to search locations shortly before her disappearance, and her body is found in one of those locations, he's done. (Canadian Brad Cooper, the computer genius, made that mistake in NC).
 
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If he used google maps to search locations shortly before her disappearance, and her body is found in one of those locations, he's done. (Canadian Brad Cooper, the computer genius, made that mistake in NC).

Do we even know where the ex- boyfriend is? Is he already in custody? If not, does RCMP have eyes on him? Would hate for this to turn into a man hunt as well.
 
Do we even know where the ex- boyfriend is? Is he already in custody? If not, does RCMP have eyes on him? Would hate for this to turn into a man hunt as well.

Without charges, he is not in custody. I expect that RCMP know where he is, or at least know that he is in the area.
 
Police will not say whether anyone has been arrested in connection with their investigation into the disappearance of a Kamloops woman reported missing two weeks ago.

Shannon White, 32, was reported missing on Nov. 1 after she failed to show up for a shift at Kamloops Hyundai. Her vehicle was found abandoned on Nicola Street downtown the following day.

Mounties spent the entire weekend on-scene at a property in a Mount Paul trailer park where White's ex-boyfriend lives. Unit 32 at the Silver Sage trailer park was searched by police on Friday, and officers remained camped out near the fifth wheel all weekend.

Kamloops RCMP Const. Crystal Evelyn said police won’t say whether anyone has been arrested.

“Because this is an ongoing investigation, we won’t be confirming any arrests unless charges have been laid,” she told Castanet.

No charges have been laid.

Police won't say whether any arrests made in Shannon White missing person probe - Kamloops News
 
Police will not say whether anyone has been arrested in connection with their investigation into the disappearance of a Kamloops woman reported missing two weeks ago.

Shannon White, 32, was reported missing on Nov. 1 after she failed to show up for a shift at Kamloops Hyundai. Her vehicle was found abandoned on Nicola Street downtown the following day.

Mounties spent the entire weekend on-scene at a property in a Mount Paul trailer park where White's ex-boyfriend lives. Unit 32 at the Silver Sage trailer park was searched by police on Friday, and officers remained camped out near the fifth wheel all weekend.

Kamloops RCMP Const. Crystal Evelyn said police won’t say whether anyone has been arrested.

“Because this is an ongoing investigation, we won’t be confirming any arrests unless charges have been laid,” she told Castanet.

No charges have been laid.

Police won't say whether any arrests made in Shannon White missing person probe - Kamloops News
That actually sounds quite promising. The alternative answer could have been - we don't have anyone in custody at the moment.
 
Detained for questioning

"(ii) Investigative detention – “Reasonable grounds to detain”
Under the common law, police in Canada have a limited power to detain for investigative purposes. In order to exercise this power, the police must possess “reasonable grounds to detain.” The Supreme Court has stated a preference for the phrase “reasonable grounds to detain” instead of the phrase “articulable cause” that is used in American jurisprudence and can be found in some lower court decisions in Canada (Mann, supra at paragraph 33).

The standard for investigative detention (“reasonable grounds to detain”) is not as high as that required for an arrest (“reasonable and probable grounds to believe” an offence has been committed) (Mann, supra). The standard “reasonable grounds to detain” requires reasonable suspicion:

[P]olice officers may detain an individual for investigative purposes if there are reasonable grounds to suspect in all the circumstances that the individual is connected to a particular crime and that such a detention is necessary…. [T]the investigative detention should be brief in duration and does not impose an obligation on the detained individual to answer questions posed by the police (Mann, supra at paragraph 45. See also R. v. MacKenzie, [2013] 3 SCR 250 at paragraphs 35, 38).

Reasonable suspicion must be grounded in “objectively discernible facts, which can then be subjected to independent judicial scrutiny” (R. v. Chehil, [2013] 3 SCR 220 at paragraphs 26, 45; MacKenzie, supra at paragraph 41 (stated in relation to sniffer-dog searches and section 8 in both cases)). The assessment of whether the standard has been met should be conducted through the lens of a reasonable person “‘standing in the shoes of the police officer”’ (MacKenzie, supra at paragraph 63). A hunch based entirely on intuition gained by experience cannot suffice for detention (Mann, supra at paragraph 35; R. v. Harrison, [2009] 2 S.C.R. 494 at paragraph 20; Chehil, supra at paragraph 47). In addition, a constellation of factors will not be sufficient to ground reasonable suspicion where it amounts to only a generalized suspicion (Chehil, supra at paragraph 30).
...

The duration and nature of an investigative detention must be tailored to the investigative purpose of the detention and the circumstances in which the detention occurs (R. v. McGuffie, 2016 ONCA 365 at paragraph 38).

The section 10(b) right to retain and instruct counsel is triggered at the outset of an investigative detention, and the police have the obligation to inform the detainee of his or her right to counsel “without delay”. The Supreme Court has stated that “[t]he immediacy of this obligation is only subject to concerns for officer or public safety, or to reasonable limitations that are prescribed by law and justified under section 1 of the Charter” (Suberu, supra at paragraph 2. See also Rowson (ABCA), supra at paragraph 27)."
Charterpedia - Section 9 – Arbitrary detention
 
https://www.radionl.com/2021/11/15/...n-whites-jeep-spotted-heading-north-on-nov-1/

New development in the case:

"Kamloops RCMP say new information has revealed that the Jeep belonging to missing Kamloops woman Shannon White was seen driving north of the city on the day she disappeared.

