CAR SEAT discussion

[CCmakes3]

So, why did they not use a man that size for the reenactment? A tall, large man's head would be close to the roof, and his body would be approximately in the normal driving space as a result of his girth. In other words, he would be forward even if the seat were reclined a bit.

Has an interior shot of his car been posted showing driver's seat position? If so, where and when? I missed it.

Bbm. Probably because Duffy is so adorable. :blushing: It's all about ratings. Who wants to tune in and see a big buffoon in a little car?

 

[SStarr33]

Any more questions about how he could have missed the baby?
Not me. [emoji20]

I have question.

Is that the same car seat?

 

[Willow Knight]

Regardless if the sexting distracted him so much he 'forgot' Cooper was there (and totally ignoring all the evidence which suggests premeditation which they DON'T have to prove) it's still criminal negligence that led to a death ie NOT an unfortunate accident. He was the primary caregiver and responsible for the safety of a minor until the point he handed him over to another caregiver. To me it's like a busdriver who is responsible for the safety of the passengers, if he's texting and distracted while driving then has a crash and one of the passengers dies you can bet they'd prosecute the hell outta him.

This post did it for me. I believe with what little details we know as fact right now, I'd still convict him. Guilty. His actions caused the death of this child. I don't care what he was doing at the time (sexting or not), I don't care what position his car seat was in, I don't care how well he can hear, smell, or see. That baby was in his care, it was his job/duty to care for his child. He was responsible. He was responsible for Cooper.

 

[Stolat]

I think we would all agree that this will be a high-profile trial...But do you think that it will be bigger if it happens in the summer months instead of the winter months? Even just slightly? I keep seeing posts and comments saying that people think about Cooper when they get in their car...do you think that there would be less "relating" if it was 20 degrees outside and snowing? And do you think the prosecution will try to get the trial to happen during the summer, while the defense will try for the winter, incase it has any impact on the jury?

I think that's an excellent observation. I don't want to say people are less sympathetic to a deceased child no matter what situation. However, I can't help but agree that as people get into their steamy cars they can physically envision the duress, trauma and pain. Think how you feel in that one second your butt hits a hot vinyl or leather seat when you first get in. Now imagine that feeling not letting up for 7 hours.

I totally can see how a jury would be slightly more persuaded to convict in the summer months than in the winter. They can feel it for themselves.

 

[SStarr33]

Um, you pulled it up yourself! He doesn't say it was 6 inches behind the seats. He says it was 6 inches for
JRH. There's a big difference!

I'm not following you.

It goes something like this

Prosecuter: how far or how close was the distance between approximately the drivers seat and the head area end of the car seat

Stoddard: 6 inches at the most.

You said Stoddard said it was 6 inches from RH's head and it protruded between the front seats.

Maybe I am missing that part. If so, can you please give me the link from the hearing?

 

[EvilSoup]

Ok I haven't caught up with the entire thread yet but I had to reply because I'm laughing in disbelief. Only gangbangers drive in this position? Really? :floorlaugh: I am 5'2" and not a gangbanger and drive pretty far back because I look and feel ridiculous pushed up close and sitting ramrod straight in front of the steering wheel. I know and have known plenty of people - law abiding and shady alike - who drive in the same position. I am not at all sure what such stereotyping about driving position is suppose to prove!

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Haven't caught up yet, but my husband drives with his seat back like that, too! He isn't especially tall, about 6', and very fit, so no belly to lean back for. He is nothing close to a gangbanger, more like a crunchy ski bum. :Banane49:

I hate when he drives my car and leaves the seat like that. Feels like I'm supposed to take a nap. :bed:

I don't know HOW he finds that comfortable.

 

[Elley Mae]

I see that the car seat is still being discussed in the wrong thread again, and again. It's like ground hog day in here. jmo

 

[RainCheck]

I'm not following you.

It goes something like this

Prosecuter: how far or how close was the distance between approximately the drivers seat and the head area end of the car seat

Stoddard: 6 inches at the most.

You said Stoddard said it was 6 inches from RH's head and it protruded between the front seats.

Maybe I am missing that part. If so, can you please give me the link from the hearing?

STODDARD: Justin took Cooper out to the car. He went into the back seat where the car seat was situated. It's a rear-facing car seat so Cooper's head would be in between or almost in between the two front seats. He put Cooper in the vehicle. He stated he strapped him in tight. He went through a little spiel about how he'd watched You Tube videos about, you know, car seat regulations and stuff, and he knew that this was the right car seat and the right way of doing it. And he straps him in tight. And Cooper gives him a kiss. And he gives him a kiss back. And he says he always gives him the kiss in case they get into a car accident and he dies. He wanted Cooper to, you know, his last memory or Cooper to remember that he had been loved or that his daddy loved him.

 

[Spice]

I'm not following you.

