Casey and TonE Chat Logs

[LCoastMom]

I think the reason she kept telling Tony and Amy she would be getting her own place is so they'd keep being her friend. It seems that all her old friends got sick of her lies and ditched her. Amy was about to be homeless so by KC saying "You can come live at my awesome house for low rent" of course Amy would stick around. Also, Tony was probably mad that he couldn't go over there or that she couldn't stay over a lot b/c she needed to be home with Caylee. By saying she would get her own place he probably thought he should just put up with it for a little longer so he could have all the time he wanted to spend the nights you-know-whating KC. I guarantee when the 3 days came up she probably said something like "it's getting pushed back one more month" and if she didn't get caught on the 15th, she would have kept up this charade for who knows how long.

These KC/TonE talks end in June, just days before she moved in with him!And Caylee disappeared. She wasn't caught until July!

 

[RR0004]

That exchange was on 6-10, I think her folks "split up" in July and that's when her mom was so glad she had TonE to go to for support and Caylee was being left with the nanny all the time because of all the ugliness in her parents house that KC didn't want to expose her to.

Gotcha!

 

[lin]

The same lack of logic applies to her identifying a ZFG (her nanny) as the kidnapper. Didn't she know that when LE found the person who fit the id that she would be able to prove there was no connection? Wouldn't have it been easier and smarter to have planned on saying a stranger kidnapped her?

There's just no logic to either plan/lie.

That's the troublesome thing about KC and what allowed her to commit this crime --- normal thinking patterns do not apply, much less logic. This is also why, imo, there continue to be surprises in this case. We just can't think like that or see that pattern as having any type of logic.

 

[lin]

OMG! Great post. Thank You so much for grounding the difference between the As and those of us who have been pulled into this.

Sometimes I sit here and compare the interactions of these peeps. I mean here we literally dissect them. Then a line has to be drawn between us.

Anyway, in our family----we have names we call the kids (at warm feelings times). My son calls his 10yr-----his lil doo-doo. I have always called the kids-----> well, you lil doo-doo (type of thangs). When I moved to PA. I called the lil boy doo-doo for something and my son and g/d looked like I had spit in their milk. I ask WHAT?? Well, I had to quit callin my babies lil doo-doo.

Would be nice to know what tone she used when she called Caylee "lil snothead". Because to be honest right now and right here--------> have called my babies -------> "Well, you lil head." But, it was not in a harmful tone. That is the line..........

Again----------Great post

Glad you understand. I can certainly understand "doo-doo" as I wrote. Sometimes something is just so precious and so gorgeous that normal words won't cover it; hence the seemingly derogatory references. Just so you know, my sis-in-law used a similar way of referring to her greatest blessing. Words like 'handsome' or 'prince' or whatever just didn't contain enough.

 

[LLH]

I have wondered about this is well. There was obviously some discord happening between Ga and Ca, for quite some time. It seems they were together only because of fnancial reasons, but even then they were on the brink of bankruptcy? What would keep them together at this point? We can deduce that there was bad vibes in the home, to say the least. We have viewed each family member expressing rage and anger, even towards each other. With the searches done on the computer, Someone in that house was considering doing to harm to someone else...OR afraid of someone else. It wouldnt be that difficult to see a scenario of a murder-suicide being staged. KC could easily do that if she can murder her own child. Dad kills mom and then kills himself?
I agree that Caylee was probably tattling on mommy. She was at the age where speech comes together well and forms fluid sentences. It makes me wonder, since Cindy had taken Caylee to see Grandpa in mt Dora the same day, if something wasnt said that infuriated Cindy. A confrontation ensues that afternoon or evening- and KC is really mad at Caylee for telling on her. This seems so likely- as it was Caylee who was murdered. I am not totally convinced KC would do this to get back at her mother- but I can see it happening if she felt that she was betrayed by Caylee...a double whammy. The duct tape is indicitive of wanting to shut her up- forever.

Just my own opinion and thoughts on this.

 

[MAMABEAR]

Sounds like there may have been some words exchanged between mom and daughter that very evening because of how Caylee acted before bed:
CA "My mom is in bed, my dad is working till 11 or so. the kid is passed the out."
L7tone "Oh"
CA "She kept telling mom that she's a boss, and was patting herself on the chest.?

Any thoughts?

What date was that? Caylee kept telling CA that she's a boss. HMMMMM
Wonder what else Caylee told "mom". Why did she mention that to him?

 

[DiDi]

Very true. It just escapes me though...because thank god, I don't think like KC...that if she had an actual plan to kill G&A, that she would honestly think she could say "Yeah, well, my parents were going to move out and give me the house, but coincindentally instead they are dead now, but you know, it's okay, I still get the house."