Police had said last week that Shannon’s Jeep TJ was seen driving on the Trans-Canada Highway west of city limits on Nov. 1, and, today, police also say it was spotted heading north past Rayleigh several hours later around 5:30 p.m. on Nov. 1, before it was seen returning south, about 6:15 p.m.

RCMP Spokesperson Const. Crystal Evelyn says it is why police are now asking people north and west of Kamloops to look for any clues that could help locate the missing 32-year-old woman."
 
I wonder if the timeline is misreported. For the Jeep to be gone 45 minutes from Kamloops in the morning before being parked and then again for 45 minutes around 6pm seems a huge coincidence. More likely it wasn’t parked/left abandoned on the street until that same evening at the earliest. JMO

“RCMP Cpl. Dave Marshall said investigators learned over the weekend that White’s Jeep was spotted travelling northbound on Highway 5 on Nov. 1. Marshall said the Jeep travelled north past Rayleigh at about 5:30 p.m., then returned southbound roughly 45 minutes later

…….Mounties previously said White’s Jeep was spotted on the highway west of the city on the morning of Nov. 1. In that instance, police said they believe the vehicle was gone for about 45 minutes before returning….”
Police won't say whether any arrests made in Shannon White missing person probe - Kamloops News
 
I wonder if the timeline is misreported. For the Jeep to be gone 45 minutes from Kamloops in the morning before being parked and then again for 45 minutes around 6pm seems a huge coincidence. More likely it wasn’t parked/left abandoned on the street until that same evening at the earliest. JMO

“RCMP Cpl. Dave Marshall said investigators learned over the weekend that White’s Jeep was spotted travelling northbound on Highway 5 on Nov. 1. Marshall said the Jeep travelled north past Rayleigh at about 5:30 p.m., then returned southbound roughly 45 minutes later

…….Mounties previously said White’s Jeep was spotted on the highway west of the city on the morning of Nov. 1. In that instance, police said they believe the vehicle was gone for about 45 minutes before returning….”
Police won't say whether any arrests made in Shannon White missing person probe - Kamloops News

It was never reported that the jeep was parked at Nicola St immediately after returning from the 45 minute jaunt westward. The 45 minutes ended when traffic cams caught the jeep re-entering Kamloops not at Nicola St.

At any rate this new information means there is a lot more time to be accounted for (as I've always suspected) and much more real estate to be searched. Where was the jeep between about 9:15 AM and 5:30 PM? Was it at the ex-boyfriends trailer? The more important question is when did SW become separated from the jeep.
 
It was never reported that the jeep was parked at Nicola St immediately after returning from the 45 minute jaunt westward. The 45 minutes ended when traffic cams caught the jeep re-entering Kamloops not at Nicola St.

At any rate this new information means there is a lot more time to be accounted for (as I've always suspected) and much more real estate to be searched. Where was the jeep between about 9:15 AM and 5:30 PM? Was it at the ex-boyfriends trailer? The more important question is when did SW become separated from the jeep.

No, they never reported when the Jeep was believed to have been parked, just that it returned to the city after 45 minutes that morning. I think that was misreported and if so, it opens up a much larger timeframe for reporting of suspicious sightings during that day.

“Mounties previously said White’s Jeep was spotted on the highway west of the city on the morning of Nov. 1. In that instance, police said they believe the vehicle was gone for about 45 minutes before returning.”
Police won't say whether any arrests made in Shannon White missing person probe - Kamloops News
 
Google says Rayleigh is appx 23 minutes north of Kamloops so if the vehicle was spotted at that point, just beyond is access to various back country roads over rugged, heavily treed terrain.


https://www.radionl.com/2021/11/15/...n-whites-jeep-spotted-heading-north-on-nov-1/
“Kamloops RCMP say new information has revealed that the Jeep belonging to missing Kamloops woman Shannon White was seen driving north of the city on the day she disappeared.

Police had said last week that Shannon’s Jeep TJ was seen driving on the Trans-Canada Highway west of city limits on Nov. 1, and, today, police also say it was spotted heading north past Rayleigh around 5:30 p.m. that same day, before it was seen returning south, about 6:15 p.m….”
 
Search for clues in Shannon White’s disappearance expands to north of Kamloops


"Police have also been at the Silver Sage Trailer Park on the Tk’emlúps te Secwépemc reserve, where a travel trailer being searched by police belongs to the ex-boyfriend of White, according to friends and colleagues of White who spoke with KTW.

One neighbour told KTW there had been a heavy police presence at the property since Nov. 10, noting the RCMP brought in a tow truck at one point to haul three vehicles away. The neighbour was not aware if any arrests were made."


Interesting bit about vehicles possibly seized, hadn't seen that in other reports yet
 
Search for clues in Shannon White’s disappearance expands to north of Kamloops


"Police have also been at the Silver Sage Trailer Park on the Tk’emlúps te Secwépemc reserve, where a travel trailer being searched by police belongs to the ex-boyfriend of White, according to friends and colleagues of White who spoke with KTW.

