Caylee Anthony General Discussion Thread #78

[Chilly Willy]

Has anyone formulated any theory as to why Casey "rolled over" for Cindy when Cindy wanted to call the cops?
I mean here we have Casey avoiding Cindy for a month, but she sticks around while Cindy calls the cops on her.
Why didn't she just take off? Did she finally want to tell someone about Caylee?
Was she tired of prolonging the inevitable and figured it would be easier if Cindy reported Caylee's disappearance?

Great question. I think Casey may have wanted to get the confrontation about the money and car out of the way so she could get back in Cindy's good graces and then ask for a handout. She probably didn't think Cindy would really report her to the police over the car and the money, and then when Cindy did, she probably thought Cindy wouldn't follow through with pressing charges. How she thought those things might happen without her producing Caylee is a mystery, but then so is much of what Casey did/does.

 

[SillyNilly]

Something prompted them to bring in the second dog when they got to the backyard.

Yes, and the explanation that was given my the dog trainer is that they wanted confirmation. They didn't want it to be said that the dog was probably wrong, so they got a backup dog for extra measure. That is what the dog trainer said.

 

[Sherbie]

Exactly. I'm a nurse.
Wounds, ulcers, amputated draining limbs! All distinctive putrid odors that are decomp. Necrotic(dead) tissue. The smell will imbed into your nostrils, your hair, your clothing.
Cindy is a home health nurse. I'm sure she's smelled it.

My mom had a radical mastectomy and a huge reconstruction surgery many years ago, and there were all kinds of drain tubes from her surgery sites. I gotta say, that was the most putrid (you picked just the right word) odor I have ever smelled in my life. Of course, none of us ever said a word about it and ignored it the best we could, but she knew and felt so bad that others were subjected that she actually cried about it, bless her heart.

Given how badly that smelled (nearly gagged just typing about it), I can only imagine that a body in actual decomposition would be so malodorous that one would never, ever forget or confuse the smell. Because Cindy herself is the one who claimed the car smelled like a dead body, I have to take her word for it that she would know that smell; otherwise, she would've said it smelled like _____ (soured milk, cat pee, dog poo, body odor, etc. -- something other than a dead body).

 

[QuickAttack]

This photo...was it made during booking? I know it's not the mugshot, but WTH?

I know she's a big ham, has an almost supernatural ability to know where a camera is and strike a pose...but this photo...is disturbing.

 

[SweetDreamOfYou]

Something prompted them to bring in the second dog when they got to the b

last night the police in their interview said that its normal procedure to call in dogs from somewhere else to verify a hit by their dogs
did that make sense?

 

[TxRose]

Has anyone formulated any theory as to why Casey "rolled over" for Cindy when Cindy wanted to call the cops?
I mean here we have Casey avoiding Cindy for a month, but she sticks around while Cindy calls the cops on her.
Why didn't she just take off? Did she finally want to tell someone about Caylee?
Was she tired of prolonging the inevitable and figured it would be easier if Cindy reported Caylee's disappearance?

Another thing that bugged me was that Cindy told Greta that she learned just before she made the 3rd 911 call that Caylee had been kidnapped. She said Lee and Casey were in the other room, and she walked in and overheard Casey tell her brother. She said Casey had been on the bed, but when she walked in she was on the floor crying. Cindy then panics and calls 911, obviously hysterical herself. But when the 911 operator asks to speak to Casey....Casey has no emotion. So which was it? Was she bawling on the floor or was she playing it cool? I vote for the latter.

 

[SelmaClue]

Has anyone formulated any theory as to why Casey "rolled over" for Cindy when Cindy wanted to call the cops?
I mean here we have Casey avoiding Cindy for a month, but she sticks around while Cindy calls the cops on her.
Why didn't she just take off? Did she finally want to tell someone about Caylee?
Was she tired of prolonging the inevitable and figured it would be easier if Cindy reported Caylee's disappearance?

You know what?
This question has also been on my mind.
Casey either has a bizarre mental disorder or Caylee really was abducted.
At this point, it's very hard to tell what's real and what could be fiction.

And, IMO, even if Caylee was abducted, it's still Casey's fault. She gave her child to someone that she didn't know, for a FACT, could be trusted. The charges, as they stand today, should definitely stick, regardless of the final outcome.

I have more to say but don't want to repeat things that have already been blabbed ten thousand times by others.

humble newbie,
Selma
:crazy:

 

[SuziQ]

OMG!
That sounds very logical to me!
The dogs smelled the odor, but were "confused", as the ground had been disturbed here and there. And causing the inconsistency!

