BuffaloChuck
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This family's kids have such a long history of parents' lying. And it hasn't stopped yet.
ITA, and three shrinks examined her over the weekend. Obviously, nothing was found.This is akin to an insanity defense and I do not think they have a prayer with that fwiw.
Don't forget, she couldn't go to Puerto Rico because she had to take care of Caylee. I think her resentment at Amy's free lifestyle had something to do with the theft.The following characteristics of a psychopath, defined by Hervery M. Cleckley in 1941 in the book Mask of Sanity include:
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Acting all besties with Amy so she could have a car, more money to steal, etc...
I definitley think TL did not care as much for her as she THOUGHT he did. I beleive she THOUGHT she made him love her....but also I think that she could have cared less about him (in actual fact)...only for as long as he was useful did she/would she continue to...act that affectionate toward him.
Don't forget, she couldn't go to Puerto Rico because she had to take care of Caylee. I think her resentment at Amy's free lifestyle had something to do with the theft.
And TL testified that she told him she loved him and he told her he loved her. I think TL was thoroughly entranced with KC; he seemed very disillusioned at this outcome.
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I would bet my last dollar that in addition to being 'CHIEF-LIE-MAKER-UPPER' as well as 'spiritual adviser', CA is the family counselor too!
ITA, and three shrinks examined her over the weekend. Obviously, nothing was found.
Here is my take on the family Anthony. CA is BPD with huge narcisstistic traits. ICA the same, but actually is a sociopath. GA, passive aggressive, addiction issues, anger issues, not very bright, needy, dependant personality. LA..trying to be the good boy so he finally gets mommy's love. Can't be done. His issues reflect years of trying to figure out the code to acceptance in this family and failing everytime. But I think think there is hope for him after tons of therapy and moving physically away from this family. So many of the forums have posts about how much CA loved Caylee. I suspect had this poor child lived, CA would have repeated the same mo with this child. CA's love is self love.JMO
This.
i've had to detach from the trial a lot because i started to realize how similar my family is to the Anthonys. Thankfully i moved far away from them when i was 18, which saved my life. Several years later, though, they still have a negative influence on me. Somehow i can't get free. My mother rewrites reality all the time and refuses to consider anyone else could be right - JUST like CA. My mother's philosophy is "it's not a lie if no one can prove the truth."
Watching CA now makes me physically ill. Too close to my reality. And this case has triggered a grief response in myself regarding my own low self-esteem and learned helplessness from years of my "dictator" mother. it gets in - it never goes away. i've never had a successful romantic relationship and even friendships take a lot of effort. These realizations have all come from watching this trial!!
This family is so tragic - and it is but one of many like them.
Sorry for my Sunday morning confessional but reading this thread is intense for me! :crazy:
i have a similar picture of my daughter at almost 1 year old, crying and screaming and reaching her arms at me because she wanted the camera. MINUTES BEFORE she had been laughing and playing happily and i wanted to take a video, and SHE wanted the camera, and i did not give it to her, and HOLY TANTRUM. i think this pic, as well as the "snothead" thing, are not completely uncommon things and do not prove her to be a psychopath. i have taken pictures of my kids when crying (usually because they are crying between the time i think "this would make a great picture" and actually focus the camera on them - kids can be moody!) and called them little snots or punks. but then, i also love and respect them, discipline the older one (younger one is too young for discipline) in a gentle and calm manner with words, and care more about my children than i could care about anything else in the world. so maybe it doesn't matter that i have a picture here and there of a tantrum or tell my husband that one of the kids is being a punk-@$$ jerk when they are awake at 10 pm and i am exhausted.....
I was comparing the similarities between ICA and Ted Bundy and I came across this article that I found to be very interesting.
Ted Bundy: Psychiatric Information
The following is a deposition taken by Polly Nelson, who represented Bundy throughout the collateral appeal process. It was only at this stage that the question of Ted Bundy's sanity was raised, though not in relation to the crimes. Nelson was hoping prove to the court that Bundy was not, at the time, comepetent to stand trial, therefore invalidating his conviction on three counts of murder. Dr. Emauel Tanay, who evaluated Bundy in 1979, is testifying as to what his findings were at that time.
http://www.skcentral.com/articles.php?article_id=24
I was comparing the similarities between ICA and Ted Bundy and I came across this article that I found to be very interesting.
Ted Bundy: Psychiatric Information
The following is a deposition taken by Polly Nelson, who represented Bundy throughout the collateral appeal process. It was only at this stage that the question of Ted Bundy's sanity was raised, though not in relation to the crimes. Nelson was hoping prove to the court that Bundy was not, at the time, comepetent to stand trial, therefore invalidating his conviction on three counts of murder. Dr. Emauel Tanay, who evaluated Bundy in 1979, is testifying as to what his findings were at that time.
http://www.skcentral.com/articles.php?article_id=24
Thank you everyone for your wonderful warm welcomes. I have been reading several of the post on this case, and I have to say I am so impressed with everyone's analogies. I find truth in a lot of the post and they give me a lot to think about. I have came to the right website that has very intelligent insightful post.
As far as GA and CA I believe personally there was some very extreme dynamics going on under their roof. GA and CA have a lot to do with creating a monster. They never held KC responsible for her actions, in fact just the opposite. Time and time again over the years the lies, the cover ups, everything pointing to a very dysfunctional household to the extreme. I believe GA being in the household for all these years, just sits back and lets it happen, all the while CA is molding a little "mini me" in KC (someone who believes their own lies) if you keep saying it long enough, it will be true in their world. GA eventually also wants to believe all the lies and bull$#%^ floating around that household, even though he knows what the truth is. GA has been in the household long enough to know how to play along with everything (it's so much easier to go along with the lies) then to call CA or KC out on the carpet. There is a peace you have when you deny and choose not to confront, it is so much easier, GA is taking the easy way out. Now CA really believes her own lies, she will never admit responsibility for how KC turned out or that her daughter KC actually murdered her granddaughter, she is so deep in her denial and lies, it now becomes her true reality and she will never face the truth ....ever, its the only way her mental state will survive and right now it's survival of the fittest in that household. As far as GA, he knows what the true reality is (that KC killed Caylee) but chooses to believe otherwise. You have to understand him, he MUST believe the lies and what his wife say's and what KC say's or else.........he will crack.... and one day I think he will. I don't know when it will be, but he's going to crack, he's not going to be able to hack it. He does not have the mental stamina that CA has.
Does anyone know of any interviews or have links to information about what people observed about her in adolescence and young adulthood to this time? I'm trying to figure out when she turned the corner. It sounds like she was a normal kid, an athlete, and then at some point, something changed.
Any info is appreciated. TIA.