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Ok, bumping this up after listening to JB's line of questioning today. Does anyone now think this is where they may be going??
 
Alright - Long time lurker, first time posting!:woohoo:

Watching Jose's line of questioning has really got me thinking about just HOW MANY imaginary friends Casey has. There are tons! :crazy:

However... and this is a big one. I know someone who has a ton of imaginary friends as well. She makes up very elaborate stories... much better than Casey's, actually. I am very close with her, and she actually confessed this to me. I am not sure if her reasoning is the same as Casey's, but I figure I should speak up to let you know what I've been told by someone who has confided in me and been completely candid regarding their situation.

Here goes - My friend said her elaborate 'other-world' started when her parents were getting divorced when she was about 10. It was her way to escape from 'reality' and her problems with her family. When her parents would start to fight, she would go into this other world. She would go somewhere her parents couldn't find her and just pretend that her life wasn't as bad as it seemed. She never thought anyone would like her for her, so she would make stuff up just so that people would 'love' her as she felt like the world was against her. She is very smart and mature, but can also be very childish at times (even having security objects from childhood). I could write so much more about this, but I'm not sure if anyone is really interested in hearing about this other point of view.

I have asked her about this case and what she thinks of Casey; her opinion is that there must be something that triggered her to start making up all of these people and her home-life most likely has played a part in her imaginary world of thinking and that Casey never really grew up.

Just figured I'd throw that out there. Don't shoot!
:truce:
 
skip.laurent said:
Alright - Long time lurker, first time posting!:woohoo:

Watching Jose's line of questioning has really got me thinking about just HOW MANY imaginary friends Casey has. There are tons! :crazy:

However... and this is a big one. I know someone who has a ton of imaginary friends as well. She makes up very elaborate stories... much better than Casey's, actually. I am very close with her, and she actually confessed this to me. I am not sure if her reasoning is the same as Casey's, but I figure I should speak up to let you know what I've been told by someone who has confided in me and been completely candid regarding their situation.

Here goes - My friend said her elaborate 'other-world' started when her parents were getting divorced when she was about 10. It was her way to escape from 'reality' and her problems with her family. When her parents would start to fight, she would go into this other world. She would go somewhere her parents couldn't find her and just pretend that her life wasn't as bad as it seemed. She never thought anyone would like her for her, so she would make stuff up just so that people would 'love' her as she felt like the world was against her. She is very smart and mature, but can also be very childish at times (even having security objects from childhood). I could write so much more about this, but I'm not sure if anyone is really interested in hearing about this other point of view.

I have asked her about this case and what she thinks of Casey; her opinion is that there must be something that triggered her to start making up all of these people and her home-life most likely has played a part in her imaginary world of thinking and that Casey never really grew up.

Just figured I'd throw that out there. Don't shoot!
:truce:
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MPD/DID is not an excuse to lie. It is a coping mechanism that a child would develop at a very young age. Almost all known cases of MPD/DID are developed before a child ever reaches the age of 5 years old. Its not simply just making people up in your head either. When one has a legitimate diagnosis of MPD/DID they create parts of themselves that hold the 'bad/traumatic' memories that the core personality cannot handle.

I am diagnosed with DID/MPD and I do not believe that Casey is. There is nothing to indicate that she experienced a traumatic childhood, and therefore there would be no need for her to create these other personalities.

I think she just lied for the hell of it. And may TRY to use this as a way to escape the death penalty, but being DID/MPD does NOT excuse you from being responsible for your behavior.
 
300.14 Dissociative Identity Disorder

This is the DSM code for diagnosis/insurance/etc. This replaced the MPD classification.

If there is a DSM code, there should be enough 'clinical evidence' the condition is valid.

That is not to say that I believe ICA suffers from this, and the fact that the psych testimony won't be heard tells me the DT knows this - I still believe she is an undiagnosed psychopath and is dangerous.
IMHO
 
Oh don't get me wrong DID does exist and is a legitimate diagnosis, but I don't think it fits Casey.
 
Ladybass0711 said:
MPD/DID is not an excuse to lie. It is a coping mechanism that a child would develop at a very young age. Almost all known cases of MPD/DID are developed before a child ever reaches the age of 5 years old. Its not simply just making people up in your head either. When one has a legitimate diagnosis of MPD/DID they create parts of themselves that hold the 'bad/traumatic' memories that the core personality cannot handle.

I am diagnosed with DID/MPD and I do not believe that Casey is. There is nothing to indicate that she experienced a traumatic childhood, and therefore there would be no need for her to create these other personalities.

I think she just lied for the hell of it. And may TRY to use this as a way to escape the death penalty, but being DID/MPD does NOT excuse you from being responsible for your behavior.
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I absolutely agree with that. My friend knows right from wrong, etc. I do not believe that it is an excuse, and I'm not saying that I think that Casey is innocent because of this by any means.