What inconsistency and what confusion? The first dog hit on spots that except for the car have not been disclosed. Those didn't result in locating a body. So a second dog was brought in with a different handler and it hit on the same spots confirming where the first dog hit. This is in the bond hearing.

 

[panthera]

She certainly did have the ZG as an original idea or a backup - I'd love it if someone could prove me wrong on that one because I've become a little too obsessed on that issue.

I have seen maps that pinpoint all of the locations in the case, but I don't know where they are.

Can anyone track down a map for our good friend Panthera?

Thanks ~ I was looking for a map thread or list of addresses so I could look it up myself but didn't find it.

 

[Liz]

Well so far the story is she told him the car broke down and her dad was going to get it fixed. But I sure wonder if she stunk to high heaven when he picked her up and what excuse she gave for that!

Good thinking, SuziQ!

You know I never could find anything about what Tony said about that day. But she's a spinner so I would think she either told him dad would get it. But why leave the car seat? Wouldn't she need it later if she was in another vehicle?

Gigi, Casey allegedly did tell Tony her dad would take care of the car.

GREAT point you make about the car seat! IF she was really actively searching for Caylee, she would need that car seat when she found her!

Newbie to WS here. <snip>

:Welcome-12-june: to Websleuths, Selma!

All I can say is, I hope LE can prevent Ms. Anthony from roaming free -- and that somehow and soon, Caylee is brought home.

I'm kind of going back and forth lately wishing that she'd never been arrested, or at least not so soon; or that her bail will be lowered. That might be the *only* way we ever get some answers to where Caylee is (by LE following her and having access to phone calls she will inevitably make).

Again, welcome aboard, SelmaClue!

 

[ketel0ne]

Yes, and the explanation that was given my the dog trainer is that they wanted confirmation. They didn't want it to be said that the dog was probably wrong, so they got a backup dog for extra measure. That is what the dog trainer said.

As I said IMO dirt was moved in the backyard from the same areas the dogs hit on. I am not discounting the dogs, I believe if they were there the week of 6/16-6/20 they would have found the same places and possibly a body or a human could have detected the smell as well because it would have been more concentrated to the original spots. I see a total of 40-60 pavers in the backyard and know to get them level you have to move dirt. Thats all I am implying.

 

[TxRose]

What inconsistency and what confusion? The first dog hit on spots that except for the car have not been disclosed. Those didn't result in locating a body. So a second dog was brought in with a different handler and it hit on the same spots confirming where the first dog hit. This is in the bond hearing.

Where is Cindy getting that the first dog was inconsistent on its hits and that is why another dog was brought in. And that the second dog didn't hit in the same places? Same place she gets all her stories? Outer space?

 

[GameTheory]

Has anyone formulated any theory as to why Casey "rolled over" for Cindy when Cindy wanted to call the cops?
I mean here we have Casey avoiding Cindy for a month, but she sticks around while Cindy calls the cops on her.
Why didn't she just take off? Did she finally want to tell someone about Caylee?
Was she tired of prolonging the inevitable and figured it would be easier if Cindy reported Caylee's disappearance?

You know the first time I read about this story was through the news headlines and listening to that phonecall. Knew nothing at that moment. So I am hearing the phonecall and I hear a woman (Cindy) calling the police to report her stollen car while she sits in another car with the woman (Casey) that she is reporting and she wanted to turn into. I was like WHAT? How is she holding her? Did she manage to tie that woman somehow? Then I hear the second phonecall from the house where again Cindy speaks to 911 and wants to report Cayse for a stolen car. And Cayse is right there. And again I am like WHAT? Why isn't this woman running? Is she on drugs and she is high and she stole from her parents and her parents are calling the police - tough love? I was like OH WHAT the first time I heard the two 911 calls.

I HAVE NOOOOOOOOOOO CLUEEEEEEE YET why would Cayse sit there while her mother calls 911 and she even provokes her by saying ''go ahead and call''. I believe Cindy never wanted to report any crime, she wanted to make Cayse tell her where Caylee was. And this is obvious by her calmness in the first two 911 calls. It is by the third that Cindy realises this is serious and something is going on. But wowww Cayse is there right next to her and she is provoking her to call the police

My only theory at the moment: That Cayse was ready to play the part. She did what she did and perhaps was stalling reporting the abduction or whatever story she was thinking to use, because she was having so much fun with Tony coming back in town and it would be an inconvinience for her to go herself to report Caylee missing and have to deal with all that. Perhpas tomorrow or the day after. A day went buy and everybody believe the baby was with the nanny at the beach. A second day goes by and nobody asks about the baby being with the nanny. Why ruin her fun to go report it if she had all the time in the world to spend with the boyfriend? She must was having so much fun being all free and nobody bothering her staying with Tony that she was going to postpone it until someone was going to question about the whereabouts of the baby. And the car she abandoned came back to haunt her. Cindy tracks her down and it is time to roll the camera and go for her Oscar.

