Canadian hostage, wife & children freed from Afghanistan, husband arrested for abuse, Oct 2017 #2

[bears10]

JB, I am not a very political person or up to date on Foreign Affairs, but I am scared shitless of Joshua Boyle and his American Wife (I believe there was a reason he choose her after his first marriage to Zaynab Khadr).

My only hope his someone is watching him, because unfortunately I don't think its the Canadian Government.

I do not trust him either, and my sympathy for CC is dwindling rapidly. Fortunately, JB is in jail for now. It will be fine. A nerd like JB isn’t going to be able to do anything. The Taliban didn’t even want him for crying out loud. No worries grace.

 

[MsFacetious]

CC was not kidnapped and taken to Afghanistan as far as we know. She has not said that and there is no evidence she did not go willingly.

I think the implication is that she was "kidnapped" once she got there.

 

[Lilibet]

I think the implication is that she was "kidnapped" once she got there.

Oops. I see what you mean.

 

[JDG]

Of course I hope the same, for the safety of our neighbors. you have to understand that the US has been through things that thankfully you have not. I’d be concerned if homeland security wasn’t on top of JB.

There have been terrorist incidents in Canada. Right on Parliament Hill for instance.

Could you please link any crimes that JB has committed in America?

His crimes at the moment are 'domestic' violence related or seem to be within his family/extended family perhaps.

 

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Anyone else think JB is setting himself up for a PTSD / mental illness defence to the charges? His comment at the last hearing that he didn't know what was going on was not typical for him, and it got me wondering.

 

[Grace.212]

Anyone else think JB is setting himself up for a PTSD / mental illness defence to the charges? His comment at the last hearing that he didn't know what was going on was not typical for him, and it got me wondering.

Yes! And Caitlin backs it up with this statement; “ultimately it is the strain and trauma he was forced to endure for so many years and the effects that had on his mental state that is most culpable for this.”

 

[bears10]

There have been terrorist incidents in Canada. Right on Parliament Hill for instance.

Could you please link any crimes that JB has committed in America?

His crimes at the moment are 'domestic' violence related or seem to be within his family/extended family perhaps.

Homeland security/FBI doesn’t have to wait until someone commits a crime before they are on the radar. JB married the sister of a former Gitmo detainee. (Gitmo is a United States military prison). He then married a US citizen and entered a country that could get ANY person put on a watch list. Especially a person who is obsessed with terrorism. The whole point is to stop threats before they can come to fruition.... being proactive instead of reactive. Most of the people on the “most wanted terrorists/seeking information” list aren’t American.

 

[Stunned]

Kidnapped??

Who was charged with kidnapping?

Sarcasm. Apparently CC was kidnapped by the TalIban (sp?) Not sure about JB.

 

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Does anyone else wonder if JB 'visited' Justin Trudeau in the hopes that Justin Trudeau would give him $10M, as he did his ex BIL? IMO
That would allow him to not work, yet support his children nicely. IMO

No.
IMO it was a media opportunity for both. Even though it was JB who was the one to seek out an audience with the PM. JT couldn't let a photo op pass him by either. IMO

Also, if it wasn't for JB to post and boast on twitter the general public would not have known.

 

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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, Times new roman]I am not sure, but the visit with JT sure gave him a ton of publicity. In the meantime, I am sure Government assistance is taking good care of the children through our Welfare system. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, Times new roman]I cant off the top of my head remember the article that said he was looking for a book deal, but its out there.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, Times new roman]Then the fact that CC said in her blog that she wanted to be a film maker, I think between the 2 of them they got it covered for book & film deals. Its that sexual assault charge that could stand in his way, he needs that to go away quickly And sounds like CC in her statement after his arrest she has it covered.[/FONT]
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Definitely, Social Assistance is helping them. IF he wanted to find work or get education and training, Ontario Works is available to him, not sure about her(not being a Citizen, not sure if she is a permanent resident either) but I would guess that they would make an exception.
He has a university education but has little to no job experience. IMO I don't see him being able to get a job that pays more than min. wage in Ottawa.

I posted a link to an article that stated JB was actively looking for a book deal a few pages back.

 

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This article had all kinds of nuggets of creep.

I thought it was strange that US State Department officials accompanied him back to Canada. He’s a Canadian citizen. Why the US State Department and why accompany him?

Then he points to those US officials and says, Their interests are not my interests.”

Those State Department “guards” must have been there for a reason we don’t know. They had to get him exactly handed over to Canada? Because he’s a danger under US intelligence reasons? Otherwise they could simply have had the hostage NGO accompany the family on the plane. No, there had to be an official reason for doing that.

Just a thought.

Perhaps they were there for Caitlan (and the kids)? and not necessarily there for JB. Are they not a foreign affairs agency?

Maybe they made themselves accessible to provide support services to Caitlan if she requested it, but she didn't and agreed with her husband.

What if she, at any time, said I don't want to follow my husband to Canada but wish to return to the US. She would have had US authorities there to provide support for her (and perhaps the children)

 

[JDG]

I hope he is on someones radar, because he is certainly NOT on Canada's radar with his private meeting with Justin Trudeau, and family photo opps.

Grace, we really do not know who is on the government radar. CSIS may be following him very closely along with other governments. IMO

To say that Trudeau is naive is an understatement but he seems to jump on everything Islamic as someone, maybe yourself, pointed out the other day. IMO

He is also friendly with the Aga Khan or so he says. IMO

It was his excuse for going on vacation when it broke all sorts of rules of Parliament. IMO

Its just my opinion but I believe the he is an Islamic sympathizer and IMO that should concern CSIS as well as all Canadians. IMO

 

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Those are good questions. Maybe they were on the plane for CC, but I don’t think they trust JB.