I agree, that's why I don't think she really had a plan to kill G & C. Imo, this was Casey just doing what she does, she lies, to everyone about everything. And apparently she's very good at at it. Because it's not just her immediate family that believes her lies, look, everyone close to her finds out what they have been convinced of, is all lies. My 2cents, TL was told the - KC getting the house & Amy moving in- story for one of two reasons. Either to cover her butt, or because Amy mentioned it. This plan came into action in early May I think. Amy and Tony met I think May 24th. Casey either told him anticipating Amy would talk about it while all together, or she actually did, and then KC had to explain it to him.

According to the transcript, Amy says the reason KC gave her the moving in was off, was because CA all of a sudden took it back because she had 30 days to negate the deal. Also told her then G & C were getting a divorce and all other kinds of verious stuff.

 

[MAMABEAR]

No, you are right. TR was a new cop, went through the academy with Jesse. Jesse made the mistake of showing off KC as his gf and TR jumped her bones in a heartbeat. Then there was nothing but a lot of KC stinging him along and not showing up. Sometime in May she went back to his place for seconds and then as far as we know, nothing.

LMAO-----------I don't member this---ya'll have such good memories. Thanks for letting me be on this trip with you all.

 

[amysmom]

I seriously hope TonE burned her BoSox hat! Just the thought of her being a member of 'Red Sox Nation' is making me ILL! Ugh! lol

TonE got it right about Ricardo..He is FUGLY! Sorry! But he got it all wrong about KC's family..Can't really blame him cos most parents of a 22 yr old wouldn't mind her boyfriend just stopping by to say "goodnight" or even stay awhile..I don't think Ricardo was ever at the A house & we all know how they dealt with Jesse!..What exactly is their problem? I don't think they ever wanted her to have a boyfriend..Period! How weird!

 

[MAMABEAR]

I'm with you on CA's lack of guilt. IMO she has been campaigning hard for KC's innocence because it interferes with her own "mother of the century" award she feels she's earned. She was more than willing to berate KC in private and to her friends, but when the media spotlight shone bright, she was on a mission to remake her daughter's image and ignore or neutralize any other perception. It has been said that a sociopath thinks they are the smartest person in the room; I think a narcissistic thinks they are the ONLY person in the room. CA was using both KC and Caylee to validate her own self-image it would appear. And her means-justifies-the-ends, defiantly throw everyone else under the bus attitude was certainly a model for her daughter.

Yup heard you say it fore, and it still rangs true.
:slap:

 

[LCoastMom]

CA supports CA only, imo. This show of support for KC is really because of how it reflects on CA, imo.

As much as it disgusts me I think you're probably right. Did no one ever tell Cindy once her kids are grown, they have their own mind, their own personality. It's no longer the parents responsibility to to stick up for them or to make it all better for them. We can't.

When my daughter was a Sr in HS she went on an 8 trip from AZ to NY and DC. She was already 18. I warned her if the other kids were screwing off at the hotel or whatever, she had to stay out of it. The kids under 18 would be treated as minors and the chaperons could take care of them, she on the other hand would be treated as an adult and thrown under the bus. And there was nothing any of us could do to fix it. Not that I expected her to screw off but when you take 240 kids to the big city and put them in hotel rooms without mommy and daddy (some for the first time) to watch them, carp does happen. She was fine, just like I expected her to be. But whatever happened on that trip good or bad was up to her.

Cindy has to learn her children are no longer a reflection of her. What they do may cause her pain or bring her delight but either way it's not her job to fix it or really involve herself in it the way she has. It's between KC and LE, KC and the state, KC and her atty. (Who no doubt does not answer to Cindy.)

 

[amysmom]

What date was that? Caylee kept telling CA that she's a boss. HMMMMM
Wonder what else Caylee told "mom". Why did she mention that to him?

Looks like Tues/June 10th to me..He asked her "where's your family" & she just came out with stuff about Caylee..I have NO clue why!

 

[natsound]

I think it was just a cute little blurb she wanted to share....same as the potty training. It was very clear Tony was not in the least bit interested. All of his conversation was about "getting his itch scratched."

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My thoughts exactly.

 

[Paintr]

posted by LLH
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I agree that Caylee was probably tattling on mommy. She was at the age where speech comes together well and forms fluid sentences. It makes me wonder, since Cindy had taken Caylee to see Grandpa in mt Dora the same day, if something wasnt said that infuriated Cindy. A confrontation ensues that afternoon or evening- and KC is really mad at Caylee for telling on her. This seems so likely- as it was Caylee who was murdered. I am not totally convinced KC would do this to get back at her mother- but I can see it happening if she felt that she was betrayed by Caylee...a double whammy. The duct tape is indicitive of wanting to shut her up- forever.

