Cindy Over the Edge? Where are the A's?

[Florida]

I'm wondering if she isn't on her way to going there now. I think she is holding it together for the funeral, but after that.... who knows?

I don't know why people continue to be upset with A's because Caylee hasn't been buried yet, I do not believe they have any say so about it. Once again, Casey is pulling the strings and what does she care if there is EVER a funeral (other than the fact it makes her look even worse to a jury)

For all Casey's faults I don't think the A's ever imagined she could or would harm Caylee and to find out they were SO WRONG.......

On a side note, I'm oddly proud that the first thread I've ever started here is up to 20 pages!

Didn't realize you started this thread - good for you. I agree with you. I don't think The A's ever imagined she could or would harm Caylee. My heart hurts for them. And, I don't think they will survive this. I hope I am wrong in this feeling. They may just give up. It may get to be too much. Especially if it drags on and on. The rest of the scenario that is possible in my mind I will not put into print. Perhaps it is my own inability to think I could cope with this.

 

[elfie]

This is my first post (and a long one at that) so go easy on me. I've been lurking for awhile and really think this site is a great place to come to for details on the case, theories and evidence.

I'm posting now because I just feel that I have to say something in regards to the hate of the Anthony’s (not KC). As a parent I can't even imagine what this family is going through. I honestly feel that anything they do would be criticized in some way or another.

There are a lot of people who are mad that they were out there looking for their granddaughter even when everyone else thought that she was dead, but I can’t fathom why people would be surprised or upset that they would be in denial and that they believed she was alive. I know I wouldn’t want to believe that she wasn’t, no matter what was shown or told to me. They loved that little girl and wanted so much to believe that their daughter would never do anything to her. Of course they fell for her lies, because she was their last hope. Yes, they enabled Casey, but sometimes love is blind, especially when it comes to your children. This doesn’t mean that they are horrible people. Who in their right mind would want to believe that their child killed their granddaughter? We know that Casey wasn’t the greatest daughter, lying, stealing, etc. but sometimes it easy to forget the bad things when you want so much to believe that your child is good.

For example, think of a long relationship that you had with someone who broke your heart, then years later when you think of the person you remember the bad things they did, but most of the time you remember all the good things. It happens all the time with people who get divorced. They hate each other but as time goes by they wonder if they made a mistake. Why? Because they remember the good times and sometimes the bad doesn’t seem “that bad”. The same can be said about a job. You hate your job, you leave, you start another and start to not like it and before you know it, you’re talking about all the great things at your old job. It’s easy to do and I don’t know one person who hasn’t had this experience.

So, when your own child is accused of killing your grandchild, of course you don’t want to believe it. The public can see things differently because they have no attachment or history with the actual people involved. Casey and Caylee are there flesh and blood, not a name in the paper.

We all care about Caylee, but before this got into the news, we knew nothing about her and they did, they knew and loved her. So no matter how much we get upset or hate what has happened or hate who did it, we will never know what or how the grandparents feel, because this was their life.

I don’t care if they told lies, if they supported Casey, if they were mean to protestors on their property. Their goal was to find Caylee and yes, to even believe that Casey didn’t do it. It obvious to all of us because we can look at it clearly, we are outsiders looking in. When everyday life and love and family history come into it, it’s not always so black and white. Sometimes we can confuse reality and see what we want to see because it’s easier. I don’t see why it’s hard to believe that they held onto the hope that she was alive and that their daughter had nothing to do with it. I think they do know deep down that Casey is involved (you can see it in their jail sessions), but I also think that they would never admit it because they can’t accept that their daughter did this to their granddaughter. I don’t agree with obstructing justice but I think if they did indeed do this it wasn’t because they weren’t honoring Caylee, I think they really wanted to believe that Casey couldn’t do this and felt if they couldn’t save their granddaughter that they would save their daughter because they couldn’t bare with the thought of their whole lives falling apart. So whether or not their reactions were right, we will never (God willing) know what they have and are going through.

I also think that in the depth of their denial that they were willing to put up with the negative publicity in order to keep the media attention focused on the story and help to bring Caylee back alive. The alternative was too much to bear.

Welcome to WS, Who_What_When.

 

[LaLaw2000]

For heavens sake...they had drunken scumbags throwing rocks at their house....screaming taunts and threats at all hours of the day and night,,,derelict parents dragging their own hapless children around....all to be in the spotlight of a TV camera....yes, in hindsight, they should have continuously called the police to deal with the rabble that was making their lives even more miserable. But to tell you the truth, I think they acted like any other beleagured person would have in light of the garbage they had to contend with, in addition to having a missing granddaughter and a daughter who was the primary suspect. Give these poor people a break. You have absolutely no idea what they have been through, not unless your daughter is accused of killing her child.