It goes something like this

Prosecuter: how far or how close was the distance between approximately the drivers seat and the head area end of the car seat

Stoddard: 6 inches at the most.

You said Stoddard said it was 6 inches from RH's head and it protruded between the front seats.

Maybe I am missing that part. If so, can you please give me the link from the hearing?

In relation to the bold. Did you watch the reenactment using the exact model of car seat and car yesterday? It is clear that the car seat was protruding and practically in Rh's lap in that car. And yes it was in the middle. 6 inches at most from ROSS while he was in the drivers seat. Six inches at most from his body.

6 inches at most from the drivers seat.

I am not understanding where the confusion is?

The hearing is Linked in the media thread. It is also easily googled and all parts are on you tube. It's easy to find within or outside of this forum. It also has been linked within many of these threads since it aired.

The link to the hearing is located in its designated spot on this forum: The Media Thread.

 

[RainCheck]

I'm not following you.

It goes something like this

Prosecuter: how far or how close was the distance between approximately the drivers seat and the head area end of the car seat

Stoddard: 6 inches at the most.

You said Stoddard said it was 6 inches from RH's head and it protruded between the front seats.

Maybe I am missing that part. If so, can you please give me the link from the hearing?

Please explain to me how the car seat an be both inbetween the front seats AND six inches behind them? I think you are misinterpreting what is being said. He means from the area where the driver is located and is saying behind it.

STODDARD: Justin took Cooper out to the car. He went into the back seat where the car seat was situated. It's a rear-facing car seat so Cooper's head would be in between or almost in between the two front seats. He put Cooper in the vehicle. He stated he strapped him in tight. He went through a little spiel about how he'd watched You Tube videos about, you know, car seat regulations and stuff, and he knew that this was the right car seat and the right way of doing it. And he straps him in tight. And Cooper gives him a kiss. And he gives him a kiss back. And he says he always gives him the kiss in case they get into a car accident and he dies. He wanted Cooper to, you know, his last memory or Cooper to remember that he had been loved or that his daddy loved him.

 

[SStarr33]

Please explain to me how the car seat an be both inbetween the front seats AND six inches behind them?

STODDARD: Justin took Cooper out to the car. He went into the back seat where the car seat was situated. It's a rear-facing car seat so Cooper's head would be in between or almost in between the two front seats. He put Cooper in the vehicle. He stated he strapped him in tight. He went through a little spiel about how he'd watched You Tube videos about, you know, car seat regulations and stuff, and he knew that this was the right car seat and the right way of doing it. And he straps him in tight. And Cooper gives him a kiss. And he gives him a kiss back. And he says he always gives him the kiss in case they get into a car accident and he dies. He wanted Cooper to, you know, his last memory or Cooper to remember that he had been loved or that his daddy loved him.

Thank you and that is an excellent question!!! Sounds like Stoddard is mixed up. To bad NG messed up her demo.

 

[Spice]

Please explain to me how the car seat an be both inbetween the front seats AND six inches behind them?

Six inches from ROSS. Six inches from the drivers seat. Protruding and Practically in his lap.

It's not confusing at all......:facepalm:

And the 6 inches is according to the LE reenactment. It was also CLEAR as day in the HLN reenactment which was not "messed" up. Same car. Same car seat place in the middle and rear facing. It's not brain surgery.

 

[Stolat]

Haven't caught up yet, but my husband drives with his seat back like that, too! He isn't especially tall, about 6', and very fit, so no belly to lean back for. He is nothing close to a gangbanger, more like a crunchy ski bum. :Banane49:

I hate when he drives my car and leaves the seat like that. Feels like I'm supposed to take a nap. :bed:

I don't know HOW he finds that comfortable.

FWIW..I'm 5'9 and I often wear heels to work. I put my seat nearly as far back as it will go or my ankle hurts. Gawd, I hope that doesn't make me look like a (what was the word? gangbanger?).

Someone help me out. I'm not following why the seat position makes all that much difference for a guy who had the daily routine of turning around in his seat to check on his son. Daily.

What was it about this one day that made it so unusual that a person described by BFF as "creature of habit" would break from his daily routine?

 

[Elley Mae]

Surveillance footage showed Ross Harris sitting in the car 30 seconds before reaching behind the passenger seat to grab his computer bag.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/10245026/Seat-key-evidence-in-toddler-left-in-car-case

 

[Ruby]

I'm not following you.

It goes something like this

Prosecuter: how far or how close was the distance between approximately the drivers seat and the head area end of the car seat

Stoddard: 6 inches at the most.

You said Stoddard said it was 6 inches from RH's head and it protruded between the front seats.

Maybe I am missing that part. If so, can you please give me the link from the hearing?

I have been replaying this segment over several times and volume turned up - I have to agree with SStarr33.

