Casey and TonE Chat Logs

[trixi491]

http://filehost.justfreespace.com/670Computer Forensic Report.zip

This is where I found the chat originally. If you download this and then search through the folder there is a section called "fragments of conversations" where there's IMs with 6 different screenames (Tony R's was another one). I believe Ryan Pasley is one of the people she talks to and if you look she talks alot about her "vacation" and says that "the kid will be gone." She also says that "mommy duties have been kicking her butt."

 

[Jolynna]

I would be really interested to find out what she told tony and amy after those three days were up. Why weren't her parents gone?. Have I missed this or has it just not came out yet?

George had a mini-stroke and her parents were divorcing.

 

[debs]

Thanks for posting this exchange and the link. To be honest, when KC talks about Caylee calling herself a boss, and patting herself on the chest, that shows mommy pride. Doesn't fit in with the rest of her behavior, and sure doesn't fit in with her comment right before this one.

If you all recall, by August 14 and the jail visit, George is making certain Casey knows quite clearly that everyone understands SHE'S the boss of the corporation."

 

[debs]

When I get up the stamina I'm going to go back to the CA videos taped by FBI and LE. I know she tells quite some stories about the vacation/s she was scheduled for, the beach, etc. Something about the stories and what we knew at the point the videos were released made me ASSUME CA had kind of manipulated Casey about the vacations. Maybe I made the leap but when you figure in the time period Casey would have asked for the time off, and all the time CA had vacation near that PR time period, and the comments Cindy made to LE/FBI about the vacations it just seemed...well, it seemed to me like I could imagine Cindy taking ALL her vacation but not at the time of PR. Sure, maybe I totally imagined it and maybe CA books her vacation at the first of the year. I have to go back and listen to the videos.

The June calendar has notations on the 6th and 7th that George and Cindy are at the beach per Cindy's statements to LE. The PR trip happened the week of July 7, Amy returning on July 15th. Those calendars are invaluable. I believe they're in the sticky threads.

 

[logic13]

What really stands out to me in these chats is the fact that she is relaying the details of her work: her boss Tom..
as well as : the nanny and her roomates who play with caylee

Remember this was before Caylee went missing...

This is the same story she gave the detectives and same story and details as she had been faking in her email. She had a complete fake story in her mind to spill out to everyone, even before Caylee was gone.

I don't think she had any plans 3 DAYS LATER.. it is just yet more stories. It seams her lies are in everything she does.

JMO

 

[BonKai]

Well, we know that in 'three days' she actually flipped things around and moved in with him. Now those would be some interesting chat logs...

Respectfully snipped for space.

Interesting how she worked that out isn't it?

I would LOVE to see more chat logs between these two!

 

[Searchfortruth]

Check out borderline personality disorder. It shares a lot of characteristics with narcissistic personality disorder. One thing that leads me to this over other disorders, which may also be present, is the 'empty vessel' and 'role-playing' displayed by those who suffer. In essence, they have no personality of their own and take on roles that they play until they tire of them, like KC took on the role of mother for a while. Chameleon is a good descriptor because having nothing of their own to offer, they often take on the role of and appear to be like those with whom they associate. Remember how KC changed after hanging with JB a while? A good book on personality disorders that's been around forever is, "I Hate You - Don't Leave Me." The title alone suggests part of the pathology. Here are a few links and some quotes from the latter:

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/borderline-personality-disorder-fact-sheet/index.shtml

or

http://www.fortunecity.com/campus/psychology/781/bpd-dsm.htm

"...Individuals with Borderline Personality Disorder have a pattern of unstable and intense relationships (Criterion 2). They may idealize potential caregivers or lovers at the first or second meeting, demand to spend a lot of time together, and share the most intimate details early in a relationship. However, they may switch quickly from idealizing other people to devaluing them, feeling that the other person does not care enough, does not give enough, is not "there" enough. These individuals can empathize with and nurture other people, but only with the expectation that the other person will "be there" in return to meet their own needs on demand. These individuals are prone to sudden and dramatic shifts in their view of others, who may alternately be seen as beneficent supports or as cruelly punitive..."