My friend was not abused as a child, but her family 'looked' perfect until you went behind closed doors and realized that there was a lot of fighting and yelling between adults and that going into 'imaginary-land' was her coping mechanism. Who knows what happened behind closed doors that Casey's family isn't talking about. There could have been a lot of yelling matches in the house when she was growing up or any number of things.

Something is definitely amiss with that girl and I'd love to know when she started making up these elaborate lies. Does anyone know if that's ever been addressed at any point?
 
Beatrice said:
Hmmm....
Cindy is going for counseling about "what to do with Casey's attitude"
The counselor suggests that Casey and Caylee need to bond.
George & Cindy are taking a vacation & expect things to change for the better when they get back.......
or else they will raise Caylee on their own.
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countzero said:
Where did you get this info from?
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Hi Beatrice, Not being snary here, but this info is NOT true about the counselor.

In the SAOs depo with CA, Linda asked about this. CA stated that she had gone to see the counselor provided by her employer. She went because of financial issues with GA as well as ICA. There was no testimony about "what to do with Casey's attitude". Nor is there any testimony to Linda about CA/GA raising Caylee on their own. This is a myth and internet gossip. We don't know if this session even happened. CA told Debbie about it. We will find out during the trial I guess.

The other false info out in cyberspace is the one where CA/GA/ICA had "legal" papers draw giving CA/GA custody of Caylee should anything happen to ICA. CA stated during the same SAO depo to Linda that Paul K, their long time attorney/friend did it, but when LE asked Paul K, he denied it. Nor has this legal paper been released by way of the sunshine act.

One can find this depo upstairs in the reference thread session. There are two parts to it and I am not sure which part this info is in.
 
skip.laurent said:
Alright - Long time lurker, first time posting!:woohoo:

Watching Jose's line of questioning has really got me thinking about just HOW MANY imaginary friends Casey has. There are tons! :crazy:

However... and this is a big one. I know someone who has a ton of imaginary friends as well. She makes up very elaborate stories... much better than Casey's, actually. I am very close with her, and she actually confessed this to me. I am not sure if her reasoning is the same as Casey's, but I figure I should speak up to let you know what I've been told by someone who has confided in me and been completely candid regarding their situation.

Here goes - My friend said her elaborate 'other-world' started when her parents were getting divorced when she was about 10. It was her way to escape from 'reality' and her problems with her family. When her parents would start to fight, she would go into this other world. She would go somewhere her parents couldn't find her and just pretend that her life wasn't as bad as it seemed. She never thought anyone would like her for her, so she would make stuff up just so that people would 'love' her as she felt like the world was against her. She is very smart and mature, but can also be very childish at times (even having security objects from childhood). I could write so much more about this, but I'm not sure if anyone is really interested in hearing about this other point of view.

I have asked her about this case and what she thinks of Casey; her opinion is that there must be something that triggered her to start making up all of these people and her home-life most likely has played a part in her imaginary world of thinking and that Casey never really grew up.

Just figured I'd throw that out there. Don't shoot!
:truce:
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No shooting :)
I think the trigger was the birth of her child. Yes, there were incidences like the graduation and pregnancy that she WITHELD damaging information from her parents but the true lying and manipulation started when Caylee was born. I think child birth/becoming a mother is a pretty major life event and if you already have sociopathic tendencies, this could be a major trigger to bring on a psychotic break to the dark side.
MHO of course.
 
skip.laurent said:
Alright - Long time lurker, first time posting!:woohoo:

Watching Jose's line of questioning has really got me thinking about just HOW MANY imaginary friends Casey has. There are tons! :crazy:

However... and this is a big one. I know someone who has a ton of imaginary friends as well. She makes up very elaborate stories... much better than Casey's, actually. I am very close with her, and she actually confessed this to me. I am not sure if her reasoning is the same as Casey's, but I figure I should speak up to let you know what I've been told by someone who has confided in me and been completely candid regarding their situation.

Here goes - My friend said her elaborate 'other-world' started when her parents were getting divorced when she was about 10. It was her way to escape from 'reality' and her problems with her family. When her parents would start to fight, she would go into this other world. She would go somewhere her parents couldn't find her and just pretend that her life wasn't as bad as it seemed. She never thought anyone would like her for her, so she would make stuff up just so that people would 'love' her as she felt like the world was against her. She is very smart and mature, but can also be very childish at times (even having security objects from childhood). I could write so much more about this, but I'm not sure if anyone is really interested in hearing about this other point of view.

I have asked her about this case and what she thinks of Casey; her opinion is that there must be something that triggered her to start making up all of these people and her home-life most likely has played a part in her imaginary world of thinking and that Casey never really grew up.

Just figured I'd throw that out there. Don't shoot!
:truce:
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Welcome skip.laurent :welcome:

Was your friend an only child (or oldest)? Imaginary friends are quite common in young childhood, especially among only children - I think your friend is an extreme case (holding on to IF into adulthood) but since she knows they are imaginary and knows the difference between right and wrong - this may still just be self soothing after having a hard time getting that kind of attention while going through a difficult time in her youth.
 