No where in this part of questioning does it state the car seat protruding and was inches from RH's head.

Many links provided from news articles may state that but from the hearing with Stoddard and the Prosecutor I'm not hearing that.

Some may claim doesn't matter still no way to miss baby Cooper in the seat - some may claim it does matter and it's enough to miss baby Cooper.

To each their own perspective - view point - or opinion.
We each have one, and they may differ, does not make one more right or the other more wrong.
It is what it is, my opinion and all that jazz :moo:

btw - thank you SStar33 for posting that link and the time.

 

[RainCheck]

Six inches from ROSS. Six inches from the drivers seat. Protruding and Practically in his lap.

It's not confusing at all......:facepalm:

And the 6 inches is according to the LE reenactment. It was also CLEAR as day in the HLN reenactment which was not "messed" up. Same car. Same car seat. It's not brain surgery.

Exactly! The car seat is six inches from the driver not six inches from the seat! He said the seat was 6 inches from Ross and protruding between the seats like I said in the first place! Anyone who owns a car seat in a compact car knows there is no way in Hell there was 6 inches behind the seats. There's not even 6 inches between an infant car seat and the front seat in my husband's Honda Pilot which is a huge SUV!

 

[RainCheck]

I have been replaying this segment over several times and volume turned up - I have to agree with SStarr33.

No where in this part of questioning does it state the car seat protruding and was inches from RH's head.

Many links provided from news articles may state that but from the hearing with Stoddard and the Prosecutor I'm not hearing that.

Some may claim doesn't matter still no way to miss baby Cooper in the seat - some may claim it does matter and it's enough to miss baby Cooper.

To each their own perspective - view point - or opinion.
We each have one, and they may differ, does not make one more right or the other more wrong.
It is what it is, my opinion and all that jazz :moo:

btw - thank you SStar33 for posting that link and the time.

STODDARD: Justin took Cooper out to the car. He went into the back seat where the car seat was situated. It's a rear-facing car seat so Cooper's head would be in between or almost in between the two front seats. He put Cooper in the vehicle. He stated he strapped him in tight. He went through a little spiel about how he'd watched You Tube videos about, you know, car seat regulations and stuff, and he knew that this was the right car seat and the right way of doing it. And he straps him in tight. And Cooper gives him a kiss. And he gives him a kiss back. And he says he always gives him the kiss in case they get into a car accident and he dies. He wanted Cooper to, you know, his last memory or Cooper to remember that he had been loved or that his daddy loved him.

He says right here it would have been between the seats! It's not possible it could have been behind them in that vehicle! Just simply not possible especially with a talk driver! Not unlikely, impossible!

 

[Stolat]

Please explain to me how the car seat an be both inbetween the front seats AND six inches behind them? I think you are misinterpreting what is being said. He means from the area where the driver is located and is saying behind it.

STODDARD: Justin took Cooper out to the car. He went into the back seat where the car seat was situated. It's a rear-facing car seat so Cooper's head would be in between or almost in between the two front seats. He put Cooper in the vehicle. He stated he strapped him in tight. He went through a little spiel about how he'd watched You Tube videos about, you know, car seat regulations and stuff, and he knew that this was the right car seat and the right way of doing it. And he straps him in tight. And Cooper gives him a kiss. And he gives him a kiss back. And he says he always gives him the kiss in case they get into a car accident and he dies. He wanted Cooper to, you know, his last memory or Cooper to remember that he had been loved or that his daddy loved him.

Hey everyone. This is a no - Brainer. We're all getting worked up over mis-interpretation of perspective.

I'm reading Stoddards words here. He says between the two seats. BETWEEN. As in CENTERED.

So in other words, I took this to mean that Cooper wasn't strapped in BEHIND the passenger seat or BEHIND Ross's seat - but rather, Cooper was CENTERED and strapped in to the middle section of the back seat - such that if you were standing at the front bumper of the car and looking through the front window, you'd see the car seat positioned centered -or- BETWEEN the two front seats.

From that perspective it makes perfect sense to me to say that he was BETWEEN/CENTERED from a latitudal position and 6 inches back from a longitudal position.

 

[newone]

Surveillance footage showed Ross Harris sitting in the car 30 seconds before reaching behind the passenger seat to grab his computer bag.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/10245026/Seat-key-evidence-in-toddler-left-in-car-case

oh dear.........didn't see CH then either .......this man is nasty

 

[SStarr33]

Surveillance footage showed Ross Harris sitting in the car 30 seconds before reaching behind the passenger seat to grab his computer bag.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/10245026/Seat-key-evidence-in-toddler-left-in-car-case

We have been over and over this. Please listen to Detective Stoddard at 23:00--he picks up the computer bag which is in front of the passenger seat in the FRONT of the car

http://new.livestream.com/wildabouttrial/events/2490138/videos/55596876