Just catching up reading and read your post. No, I do not give the Anthony's a break!!!! I did not say that I agreed with the protesters, but the Anthony's could have called LE. They did not have to come out and argue, turn the hose on them, or wave a hammer. To me, their actions just added to the problem.

 

[elfie]

Didn't realize you started this thread - good for you. I agree with you. I don't think The A's ever imagined she could or would harm Caylee. My heart hurts for them. And, I don't think they will survive this. I hope I am wrong in this feeling. They may just give up. It may get to be too much. Especially if it drags on and on. The rest of the scenario that is possible in my mind I will not put into print. Perhaps it is my own inability to think I could cope with this.

I hope that they will find peace, my heart goes out to them so.

 

[radio]

Didn't realize you started this thread - good for you. I agree with you. I don't think The A's ever imagined she could or would harm Caylee. My heart hurts for them. And, I don't think they will survive this. I hope I am wrong in this feeling. They may just give up. It may get to be too much. Especially if it drags on and on. The rest of the scenario that is possible in my mind I will not put into print. Perhaps it is my own inability to think I could cope with this.

Hey Florida,

I worry about Cindy too. I also am not sure she will make it through this last hurdle - I read somewhere here that she had a few hurdles before and her mother worried about her. Lee is moving home. To help Cindy? To help take care of Cindy? I dunno. Just hoping she can somehow find some peace but not totally trusting it will come for her.

 

[radio]

Just catching up reading and read your post. No, I do not give the Anthony's a break!!!! I did not say that I agreed with the protesters, but the Anthony's could have called LE. They did not have to come out and argue, turn the hose on them, or wave a hammer. To me, their actions just added to the problem.

You are right on the not coming outside and argued or tried to reason in anyway. They did call LE numerous times I think. If the Jerry Springer Show had showed up in my front yard ... I have no idea what I would have done. If drunken cows had run at me demanding answers I don't know what I would have done either.

 

[jujube]

Look, I don't agree with all of the actions or words spoken by Cindy-I barely agree with any of them. However:

If Cindy is having a breakdown, God Bless her! She deserves one and I don't mean that in a mean way. For goodness sakes, her daughter is accused of murdering her granddaughter! If she thought that Caylee might really be dead, I don't think it was until the remains were discovered.

You know, I think for her sanity, Cindy had to believe that Caylee was alive. If any of us were in her shoes, wouldn't we want to believe that our child hadn't murdered our grandchild? Even when evidence began to point towards our child, wouldn't we keep hoping against hope that our grandchild was still alive and that our child was the same child that we loved and raised? The alternative would be a gruesome nightmare and unfortunately, one that Cindy and George are having to live.

Even though some things made me mad, I pity them. They've lost their grandchild and the hopes and dreams that they had for both Casey and Caylee. They realize that coming together in love resulted in the creation of a fiend.

 

[ThoughtFox]

LOL! That's a new idea. You mean we should change the titles to stay on topic as to what people are talking about? Love it.

*LOL* Just have a rolling title change, hour by hour, as the topic shifts. :clap:

My Two Cents: The Anthonys can see the evidence piling up and they know they have said wayyyyy too much the past few months, plus they have surely been keeping certain things a secret the police. And I can't imagine that they want to get out of the bed in the morning, so they are probably sitting around in dark rooms doing some soul-searching.

They are in seclusion at last, and let's be thankful.

 

[gitana1]

I do not think they owe anyone of us anything. We choose to read about and watch Caylee and to fall in love with her. We cannot blame this on CA or GA for what Casey did. We feel pain and sadness for Caylee but just try to imagine If your child killed your grandchild. I think it was more then CA mind could handle it was alot easier to accept anyone else took Caylee's life then her own daughter. I believe she had a nervous breakdown , and was grasping at any hope that KC was not guilty. I have never been in her shoes and I pray to GOD I never am. I refuse to judge them this has happened to them and has to be a million times more horrible to them then us. I pray that CA and GA can live with what KC has done to Caylee. They love thier daughter and you could see the love they have for Caylee. They are being blamed also for no funeral yet it is KC who has not allowed Caylee to be put to rest.

Great post!

 

[gitana1]

I'm not sure what you mean by "cleaning" the car. They removed some articles from the car but offered those articles to LE when they realized they might be important. They had no knowledge that Caylee was missing at the time that Cindy washed the pants, and they hadn't yet heard the story about the nanny.