Just my own opinion and thoughts on this.

I had wondered abput this too, LLH. Cindy spent a lot of time with Caylee on Father's Day. KC wasn't there to cut Caylee off if she got on to a subject that KC didn't want mentioned. Kids that age love to prattle. Maybe Caylee mentioned something and Cindy asked a few questions, enought to find out something she didn't like. I always had the impression CA knew of the stolen Gparent money before Father's DAy, but whether she knew before or found out that day, I am sure Cindy had a few words with her mom about the subject.

Then CA spent the drive home with Caylee's revelation, the stolen money, and who knows what else brewing in her mind. There must have been a huge fight between KC and CA when CA finally reached home. That probably gave KC (in her mind) two big reasons (CA's accusations and recriminations and Caylee's big mouth) to take her anger out on Caylee.

 

[LCoastMom]

I seriously hope TonE burned her BoSox hat! Just the thought of her being a member of 'Red Sox Nation' is making me ILL! Ugh! lol

TonE got it right about Ricardo..He is FUGLY! Sorry! But he got it all wrong about KC's family..Can't really blame him cos most parents of a 22 yr old wouldn't mind her boyfriend just stopping by to say "goodnight" or even stay awhile..I don't think Ricardo was ever at the A house & we all know how they dealt with Jesse!..What exactly is their problem? I don't think they want her to have a boyfriend..Period! Weird!

Well as KC said, they haven't liked any of them! I gotta wonder how the imaginary one made out when they talked about him. He (the imaginary JH) took KC's car to be fixed (in imaginary land) and George told her to make sure to bring him the receipt so he could make sure he wasn't ripped off!

Stopping by to say a quick good night is one thing, stopping by, being loud enough to wake me or the baby up would be completely different. (Caylee slept in KC's bed correct?) If I come out to get a drink in the middle of the night I'm not dressed for public viewing, so I wouldn't appreciate stumbling upon a strange man. (At 1am any man I find in my house that I haven't met before would qualify as strange in my book.)

I don't think most parents would appreciate a young man they don't know hanging around the house at 1AM. On the other hand a boyfriend I have met and know he was out there (or might be) would be fine. I've always preferred to have my kids and their friends at my house, rather than out and about.

 

[butwhatif?]

She PROMISES Tony that she will have the house to herself in 3 days...that is on June 16.

She is telling Amy she can move her stuff over.

I am not sure Caylee was the intended victim. Maybe she chickened out with her parents and since she had the chloroform already mixed and good to go...?

I've never bought into the 'casey was planning to get rid of her folks' theory, but these IM's gave me pause...
But how could she think she would manage to do it, let alone get away with it? But then KC always seems to just wing it, without a whole lot of planning.
What if........She had told the lie of her folks moving out for no other reason than it was her fantasy and she thought nobody would ever question her when it didnt happen?
What if.......after telling these lies, and stealing money, and being caught up in all her man drama, she needed a way to get the focus of the lies. And she decided to stage a kidnapping or caylee being in some kind of accident to refocus their attentions there. Maybe the flurry of calls was going to be her cry for help when her daughter was kidnapped or injured....only nobody took her calls.

That would be reason for her folks to stay instead of moving out, and nobody would question it.
TonE was already calling her his sneakin lil gf. Her dad was onto her about her not really working. Her mom caught her out with a work lie when she saw the fusian pics. They were on to her money theft.
She needed an out from all of the lies...who's gonna worry about missing money, or her parents still living at the house when Caylee is missing?

 

[LCoastMom]

Yup------CA is the perfect mother------therefore she can't have a murdering daughter-----------KC didn't do it. nope--nope

Phew, thank you for clearing that up. Now LE can look for the real killer.

 

[butwhatif?]

3. Game talk into sex talk. TonE wants to come over to her house. She has to deflect him. Cindy's home, and George is supposed to get home shortly. This is where it gets REALLY interesting. There's a plan afoot and TonE has been made aware of it at some point before this IM on June 10th. "Just a few more days and you can bring your *advertiser censored* over here anytime you want, and stay whenever you want." This is the same plan she's been telling Amy, that George and Cindy are leaving and she's going to own the house.


5. "A couple days, , 3 days to be exact (that would make it June 13) the place is all mine and we can do as we please." I know we've all speculated on what she was going to do. This is the Friday before Father's Day. Now she's telling TonE it will be done, George and Cindy will be gone. She doesn't talk about Caylee being gone; she talks about G&C being gone, for good. But it grosses me out to think about it and realize that immediately afterward she transitions to sex talk again, specifically about how noisy she is. The implications of heightened sexual stimulation and death is a whole field of study in psychology. But then, she "unfortunately still has too much damn respect for her folks." Wonder if that respect is why they're still alive to support her. Someone else pointed out that she kept the sex talk going as a hook, and I will agree to that. But interspersed into these other comments about her parents being "gone" and her "kid" is just a lot of ew ew ew for me.