One neighbour told KTW there had been a heavy police presence at the property since Nov. 10, noting the RCMP brought in a tow truck at one point to haul three vehicles away. The neighbour was not aware if any arrests were made."


Interesting bit about vehicles possibly seized, hadn't seen that in other reports yet

Yes interesting. I wonder if they were able to track the movement of these other vehicles on Nov 1.
 
I'd like to know when was her last confirmed sighting or phone call prior to the landlord & wife seeing her and her jeep leaving for work in the morning...

She had FB message contact with a friend just about time she left on Nov 1.

Matt Hatch is confident he saw Shannon White drive off for work on Monday, Nov. 1 shortly after 8 a.m.

Shannon, 32, has not been seen or heard from since and the RCMP’s serious crimes unit is investigating her disappearnce, with police labelling it “suspicious.”

Shannon rented a basement suite from Matt and wife Quinn on Bestwick Court in Lower Sahali and was known for her daily routine.

At about 11:30 a.m. on Nov. 1, — three hours after Shannon failed to show up for her job at Kamloops Hyundai at 940 Notre Dame Drive in Southgate (a two-kilometre drive) — Matt said he began receiving concerned messages from Shannon’s friends.

On Nov. 2 — the day after she left for work and never arrived — at about 3:30 p.m., police found Shannon’s vehicle, a 1997 black TJ model with BC licence plate KA0 22N, parked where it had no business being — in the 200-block of Nicola Street just outside the Sacred Heart Cathedral in downtown Kamloops. The spot is 1.3 kilometres from Shannon’s home via Sahali Terrace and Columbia Street West and in the opposite direction of her workplace.

According to Quinn, the morning White went missing was like any other.

Quinn was sitting in her vehicle waiting for her windows to defrost and said she saw Shannon, dressed for work, walk past Quinn’s car window in the driveway and toward her Jeep, but didn’t see Shannon enter the vehicle. Quinn said she didn’t see anyone with Shannon at the time.

Quinn said she drove away first at about 8:10 a.m. and didn’t see Shannon go back inside the house. She last saw Shannon outside, waiting for her Jeep to warm up.

Matt, who was in the house, heard the Jeep pulling out and saw it being driven away, but didn’t see White enter the vehicle or drive it.

He said he saw the vehicle make a left turn out of their cul-de-sac street, in the direction of the Hyundai dealership via Greenstone Drive and McGill Road.

“Every single morning, at the exact same time, she does the exact same thing. For me to think it was somebody else is completely false — it was her,” Matt said. “I’m 99.9 per cent sure.”

The last time Matt saw Shannon in person was the night before she disappeared, on Halloween night (Oct. 31) at about 8 p.m. when he took a bag of leftover Halloween candy down to her.

“Everything seemed nice and fine and said hi and then I went back upstairs and that’s it.” Matt said.

He told KTW he can’t say for sure if Shannon had any guests over when he last saw her, but he doesn’t think so as he didn’t see anyone when he went downstairs, nor did he hear anything that would suggest someone else was in the suite.

Makayla Peverill is a a close friend of Shannon and fellow member of the same off-roading club. She said she last saw Shannon in person on the night of Saturday, Oct. 30, when Shannon visited Makayla for dinner and a drive to watch for Northern Lights. The last time Makayla had contact with Shannon was via Facebook message at 8:04 a.m. on Nov. 1, the day she disappeared.

The two made plans to have Shannon visit to do some work on her Jeep later that night and Shannon’s last message confirmed those plans.

Makayla said she has known Shannon for two years. Shannon was single at the time she disappeared, but Makayla confirmed Shannon did have an ex-boyfriend, with whom White had issues, but they had been broken up for about a year.

Police have been made aware of Shannon’s former partner, Peverill said.

“It was a very tumultuous relationship,” Makayla said.”It was not a very friendly breakup. As far as anything else, the police have been notified as to any specific incidents.”

Makayla said Shannon and her ex had “intermittent contact” in the year since they broke up, but Shannon had not shared with her any recent encounters or communications between them.


[much more on link which can't post because of copyright]

Landlords: Nothing seemed amiss when White left for work - Kamloops This Week


From above:

Makayla Peverill is a a close friend of Shannon and fellow member of the same off-roading club. She said she last saw Shannon in person on the night of Saturday, Oct. 30, when Shannon visited Makayla for dinner and a drive to watch for Northern Lights. The last time Makayla had contact with Shannon was via Facebook message at 8:04 a.m. on Nov. 1, the day she disappeared.
 
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So, still no further news on the areas the police have been searching. Even if they have suspicions, they need something more concrete before they can arrest anyone.

It is a mystery.

Seemingly she left as usual from home that morning. Going by the above posts, she was in her car, and either stopped to check messages before setting off (landlord said they saw car, waiting a while before leaving about 8.10), or got a ping from the friend Makayla and stopped to respond.

After that we sort of know what directions the car was going in, but we really don't know for how long she was the actual driver.
 

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