Canada - Timothy Bosma, 32, Hamilton Ontario, 6 May 2013 - #4 **ARREST**

[lclabtech]

If TB saw something though, wouldn't that make DM and whoever accompanied him that night the pawns, though? The person(s) afraid they'd been seen wouldn't be the ones walking up to his front door and coaxing him out on a late night test drive. In that case, whoever was in that second vehicle becomes the mastermind.

ETA: This does actually make a lot of sense with the theory that he'd fallen in with a "bad crowd" as of late. Some sort of initiation or something he had to do to prove he was trustworthy to whomever. It'll be interesting to find out what kinds of vehicles have been in that hangar.

You quoted me but you didn't seem to acknowledge my question about the problem that creates with the first test drive. If Bosma saw something and people were looking for a man they know is selling a Black Dodge Ram truck, why would they be looking in Hamilton AND Toronto? This is JMO, but it only makes sense for it to be about the truck.

 

[jash]

The frame of the two vehicles are same... Swaping parts are not hard. Engine and tranny swap is not hard to an experienced person...as it seems to show in pics of his hangar...and the work taking place.... Emission testing on vehicles would not be issue.. As exhaust and components would be swapped also.

I'll take your word for it, but just curious why e-testing wouldn't be an issue? The ownership and VIN for DM's truck would identify it having a gas engine. The allowable emissions are different for gas and diesels. I believe it may have changed recently but as long as I've had my diesel, the e-test was really just a visual inspection -- they didn't hook it up to any machine. I would have thought if he went in for a test without having previously filed something with the Ministry about the engine swap, they would hook his truck up to the machine and it would fail based on the readings a diesel engine would put out. Sorry if this is off topic!

 

[Milothicus]

I will try to find the link that was posted previously (probably one or two threads back) but I recall reading something that said police led a group of "civilians" around DM's farm. I'm now wondering if these "civilians" were witnesses or somehow otherwise connected to DM, and they were actually showing police where TB was taken and/or what was done to him? I had previously thought maybe they were friends/family of TB's and were being asked to identify his body (this was before the press conference announcing that they found his body burned).

Strange one here. i think those quotes were wrong. the phrase "earlier this morning police escorted a group of civilians to the back of the..." appears in the google search result (as the short preview under the link), but that phrase has been deleted from this webpage:

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/more-suspects-sought-in-tim-bosma-slaying-4

i searched for the phrase "bosma farm civilians".

This page still includes the phrase, citing only 'With files from news services' as sources. they seem to have caught the original text before it was edited.

http://www.therecord.com/news/local...dy-of-tim-bosma-it-s-a-big-why-bystanders-say

my conclusion is that the first link was wrong. what they thought was civilians may have been plain clothes officers. i'd say it's less likely that LE asked them to change the text.

 

[Nesto]

I'll take your word for it, but just curious why e-testing wouldn't be an issue? The ownership and VIN for DM's truck would identify it having a gas engine. The allowable emissions are different for gas and diesels. I believe it may have changed recently but as long as I've had my diesel, the e-test was really just a visual inspection -- they didn't hook it up to any machine. I would have thought if he went in for a test without having previously filed something with the Ministry about the engine swap, they would hook his truck up to the machine and it would fail based on the readings a diesel engine would put out. Sorry if this is off topic!

Depends how that truck is listed for the other ram....farm vehicle? Which is exempt....Also, im more leaning towards the jeep...which by indications...is an offroad race vehicle...which would be exempt.

 

[axe2grind]

The frame of the two vehicles are same... Swaping parts are not hard. Engine and tranny swap is not hard to an experienced person...as it seems to show in pics of his hangar...and the work taking place.... Emission testing on vehicles would not be issue.. As exhaust and components would be swapped also.

I haven't seen a picture showing the red truck being around anywhere now. It would be especially interesting to find out if the motor is "gone" in that red truck. There are many pics of them doing motor swaps, so they're used to doing that work for sure.

 

[mollymae]

I heard from an aquintence that they found TB Saturday night. At the farm. Time to run DNA to be sure then release the info yesterday? Also some neighbours have been quoted as saying the police showed up Friday at farm. I think it likely that someone heard about the tattoo info on the suspect and called LE to tip them off about DM. They were searching his property before Monday IMO

When questioned about how they got to DM in yesterday's press conference, LE said they were lead to him through TB's cell phone. I'll try and find a MSM link to back that up.

 

[meadsipper]

Been reading for days. 1st post.

A couple of comments, and a theory.

1. About the girlfriend - the context was the Crown asking for an order that the accused not communicate with a long list of people. I assume, but don't know, that the girlfriend was on that list. To justify why he should be banned from talking to his girlfriend, the Crown said she might be an important witness. Don't read too much into this.


2. About the video of the 2nd vehicle - police referred to video taken near TB's home. Given how rural it is, the video is probably long distance. They're able to see a second vehicle, but not with sufficient resolution to make out what kind it is. Zooming in would just give blurry blocks of pixels.

So, my theory:

I don't think this was about the truck. I think the truck was a path to TB.

What if the suspects were engaged in illegal activity, perhaps a drug deal, when a black Ram 3500 with a For Sale sign drove by and a guy looked out at them. Or maybe that truck was parked outside somebody's girlfriend's house, and people jumped to conclusions. Whatever it was, the suspects decide they have to get that guy in the truck. They go online, looking for black Ram 3500's for sale. They go to the first guy, decide it's not him. Go to TB, decide it is him, and kill him.