"...There may be an identity disturbance characterized by markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self (Criterion 3). There are sudden and dramatic shifts in self-image, characterized by shifting goals, values, and vocational aspirations. There may be sudden changes in opinions and plans about career, sexual identity, values, and types of friends..."

"...The basic dysphoric mood of those with Borderline Personality Disorder is often disrupted by periods of anger, panic, or despair and is rarely relieved by periods of well-being or satisfaction. These episodes may reflect the individual’s extreme reactivity troubled by chronic feelings of emptiness (Criterion 7). Easily bored, they may constantly seek something to do. Individuals with Borderline Personality Disorder frequently express inappropriate, intense anger or have difficulty controlling their anger (Criterion 8). They may display extreme sarcasm, enduring bitterness, or verbal outbursts. The anger is often elicited when a caregiver or lover is seen as neglectful, withholding, uncaring, or abandoning..."

Thank you for the links, it certainly does describe much of Casey's behavior. They say there is no known cause, but in many with BPD there is a history of abuse, differant types. Do you think that Casey has other personality DO's along with the BPD ? This is interesting stuff.

 

[LCoastMom]

According to Lee's depo he told TL that Casey's bf was Ricardo...and that ws in July supposedly a couple of months after I "thought" she ended it. Lee was also aware that Casey was still "seeing" JG. I don't see casey having any allegiance to any man. IMO she needed to get the heck out of Dodge. Just wondering if TL was keeping her in FL or was he her ticket out?

Cindy had stated she had never heard of TonE, knew that Ricco was a friend (never knew him to be a bf) and thought KC's buddy Jeff H had been her bf since early in the year (around last Christmas I think she said).

She needed a place to stay, Ricco at that time no longer wanted her back.
She had enough cash that she stole from Amy that she could have left town any time she wanted. There was an initial 400 cash, then the checks she cashed at BofA. She could have been out of there if she had wanted to go and for some reason she was still in town.

I just spent 30 minutes looking and can't find the amts on the checks from BofA (I know we saw the canceled checks way back when) Anyway IIRC it was about $500 more in cash from BofA. That's $900.00 and I don't care who you are. $900.00 would have gotten her to CA with plenty of change in her pocket if she flew a red eye.

She could have left town w/o a trace if she wanted to go. Why did she stay?

 

[Jolynna]

I don't think she understood there was another meaning.

When they were throwing the L word around they'd just met two weeks before.

That doesn't mean Casey wasn't obsessed and desperate.

Never underestimate chemistry.

I don't think Susan Smith, Penny Beadreau or Diane Downs were really in love either. But, they thought they were. Oxytocin, the bonding hormone, is said to be more addictive than heroin.

Casey had lots of time to daydream. I don't think she was fantasizing about event planning. Or about things to do with Caylee.

 

[Searchfortruth]

Another question about the BPD issue, since Casey seemed to adapt her personality to the most important guy in her life, whoever that happened to be at the time...if TL was less than receptive to the idea of kids would Casey's issues make it more likely that she got rid of Caylee because of that ? I know it's not Tony's fault, and I would never suggest that he was even partly responsible, but maybe Casey's need to please coupled with any sociopathic tendencies, absence of remorse, could be the cause of Caylee's murder ? It looks like Casey is another Diane D. to me.

 

[MAMABEAR]

Imagine Cindy and George reading these texts/IMs

I have imagined that. LOL Don't worry, CA will explain it all away---->It's just pizza.

 

[Tracey276]

Wow, lots of interesting things in these exchanges. A small one that caught my eye is the fourth line from the end of the document, where Tony calls her "bella mia." Remind you of anything?