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Great post.:clap:
So she's told Amy and TonE that her folks are moving out, but no mention of Caylee leaving too.But we know she wanted out of her mommy duties and more time with her man.
Maybe this is why she was telling people that Cindy had threatened to take custody of Caylee?
So if the three of them disappear, she can say that they took Caylee because KC is such a good mom that the courts would never remove Caylee from her care, so the A's took her and ran.
I have so many possible scenarios running through my mind atm, but one thing I know for sure is that KC is one very sick, twisted individual.
ETA:

Originally Posted by debs
You know, adding onto what you've got here.....Casey set this up to be George and Cindy moving out and leaving her with the house. We know there was never any such deal but Amy and TonE sure wouldn't have known. But what if the plan wasn't to adios G&C, but it always WAS about getting rid of Caylee, which then would serve as a reason why she wasn't getting the house because the family needed to stay together. But THAT plan went awry. Something changed where Casey couldn't be at her home. I know she used the fake story of George's heart attack as the stop gap as to why they weren't moving out. But what changed in her plans so that she never mentioned Caylee was gone in order to explain not getting the house? Why was Caylee gone and she didn't mention it to ANYONE? She had the perfect set up to get out of a lot of her lies there and she didn't (or couldn't) take it. And now, I'd really like to know why.

Maybe she realized that if caylee was reported missing she wouldnt be able to hang with TonE everyday....it would a 'waste...huge waste' filling out stupid missing persons reports, instead of having fights and make up sex with her man.
She could deal with that pesky missing kid issue later. At that moment she just wanted to be with the person she loved more than anyone....ever. The guy she'd only known for a month.

 

[LCoastMom]

OMG! Great post. Thank You so much for grounding the difference between the Ants and those of us who have been pulled into this.

Sometimes I sit here and compare the interactions of these peeps. I mean here we literally dissect them. Then a line has to be drawn between us.

Anyway, in our family----we have names we call the kids (at warm feelings times). My son calls his 10yr-----his lil doo-doo. I have always called the kids-----> well, you lil doo-doo (type of thangs). When I moved to PA. I called the lil boy doo-doo for something and my son and g/d looked like I had spit in their milk. I ask WHAT?? Well, I had to quit callin my babies lil doo-doo.

Would be nice to know what tone she used when she called Caylee "lil snothead". Because to be honest right now and right here--------> have called my babies -------> "Well, you lil head." But, it was not in a harmful tone. That is the line..........

Again----------Great post

Tony R was asking her to come over to his place (you know why) he offered to cook for her. (yeah we've heard it called that before too) KC didn't have a sitter, which was her usual reason for standing him up. She said "I could bring the little snot head with me" and then goes on to complain for 15 more minutes about not having a babysitter.

Just wasn't feeling any love in the conversation, compared to the love readily apparent when you say "lil doo-doo".

My 15/16 y o son and I were getting into it one day. I don't remember what it was over but it was wasn't really angry talk just butting heads when he tossed in a low blow and I looked at him and said "You S.O.B" which caused all the kids to stop in their tracks and drop their mouths open, then point at me and laugh "You just called yourself a B" which is exactly why I don't call my kids names, I don't do it right!! The only time I ever tried and I ended up calling myself a worse name than my son!! And anytime we're all together (preferably with company) they still bring up to this day, the day I admitted to being a B! The lil doo-doos!

 

[MAMABEAR]

Cindy had stated she had never heard of TonE, knew that Ricco was a friend (never knew him to be a bf) and thought KC's buddy Jeff H had been her bf since early in the year (around last Christmas I think she said).

She needed a place to stay, Ricco at that time no longer wanted her back.
She had enough cash that she stole from Amy that she could have left town any time she wanted. There was an initial 400 cash, then the checks she cashed at BofA. She could have been out of there if she had wanted to go and for some reason she was still in town.

I just spent 30 minutes looking and can't find the amts on the checks from BofA (I know we saw the canceled checks way back when) Anyway IIRC it was about $500 more in cash from BofA. That's $900.00 and I don't care who you are. $900.00 would have gotten her to CA with plenty of change in her pocket if she flew a red eye.

She could have left town w/o a trace if she wanted to go. Why did she stay?

Maybe because she had some loose ends to cut before she ran but the timing was off by one day.

YOU???