I got to thinking today about JB pointing to US State Department officials on the plane and saying “Their interests are not my interests.”

He had just handed AP a statement as noted below. Was this the full statement about US foreign policy accusing the US of “deliberate and organized injustice”? Or were there specifics?

U.S. State Department officials had accompanied the Boyle family on the flight home to Toronto on Friday. Boyle gave The Associated Press a handwritten statement expressing disagreement with U.S. foreign policy.

“God has given me and my family unparalleled resilience and determination, and to allow that to stagnate, to pursue personal pleasure or comfort while there is still deliberate and organized injustice in the world would be a betrayal of all I believe, and tantamount to sacrilege,” he wrote.

He nodded to one of the State Department officials and said, “Their interests are not my interests.”

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...-wife-were-kidnapped-because-she-was-pregnant

Did he realize that his release had been made possible by US intelligence and pressure on Pakistan? He had just benefited from their “interest” in freeing him and his family.

Are not Canadian and US “interests” and foreign policy generally similar? He hadn’t been released long enough to have any kind of grasp of current events or policies, so what is he talking about?

I suspect he was strongly influenced in his attitudes by his ex wife Zanayb Kahdr. Her 2004 PBS interview along with her mother is a chilling read.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/khadr/interviews/mahazaynab.html

I think he is dangerous and I think he is definitely on the radar of both Canadian and US governments...or should be.

BBM RED
I am in agreement.

I too believe he is being watched by both countries.

JB's father, as a federal court judge, has federal court security watching him. There is a department dedicated to protecting all federal court judges.
When JB's father works or travels (even within the city of Ottawa) this federal security is watching and protecting him.
If any event is occurring within the city, for example an event where Police is involved, there is liaison between Ottawa Police and this federal department so they can act accordingly and keep the judge safe.
This federal security was at the Boyle home when the family arrived at Smith Falls, as well as other police and security most likely.

 

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That could just as easily be his own paranoia and strange set of beliefs.

I believe so too

 

[JDG]

Homeland security/FBI doesn’t have to wait until someone commits a crime before they are on the radar. JB married the sister of a former Gitmo detainee. (Gitmo is a United States military prison). He then married a US citizen and entered a country that could get ANY person put on a watch list. Especially a person who is obsessed with terrorism. The whole point is to stop threats before they can come to fruition.... being proactive instead of reactive. Most of the people on the “most wanted terrorists/seeking information” list aren’t American.

Yes, I know that and agree totally that he should be on watch lists. He's no doubt on watch lists in Europe too.
Someone was posting about extradition to the US but he has not, AFAIK, done anything to warrant it. Lets hope he never gets the chance.

At best, he's very strange, has peculiar beliefs and has proven himself to be violent. Doesn't mean that the US LE can have custody of him AFAIK.

 

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I hope he is on someones radar, because he is certainly NOT on Canada's radar with his private meeting with Justin Trudeau, and family photo opps.

I don't believe the RCMP was not aware of the active Ottawa Police investigation.
Did the PMO's office know about it and ignore it for the sake of a photo op?

 

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Anyone else think JB is setting himself up for a PTSD / mental illness defence to the charges? His comment at the last hearing that he didn't know what was going on was not typical for him, and it got me wondering.

Yes, I do.

 

[bears10]

Yes, I know that and agree totally that he should be on watch lists. He's no doubt on watch lists in Europe too.
Someone was posting about extradition to the US but he has not, AFAIK, done anything to warrant it. Lets hope he never gets the chance.

At best, he's very strange, has peculiar beliefs and has proven himself to be violent. Doesn't mean that the US LE can have custody of him AFAIK.

Which is precisely why he didn’t board a US bound flight imo. Bc if he entered our country, no extradition is needed. Even if he had the purest intentions and was truly a victim the entire time he was in the Middle East, I am sure our government would like to chat with him regarding the things and people he heard and saw while there. Especially since he could speak Farsi [emoji849]

That being said, I’m going to look more into the FBIs terrorism lists. I don’t see why they’d list a bunch of dudes from middle eastern countries if they had no power to do anything about it.

 

[Stunned]

Anyone else think JB is setting himself up for a PTSD / mental illness defence to the charges? His comment at the last hearing that he didn't know what was going on was not typical for him, and it got me wondering.

What?? Taking money from us infidels? Please, way to religious for cash!! LOL

 

[JDG]

Which is precisely why he didn’t board a US bound flight imo. Bc if he entered our country, no extradition is needed. Even if he had the purest intentions and was truly a victim the entire time he was in the Middle East, I am sure our government would like to chat with him regarding the things and people he heard and saw while there. Especially since he could speak Farsi [emoji849]

That being said, I’m going to look more into the FBIs terrorism lists. I don’t see why they’d list a bunch of dudes from middle eastern countries if they had no power to do anything about it.

Nothing wrong with speaking Farsi, nor any other language. Its more about his potential for trouble IMO.

Homeland Security has the right to refuse anyone entry into the US, same as every other country has the right to refuse someone if they are not a citizen. IMO

I agree he had his reasons to not want to land in the US but I do not pretend to know what they are as, IMO, we don't know enough about him yet. IMO

With some luck, he'll be psych/risk assessed via the court system and maybe there will be further information. IMO

As a Canadian, I was very disturbed to see those photos of him with the PM. What was Justin thinking?? IMO