I was going to ask about this "bella mia" which Tony says and the meaning of her tattoo, right, bella vita? Is bella mia = beautiful one or my beautiful????

And I think Bella Vita was beautiful life, yes?

Is that how she came up with this italian thing or whatever she's attempting here, from Tony? thinks she's impressive. LOL!

 

[irishbosoxfan]

Sounds like there may have been some words exchanged between mom and daughter that very evening because of how Caylee acted before bed:
CA "My mom is in bed, my dad is working till 11 or so. the kid is passed the out."
L7tone "Oh"
CA "She kept telling mom that she's a boss, and was patting herself on the chest.?

Any thoughts?

I see this as being picked up from arguments--CA and KC going at it and CA pokes her chest and says something like "This is my house,I make the rules,I'm the boss."

I am ABSOLUTELY sure that Cindy will be reading these text messages. George, maybe not. But Cindy? Oh, yes.

Question if anybody knows: The conversation between George and Casey where he says to her that "other things may come out" was during her first trip to jail, right? And it was already known that she had stolen money from Amy, right? Could he have been referring to her stealing the money from the grandparents? Did George or Cindy ever tell police in those intitial interviews that they knew Casey had stolen from the grandparents? Or did that info come to LE later on, from Cindy's brother Rick?

Also wanted to ask, looking at the thread "Computer Forensics" in the Parking Lot, it certainly appears that George was the one going to the Escort websites. Anybody think Casey knew about this? Anybody think Cindy know about it?

How much money would it be possible to spend on escort services over a period of months if one was unemployed and tried real hard?

Escort sites can be used as free *advertiser censored*. A guy goes to the site,find one he likes and does what he "needs" to do and doesn't have to worry about not getting any from the wife or paying for it with money she'd notice gone be it by pay per view or pay website or IRL

 

[Crabcake23]

"THE KID"

She's already distancing herself from the child she suckled...

"The kid is passssssed the f@ck out..."

Exactly. Why I am surprised by this, I do not know. It's just so tragic. I have to go hug my boys now.

 

[lin]

Thank you for the links, it certainly does describe much of Casey's behavior. They say there is no known cause, but in many with BPD there is a history of abuse, differant types. Do you think that Casey has other personality DO's along with the BPD ? This is interesting stuff.

The co-morbidity rate is pretty high, is my understanding. If I were a mental health professional, I'd tell you it's impossible to diagnose anyone based on the limited amount we've seen and heard. Since I'm not, I'll say yes, I believe she has traits of narcissistic pd as well as antisocial pd and possibly even suffers from bipolar disorder, but imo, the latter is a bit of a stretch. If she does have it, my guess would be it's in early stages. Some other sleuths have had extensive discussions about her disorders as well as those of her family in the psychology threads. They're a very interesting read.

As for the cause of her BPD, well, there isn't always a known "cause" for personality disorders but in this case, martyrmom, the narcissistic control freak and the extremely weak father figure likely contributed to the early onset of her symptoms. At the least, they enabled her rather than getting appropriate treatment for her. That's the very, very sad truth about psychological disorders for more families than this one: people don't want to acknowledge their existence in those they love as if it's somehow more shameful than having a physical illness. Such a shame too because with proper treatment, many who suffer can have productive and even happy lives. Isn't that what we all want for those we love, especially our own children? Happy and productive lives?

 

[lin]

Cindy had stated she had never heard of TonE, knew that Ricco was a friend (never knew him to be a bf) and thought KC's buddy Jeff H had been her bf since early in the year (around last Christmas I think she said).

She needed a place to stay, Ricco at that time no longer wanted her back.
She had enough cash that she stole from Amy that she could have left town any time she wanted. There was an initial 400 cash, then the checks she cashed at BofA. She could have been out of there if she had wanted to go and for some reason she was still in town.

