Cases possibly of interest for the LISK case

[Salsa]

I have not looked back to 1996 (7) but found site of the number of babies born in New York by Cesarean in 2000 by race AA, 5,750. Press link to Data Table.

https://a816-healthpsi.nyc.gov/epiq..._debug=0&pop=delivery&statvar=brate&row=kmeth

 

[Judgedredd]

It certainly is feasible to look into all local hospital area Cesarean Sections done in to years they estimate the baby to have been born and see that the baby and mother are accounted for and who isn't. Any of the children found to have had a check up documented after the murder year, they are not Baby Doe. This is what detectives do. They have gone through more tedious processes to identify persons or identify a blanket or carpet fiber through complex, time consuming lab tests and identification of lone fibers to that of a single manufacturers overseas.

And jewelry and possessions are usually identified in murder cases and I read one case where it was matched to a jeweler who made the jewelry across the country and was able to show receipt to who bought it.

Great detective work, but importantly a task team who is h... bent on solving a crime will do what is necessary to solve it.

You could also ask each Obstetrician and Pediatrician group in the area for help in identification. You never know what leads and memories it may bring. Did a patient and young daughter fall off the map? Could your group look into records and find if there is a missing link and sudden drop off of a patient in the time frame.

It is absolutely in no way feasabilbe to go to "all local hospitals" and find out who had C-sections done in those years. First off the sheer logistics of doing so would be overwhelming, as you there could be literally thousands of people that had that procedure done. Secondly and perhaps most importantly is the fact that medical records are privileged information ,and without a court order, or written consent from the patient, they are off limits to investigators. A judge may grant a court order if you had one person of interest, and very compelling evidence; however there is no way a judge would order every hospital in the area to turn over medical records for thousands of people spanning years just to follow up a hunch. Also just because someone lives in a particular area now, doesn't necessarily mean that they have always lived there, or had a medical procedure performed there, so that in and of itself would render it a snipe hunt.

 

[CCSsalt3257]

this person went missing in 1997....i would estimate well over a million women probably had c-sections over a time frame that is not very concrete....as new york/long island is one of the most populated areas in the world. the bristol thing may or may not be a good lead...but even that would be like finding a needle in a haystack. I understand your ideas...just saying that from experience, these things are not feasible.

the carpet fiber - manufacturing stuff doesnt happen in real life...only on tv shows like csi and in movies like murder by numbers. just trying to give you some insight.

i would think "peaches" is most likely not from the ny/ct area. a lot of sex workers come to new york because clients pay more. that would explain why she hasnt been identified by family (no national media coverage).

 

[Salsa]

this person went missing in 1997....i would estimate well over a million women probably had c-sections over a time frame that is not very concrete....as new york/long island is one of the most populated areas in the world. the bristol thing may or may not be a good lead...but even that would be like finding a needle in a haystack. I understand your ideas...just saying that from experience, these things are not feasible.

In year 2000 New York, there were

5,750 African American women who had birth by Cesarean section not millions.​

They can ask each hospital and each Obstetrician group to look into their medical records and look to see if child has had medical care best death year.

 

[CCSsalt3257]

the other thing too is that suffolk county should be doing a other canvas of ocean parkway. "peaches" torso found far away in hempstead park, yet her limbs were found off of ocean parkway. most likely her skull would be along ocean parkway as well no? skull would help you get an indentification maybe through dental

 

[Judgedredd]

this person went missing in 1997....i would estimate well over a million women probably had c-sections over a time frame that is not very concrete....as new york/long island is one of the most populated areas in the world. the bristol thing may or may not be a good lead...but even that would be like finding a needle in a haystack. I understand your ideas...just saying that from experience, these things are not feasible.

In year 2000 New York, there were

5,750 African American women who had birth by Cesarean section not millions.​

They can ask each hospital and each Obstetrician group to look into their medical records and look to see if child has had medical care best death year.

5,750.....in one year...so in a 4 year span that would be over 25,000. Logistically and legally impossible to follow up, as I've previously stated.

 

[CCSsalt3257]

the only other thing too is that with "peaches" being a sex worker, she most likely did not have health insurance. many times when people without health insurance enter hospitals for treatment or care, they go in as john/jane does.