I'll bet Casey was lying and had imaginary friends long before she got pregnant and had Caylee. I wouldn't be surprised if it started in childhood. She probably lied to avoid getting in trouble when she did wrong. My middle daughter is very intelligent and she had a large collection of imaginary friends before she was in kindergarten. We'd go to the dinner table and sit down and she would scream that we were sitting on one of her little friends. Our daughter has bi-polar disorder and, unfortunately, was raped numerous times at age 12 by a man from our church who was about 11 years older than she was. She acted out during her teen years and ran away several times, made a suicide attempt, and had her first child at 15, followed by 3 more children (married and divorced the father of the first 3). She is in her early 30's now and still lies a lot. (No longer has imaginary friends.) However, she has NEVER tried to harm any of her children! She loves her children and has struggled to raise them, often by herself. Her kids are her life! Lies are often used to manipulate people and for the person to get her way and what she wants. It can also be a way to use people. The person knows the lies are wrong but doesn't seem to realize that she will be caught in the lie at some point. In fact, the person lying can be angry at the person who caused their lie to be found out! They never seem to blame themselves. Its always someone else's fault.
 
I am researching an adult with her IMAGINARY LIFE SYNDROM

seems so far like it is a defense mechanism.
Casey may have felt alone & unloved.
Got jealous of all the love attention & the focus going from her the baby in the family to CAYLEE who she resented due to her taking the attention and love away from her.

Now, as much as that is not an excuse for ICA to murder Caylee, she probably felt once CAYLEE was gone, she would have the love back that CAYLEE took from her.
Plus?
Why did a family not realize how sick ICA is?
A child has no place in a world that an adult in charge of her made up.
ICA as admitted by her defense lived in an imaginary world.

Caylee was a problem since she was a real child, with real needs.ICA had no job to pay for any of her needs.
Her shopping sprees did not include one thing for CAYLEE.
I find that very telling...
 
I don't think it's correct to refer to these people as "imaginary" because that implies that KC believed these people existed. These were just situations and people she talked about so that she would appear affluent (Nanny) and popular to her new friends.
 
Cindy is poor me. Casey is it's all about me. Caylee never had a chance to be anything but,a tug of war between the two!
 
Consider Pseudologia Fantastica
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Russell
 
Ummm... I have been in a support group over an extended period of time with several women diagnosed with multiple personality disorder. Their "Alters" are not imaginary friends outside themselves. They do not speak of them as if they know them externally- phone numbers, jobs, friends in common etc.

The DT better tread carefully with this one, IMO. For each woman I knew from my group, the way they are making it out to be with ICA, is not the way it is with individuals diagnosed MPD and this will come out, if need be, through a professional.
 
Knot4u2no said:
Consider Pseudologia Fantastica
Pseudologia fantastica - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Russell
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Reading through that Wikipedia article, Casey does seem to meet all four criteria for Pseudologica Fantastica/Pathological Lying. I'm still really confused as to why she wasn't diagnosed as such by the psychiatrists that met with her. At that pre-trial hearing, didn't the DT disclose that she has no DSM-IV diagnoses?
 
Wholehearted said:
Reading through that Wikipedia article, Casey does seem to meet all four criteria for Pseudologica Fantastica/Pathological Lying. I'm still really confused as to why she wasn't diagnosed as such by the psychiatrists that met with her. At that pre-trial hearing, didn't the DT disclose that she has no DSM-IV diagnoses?
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Pseudologica Fantastica is not a DSM diagnosis. It is a fancy way of describing a pathological liar. For example, Munchausen’s syndrome is the most severe and chronic form of Factitious Disorder with physical signs and symptoms (DSM-IV-TR 300.19), which often results in repeated hospitalizations, traveling, and of course, pseudologia fantastica.

Russell
 
Knot4u2no said:
Pseudologica Fantastica is not a DSM diagnosis. It is a fancy way of describing a pathological liar. For example, Munchausen’s syndrome is the most severe and chronic form of Factitious Disorder with physical signs and symptoms (DSM-IV-TR 300.19), which often results in repeated hospitalizations, traveling, and of course, pseudologia fantastica.

Russell
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I have a question - since the bulk of her lies seem to revolve around deceiving one set of people so that she can do something with another set of people without the first ones knowing (ex - lying to parents so she could party, lying to Amy so she could be with Tone, etc) - is that an indication of true pathological lying or just simply acting like a spoiled brat? The other facet of her lying seems to be a little more "psychological" based - examples would be her insistence that she was an event planner, college student, etc and had a nanny.

This is just a fascinating subject for me. I am acquainted with an individual who also make up fantastical stories about his younger life/background that are clearly not true and serve to make him look better/more interesting than the rest of us, but he does not lie as Casey does to get out of responsibilities, etc. In fact, this individual is gainfully employed, stable and has a wife and children that he adores and takes good care of.

So, I am guessing one can be a pathological liar without being a sociopath as well?
 
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