I just spent 30 minutes looking and can't find the amts on the checks from BofA (I know we saw the canceled checks way back when) Anyway IIRC it was about $500 more in cash from BofA. That's $900.00 and I don't care who you are. $900.00 would have gotten her to CA with plenty of change in her pocket if she flew a red eye.

She could have left town w/o a trace if she wanted to go. Why did she stay?

And once she got out of town, then what? Who would feed her and keep her? She didn't have enough to truly get away because Amy didn't have enough for her to steal. Some friend Amy was, huh? Not having more money for KC. (Oops, should have put up sarcasm alert.)

 

[Insomnia Momma]

Originally Posted by truecrime
Sounds like there may have been some words exchanged between mom and daughter that very evening because of how Caylee acted before bed:
CA "My mom is in bed, my dad is working till 11 or so. the kid is passed the out."
L7tone "Oh"
CA "She kept telling mom that she's a boss, and was patting herself on the chest.?

Any thoughts?



In an interview with LE TL he stated that HE taught Caylee that when they were hanging out at the pool and getting her to go around and say it to the other people at the pool. I think Casey was just telling him that Caylee liked him and was saying what he taught her.

I can find the interview if you'd like!

 

[truecrime]

Irishbosoxfan:
Escort sites can be used as free *advertiser censored*.

When CA was in jail and LA would talk to her, I got the impression that CA might have been doing some escorting on the side. (Just my opinion)

 

[truecrime]

Originally Posted by truecrime
Sounds like there may have been some words exchanged between mom and daughter that very evening because of how Caylee acted before bed:
CA "My mom is in bed, my dad is working till 11 or so. the kid is passed the out."
L7tone "Oh"
CA "She kept telling mom that she's a boss, and was patting herself on the chest.?

Any thoughts?



In an interview with LE TL he stated that HE taught Caylee that when they were hanging out at the pool and getting her to go around and say it to the other people at the pool. I think Casey was just telling him that Caylee liked him and was saying what he taught her.

I can find the interview if you'd like!

Thank you, I don't recall reading that in TL interviews, but I sure could have missed parts.

 

[lin]

When they were throwing the L word around they'd just met two weeks before.

That doesn't mean Casey wasn't obsessed and desperate.

Never underestimate chemistry.

I don't think Susan Smith, Penny Beadreau or Diane Downs were really in love either. But, they thought they were. Oxytocin, the bonding hormone, is said to be more addictive than heroin.

Casey had lots of time to daydream. I don't think she was fantasizing about event planning. Or about things to do with Caylee.

Obsessed and desperate, as well as lust, could equate love to KC. I just don't think she had the capacity for love as I understand it. I also don't think KC was able to bond with anyone, again, not like most of the rest of us do. Everyone was expendable to her, including her parents, friends no longer of any real use and even poor little Caylee.

I strongly agree with you about her fantasy life and believe that she spent so much time at it that it was easy for her to lie and make up details about non-existent things such as her job and school. Well, let me rephrase that --- I don't think she's really capable of much original thought so I think she incorporated thoughts/experiences of others into her fantasies.

Some, including CA she says, think KC deliberately incorporates some truths into her lies. I don't think so. I think she just isn't clever enough to make things up by herself and uses some truth or the truth of others as a basis for her lies. Some of it may not even be all her fault. She is very young and had very little life experience, despite being a mother at 19. She had never lived away from home, so had no concept of bills and running a household. She'd never really even been out of the area, at least not without her parents, is my understanding. She didn't go on to college so didn't get all the experiences that brings with new people and ideas, as do others. Her car was given to her by her parents; she wasn't responsible for the insurance or maintenance; GA even cleaned it for her! She didn't have a job and hadn't ever had much of a job, iirc. Her part time stint, (I think but not sure it was part time), at Kodak didn't have very much responsibility attached to it. Even if it was full time, still, it's not like she worked at different things and gained those experiences. Who knows? Maybe martyrmom woke her up and laid out her clothes on 'work days' like I do for my youngest on 'school days.'