 

[Salsa]

It is absolutely in no way feasabilbe to go to "all local hospitals" and find out who had C-sections done in those years. First off the sheer logistics of doing so would be overwhelming, as you there could be literally thousands of people that had that procedure done. Secondly and perhaps most importantly is the fact that medical records are privileged information ,and without a court order, or written consent from the patient, they are off limits to investigators. A judge may grant a court order if you had one person of interest, and very compelling evidence; however there is no way a judge would order every hospital in the area to turn over medical records for thousands of people spanning years just to follow up a hunch. Also just because someone lives in a particular area now, doesn't necessarily mean that they have always lived there, or had a medical procedure performed there, so that in and of itself would render it a snipe hunt.

They (authorities) wouldn't need to sift through medical records. They could ask the local hospitals and obstetrician.peditrician groups divided by the number in the given year, 2000 showed around 5,300. They can themselves look through their own records and find out if a child is accounted for, medical visits past the death year. By the average number of Cesarean by Race AA yearly it does not equate to huge numbers for each establishment. They will not be giving info or names but what they can give is a, 'wait a minute, we cannot account for baby x past this year and no follow ups, then authorities can see if the child has every been enrolled in a school.

I am giving a possibility and this is only my opinion. It won't hurt if they cannot figure out who the woman and child are and it remains a Baby Doe and Jane Doe for another ten years.

 

[CCSsalt3257]

unfortunately children are extremely difficult to track after birth until they are about 18. they do not pay taxes, pay utilities, there is no database for doctors visits, no national database for schooling, no social media when real young, etc. no reason why a mother has to have follow up visits at the same hospital, they could go anywhere in the world. law enforcement would have to subpoena every doctors office within a 3 hour ride for records...would imagine your numbers would be over a million

 

[Salsa]

5,750.....in one year...so in a 4 year span that would be over 25,000. Logistically and legally impossible to follow up, as I've previously stated.

this person went missing in 1997....i would estimate well over a million women probably had c-sections over a time frame that is not very concrete....as new york/long island is one of the most populated areas in the world. the bristol thing may or may not be a good lead...but even that would be like finding a needle in a haystack. I understand your ideas...just saying that from experience, these things are not feasible.

the carpet fiber - manufacturing stuff doesnt happen in real life...only on tv shows like csi and in movies like murder by numbers. just trying to give you some insight.

i would think "peaches" is most likely not from the ny/ct area. a lot of sex workers come to new york because clients pay more. that would explain why she hasnt been identified by family (no national media coverage).

I suppose all the true crime shows were lying when they were going through all the carpet and other fiber test and matching them to 1/mil or whatever number in identifying and making a match. These shows were not CSI, but investigative reports type programs. They could have made it up for entertainment purposes. I am not going to argue my opinion, it is only my intuition that this is where the answer lies. Whether it can be done is up to the investigators. I am only trying to think and figure out a way they can identify the Baby Doe and it seems logical to start with where there could be documents and an identity.

 

[Super Sleuth]

Maybe the killer is the father of baby doe ? Peaches was his girlfriend/wife?

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I agree

 

[Salsa]

All of what your saying could very well be true. 22% had CS in the country in 97. Say 4,747 AA in New York via CS, place in a few other factors and the number will be less. Divide that between all the hospitals and by chance ask the community of Obstetricians and Pediatricians if there is a way. It couldn't hurt. Plus the tattoo may be in a medical file.

Parents who don't send their children to school are found out and sent to jail. I do not know the system but it is traceable somehow. I do not know how the birth registration, government registration and school registration are accounted, but they know if a school age child is not registered in that county for school. If you have too many absences that are not accounted for and are vacation days, not laying between certain gov't protocol, can warrant an arrest of a parent.

The child will have had to had certain shots to begin school. Measles, Mumps, Rubella, whichever is required. Which of those smaller numbers from each hospital fell off the radar, no shot record= no school.

 

[Super Sleuth]

NamUs: https://www.identifyus.org/en/cases/11652

 

[khofman]

Here's the news report. I hadn't seen it before the radio show, and nearly fell out of my chair when Rachel and Josh announced it on air.

Please post the link for the show once it becomes available! I for one cannot wait to hear & hope MSM provides some additional coverage to this case given the anniversary


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[Salsa]

http://articles.latimes.com/1996-11-10/news/mn-63244_1_baby-jane-doe

The detectives tried everything. They looked up birth records of every baby born in the sprawling county in 1988 and 1989 and visited homes to check on the welfare of each one.

was hard for a visitor to miss Baby Jane Doe in the red brick offices of the Yavapai County Sheriff's office on Prescott's main street. Sitting in the entryway was a plaster bust of the baby's head, a silent, daily reminder of the failure to crack the case.
Every time Sheriff Buck Buchanan walked by, he had an eerie feeling. He could almost hear the whispered plea: "Help me."