But honestly....who knows with Cayse....

 

[fixingtoburst]

You know what?
This question has also been on my mind.
Casey either has a bizarre mental disorder or Caylee really was abducted.
At this point, it's very hard to tell what's real and what could be fiction.

And, IMO, even if Caylee was abducted, it's still Casey's fault. She gave her child to someone that she didn't know, for a FACT, could be trusted. The charges, as they stand today, should definitely stick, regardless of the final outcome.

I have more to say but don't want to repeat things that have already been blabbed ten thousand times by others.

humble newbie,
Selma
:crazy:

Casey probably didn't want to be picked up in front of her friends.

 

[mkay882]

Casey's lawyer is telling her NOT to meet with the family..I would put all my money on that. I will also put money that her family will be denied ANY visitation in the future. Her lawyer is cutting them out.

One thing I still find odd and this is NOT a direct quote but Casey said something similar..when Casey called the house in the beginning and told her mom she had just seen her "cameo" on the news. Casey very pissy said something to the effect of "oh and you do not know what my involvement is" It was the way she said it. I wonder if anyone found this odd as well.

I don't think Casey wants to look her parents or brother in the eyes.

She has run out of lies.

The jig is up and she knows they know the (probable) truth now.....so she hides her face...

 

[Hailiejade77]

I think the only way they are going to get Casey to talk is if they say that her mother told them everything. Even if Cindy knows nothing, I am sure Casey thinks she is figuring it out and that's why she won't visit with her family. JMO

 

[SillyNilly]

What inconsistency and what confusion? The first dog hit on spots that except for the car have not been disclosed. Those didn't result in locating a body. So a second dog was brought in with a different handler and it hit on the same spots confirming where the first dog hit. This is in the bond hearing.

Thank you! I knew this was the case, but Cindy says the hits were "inconsistent".

 

[Themis]

You know what?
This question has also been on my mind.
Casey either has a bizarre mental disorder or Caylee really was abducted.
At this point, it's very hard to tell what's real and what could be fiction.

And, IMO, even if Caylee was abducted, it's still Casey's fault. She gave her child to someone that she didn't know, for a FACT, could be trusted. The charges, as they stand today, should definitely stick, regardless of the final outcome.

I have more to say but don't want to repeat things that have already been blabbed ten thousand times by others.

humble newbie,
Selma
:crazy:

Say it, Selma. I'll read it.

 

[McSev]

I think she stayed in large part for the simple reason she didn't have a car, or the parents would no longer let her have it. Really, I think she had no choice at that point but to try to manage things as best she could. Maybe she thought until the bitter end she could dissuade her mother and get her unsuspicious, so she could leave. Think of that little convo recorded by accident in between calls, where she asks for one more day. I don't think it was conscience. Just necessity.

I think she chose the lesser of 2 evils: my mom calls the police on me and I've left, then they're chasing me down. And I do think you're right about getting her mom to not be suspicious of her anymore and I don't believe that Casey really thought her mom would go so far as to involve the police about Caylee. She expected to bully her into believing her as she always has, and Cindy, to her credit, didn't buy it.

What I found disturbing in the 2nd 911 call (or 3rd, however you count them), is that call vs what Cindy told Greta the other night. She stated that she walked into Casey's room where she and Lee were talking after Cindy herself was outside pacing. She walked to Casey's room and Casey was sitting on the bed, and then Casey was on the floor crying and that's when Cindy found out that Casey admitted that the babysitter had "kidnapped" Caylee. Cindy said she heard that and went hysterical, and called 911.

The sequence and timing of those events as she described them from the time she entered Casey's room to the time she called 911 are disturbing to me because of the way Casey sounds when she gets on the phone with the 911 operator. If she was crying on the floor 2 or 3 minutes prior, she certainly doesn't sound like it.

 

[miss lisa]

Has it ever been reported the size and possible position of the stain in the trunk?