This fits in many ways:

- the burner cell phone, often used by criminals, particularly drug dealers
- leaving the first truck owner unharmed
- deciding to test drive, rather than steal the truck, so that they would meet the owner
- fits better with DM having money - he could have bought the truck, but it wasn't the truck he was after

One possible scenario: they drop off the trailer somewhere (maybe the farm). Suspect 3 drives them in trailer towing vehicle to TB's house, drops them off, waits down the road. DM & suspect 2 drive by with TB in TB's truck, suspect 3 follows. TB is killed. Truck is loaded into trailer, body disposed of. Truck is much harder to get rid of. Trailer gets driven to Kleinburg while they try to figure out how to dispose of the truck. DM gets arrested based on tattoo description, others on the run or lying low, no time to dispose of the truck.

Property searches for all property related to DM begins, remains found.

I have no info other than what's public, but I think this scenario fits what we know so far.

Thoughts?

It won't fit.

The police stated that the accused and other suspect were originally interested in the truck that was for sale in Etobicoke (?). The owner of that truck was a very large guy, and according to the police, that is why they backed off on making a move. They probably chose Tim because he was easier to take down.

 

[Fire_and_Ice]

I'm glad this picture was posted again. My friend told me that these can be rented and livestock farmers use them to incinerate....livestock.He said that this one looked as if it had not been outside for long and was most likely rented<Just His Opinion

farmer's don't usually use these anymore though... they call a company who does rounds to farms and picks up dead livestock. It's not common practice for farmers to incinerate their own dead livestock. Besides, were there animals being kept at that farm? It could very well be I just didn't see or read anything to indicate that. There would of been activity on the farm then daily if there were by someone looking after them.

 

[meadsipper]

I haven't seen a picture showing the red truck being around anywhere now. It would be especially interesting to find out if the motor is "gone" in that red truck. There are many pics of them doing motor swaps, so they're used to doing that work for sure.

If the red Dodge was being used for towing purposes, they may have wanted the black Dodge for the tranny, amongst other engine parts.

 

[Wondergirl]

I guess most people skipped over my earlier post transcribing what DM's lawyer said after court today (I don't blame you -- the post is long!).

Here's a snip from my post a couple pages back:

When asked if he can speak to speculation that DM's finances weren't doing so well:
"I can speak to it absolutely. His finances are fine. He's not in debt. He owns a number of properties which are paid for. He was not hurting financially. He had-- the police have confirmed he had sufficient funds to easily purchase this truck if he wished to do so."

To Dellen: Why did you kill an innocent man then? :furious:

 

[HI&DI]

On the OMAFRA site it suggested you might have to dispose of 550 chickens per 10,000 per year....there would have to be big chicken barns on the property for the incinerator to have come with the farm because you need a lot of chickens to need one

If the incinerator had been stored in a barn for a long time it would have a good coating of dust. It's just too clean

And it would be covered with lots of bird crap, etc

 

[mamacita]

can someone help me understand? couldn't DM be allowed to talk to these witnesses (without him knowing that LE considers them witnesses, etc) maybe in an attempt to get him to communicate more information to them while being recorded, etc? why would they want to completely cut that communication off if there was something that could be used to further the investigation?

of course i can understand them not wanting communication that can't be traced... no one can really be trusted in these cases. but why not control it to use it for their benefit?

just thinking aloud here.

 

[Nesto]

If the red Dodge was being used for towing purposes, they may have wanted the black Dodge for the tranny, amongst other engine parts.

Thats if the ram was the intended swap.... If the jeep is gas? A 5.9 cummins swap would fit... And be a heck of a powerful jeep as a result. Also it seems diesel jeep swaps are big thing....

 

[PurrphectWorld]

Dellen's lawyer is doing an interview on www.newstalk1010.com at 3:06

 

[meadsipper]

Thats if the ram was the intended swap.... If the jeep is gas? A 5.9 cummins swap would fit... And be a heck of a powerful jeep as a result. Also it seems diesel jeep swaps are big thing....

There is a pic of the red Dodge with the black trailer hitched to it. It's a big trailer. If they were using the red Dodge to haul vehicles down to the Baja 500, they may have put a lot of stress on it.

Those guys wanted Tim's truck.

 

[xtrance]

I hope I didnt miss this in another thread, but I just saw this story..

Kijiji says that the murder suspects would not have been able to contact Bosma through its site.
Bosma did not reveal any personal information on the site and Kijiji says that his ad did not receive any replies, information it says it has given to Hamilton police.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...ind_tim_bosma_through_its_online_ad_site.html

 

[Nesto]

There is a pic of the red Dodge with the black trailer hitched to it. It's a big trailer. If they were using the red Dodge to haul vehicles down to the Baja 500, they may have put a lot of stress on it.

Those guys wanted Tim's truck.

Anything is possible.....although the hemi can take a big beating... The cummins outweighs it in torque and longevity and fuel economy....

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

DM's Lawyer on newstalk 1010 right now
http://www.newstalk1010.com/

 

[mollymae]

When questioned about how they got to DM in yesterday's press conference, LE said they were lead to him through TB's cell phone. I'll try and find a MSM link to back that up.

It was Bosma&#8217;s cellphone, found discarded at a Brantford industrial complex, that led police to Millard, who was arrested on Saturday in Mississauga.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/05/15/tim_bosma_murder_man_was_targeted_police_say.html

Edit: If they used a burner phone to contact Bosma about the ad, I'm curious what led them to DM.

 

[jash]

Dellen's lawyer is doing an interview on www.newstalk1010.com at 3:06

Thanks. I can't see where I can listen but I can already guess he's going to talk about what a fine family DM is from, and how everyone is "very, very shocked". I wonder if these interviews are considered billable hours.