I know it will probably be a bust and not doable, but they could pull the birth certificates of age range in year of AA cesarean listed on certificate, and with use of computers or like this gentleman look themselves, check on the welfare of each child. Most will be easily tracked through internet and records, even through Facebook etc., the name of child may produce a living person of the older age living. The mother's page showing family. This is only one easy way. The child you cannot check and has never had school shots, attended school, mother and child are nowhere to be found on internet may be your Baby Doe and Jane Doe.

 

[Salsa]

[h=4]Can the police get my medical information without a warrant?[/h]A: Yes. The HIPAA rules provide a wide variety of circumstances under which medical information can be disclosed for law enforcement-related purposes without explicitly requiring a warrant.[iii] These circumstances include (1) law enforcement requests for information to identify or locate a suspect, fugitive, witness, or missing person (2) instances where there has been a crime committed on the premises of the covered entity, and (3) in a medical emergency in connection with a crime.[iv]



Nothing panned out. And then, more than a month into the investigation, the detectives caught what they thought could be a break: Baby Doe appeared to have a particular kind of sealant on her teeth.

It was a long shot, but it might be a way to find her identity.

Herman walked into a Revere dentist's office July 31, carrying a list of more than 50 providers who had applied sealant to the teeth of hundreds of children in Suffolk County. He expected the roster to grow.

For two years, until late 2013, MassHealth covered sealants for baby teeth in Massachusetts, an expensive procedure that many parents skip if they are paying out of pocket. Detectives pulled records of MassHealth reimbursements for the procedure, and set to calling each dentist who had made a claim, asking them to search their records for young girls.

Dentist Leo P. Corey had two patients who fit the criteria. One had a chipped front tooth, which ruled her out: Corey pronounced Baby Doe's teeth "disgustingly normal" after looking at pictures on Herman's cellphone. Corey made photocopies of the other file, with its careful chart of the little girl's mouth.

Every new name presented detectives with a contradiction: hope that the little girl attached to it was still alive, and hope that she was their Baby Doe.

[FONT=&amp]Dental records, in paper or electronic format, are considered Protected Health Information and are subject to the same Federal scrutiny for privacy and security as full medical records.[/FONT]

 

[deedee21]

I had a feeling that Peaches was the toddlers mother after watching the show. It made sense.We wondered why the toddlers mother was not in NAMUS? Thats because she already was. Field notes asked the ME why she was not in NAMUS? The ME said there was something about her profile the detectives did not want out there. I figured LE must know who she is in order to make a decision like that. They did. In a sense.

 

[deedee21]

I did not hear the show yet. Did LE actually say Peaches is the toddlers mother?

 

[deedee21]

So on the radio show they're saying that Peaches' connection had been made long ago but they're just now releasing it. Why now, though? Because of TKS exposure? Interesting. [emoji848]


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I did not believe the woman who called the tattoo artist was Peaches mother. Wouldnt she have addressed her daughter by name? Wouldnt she have claimed her daughters remains? Someone was put up to making the call. Not understanding the implications. I believe one person is responsible for all the killings. His phone games go back to the nineties.

 

[Salsa]

unfortunately children are extremely difficult to track after birth until they are about 18. they do not pay taxes, pay utilities, there is no database for doctors visits, no national database for schooling, no social media when real young, etc. no reason why a mother has to have follow up visits at the same hospital, they could go anywhere in the world. law enforcement would have to subpoena every doctors office within a 3 hour ride for records...would imagine your numbers would be over a million

Law enforcement does not need a subpoena.

[h=4]Can the police get my medical information without a warrant?[/h]A: Yes. The HIPAA rules provide a wide variety of circumstances under which medical information can be disclosed for law enforcement-related purposes without explicitly requiring a warrant.[iii] These circumstances include (1) law enforcement requests for information to identify or locate a suspect, fugitive, witness, or missing person (2) instances where there has been a crime committed on the premises of the covered entity, and (3) in a medical emergency in connection with a crime.[iv]

They could go in and actually request all the names of AA women of a certain year(s) who had a cesarean birth. It would take a highly dedicated officer such as the examples I posted. Heck, you give 4000 names to some dedicated sleuthers here and they will have every last name accounted for within 24 hours, no sleep.