Cindy could have simply not told investigators about the pants or the kitchen knife. They'd have never known. That would have been covering for Casey.

Very true.

 

[VALee]

Look, I don't agree with all of the actions or words spoken by Cindy-I barely agree with any of them. However:

If Cindy is having a breakdown, God Bless her! She deserves one and I don't mean that in a mean way. For goodness sakes, her daughter is accused of murdering her granddaughter! If she thought that Caylee might really be dead, I don't think it was until the remains were discovered.

You know, I think for her sanity, Cindy had to believe that Caylee was alive. If any of us were in her shoes, wouldn't we want to believe that our child hadn't murdered our grandchild? Even when evidence began to point towards our child, wouldn't we keep hoping against hope that our grandchild was still alive and that our child was the same child that we loved and raised? The alternative would be a gruesome nightmare and unfortunately, one that Cindy and George are having to live.

Even though some things made me mad, I pity them. They've lost their grandchild and the hopes and dreams that they had for both Casey and Caylee. They realize that coming together in love resulted in the creation of a fiend.

I agree with you totally. I have grown children Casey's age, no grandchildren, just trying to put myself in the A's shoes, I cannot imagine the horror.

 

[nomoresorrow]

We've heard accounts of a fight that took place on June 15th, the Sunday evening that CA & Caylee returned home from visiting with Papa and eating lunch with CA's Mom, SP. A fight that rose to a level of violence whereby CA put her hands around KC's throat, choking her. Where was Caylee? Neighbor's have claimed that it wasn't unusual to hear the sound of "raised voices" coming from their home. Matter of fact, conflict seemed to be a regular occurrance. Where was Caylee during all of these times? We've heard of GA throwing his father thru a plate-glass window, perhaps GA had every reason to be angry at his father, regardless, the use of violence is wrong. There are some who feel that the anger we have seen displayed by the A's is the result of the media's coverage and/or the public's response in this situation, especially considering the protester's outside of their home at all hours of the day and night.

I have never agreed with or supported people descending upon the A's home but I've also looked very closely, starting at the beginning as to what came first, the chicken or the egg, and in this case the "chicken" refers to the A's anger and the "egg" refers to the public's anger and I can clearly see that the "chicken" came first. It began with CA's "reinterpretation" of her 911 statement - "it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn trunk" changed to "have you ever smelled rotting pizza?" - when the public didn't readily except that, CA became angry and that has been the on-going cycle with the A's throughout. When they put something out there they expect it to be accepted and believed, even if it's the most improbable, absurd and factually incorrect claim. Any questions evokes anger. I personally don't believe that this is a "new" reaction or response from the A's, it's the very dynamic that operates within their family. When someone in the family lies, don't question it, even when it sounds completely over the top and entirely implausable. They mistakenly thought that the whole world would simply fall into-step with them.

If CA or GA make a choice to end their life I wouldn't be shocked but I hope that they'll choose to be couragous like so many other's have when faced with the impossible. "You may say I'm a dreamer" but I believe in my heart and in my soul that more people really want to embrace GA & CA, to offer their support, strength and encouragement they need to get through this, but they can't or won't embrace their lies. Yes, I happen to feel that KC is guilty of killing Caylee but I also know if CA & GA were to come to a place where they could acknowledge that Caylee's life came to a tragic end and that, although they may be frightened to know the truth of how it came to be, they will let the legal system take it's course and will accept the outcome - I certainly wouldn't rub their faces in it and I don't think most people would. Sadly what CA & GA fail to see because of their dedication to maintaining this false illusion of their family, is that, when and if they choose to walk out of the "lie" and into the truth, they won't be lonely. They aren't alone when it comes to making mistakes as parent's, they aren't alone when it comes to losing someone that you love more then life itself but wishing you could of or should of - if only you could have seen, or would have known or been given just one more chance. They aren't alone when it comes to "chains that bind us", such as family histories of violence, alcoholism and drug addiction and yes, even the unspeakable, incest and sexual abuse, if that is the case.

The very best that they can give to Caylee now is the truth. It can't save her now but it can save them and I believe that they have the potential to save alot more "Caylee's" down the road. If CA or GA "don't survive" this, as I said before, that is their choice and not the fault of the media coverage and/or the public response to this case. I pray that G & C will choose to stay and to become hero's for Caylee's now--------

 

[Gypsy Road]

Hey Florida,

I worry about Cindy too. I also am not sure she will make it through this last hurdle - I read somewhere here that she had a few hurdles before and her mother worried about her. Lee is moving home. To help Cindy? To help take care of Cindy? I dunno. Just hoping she can somehow find some peace but not totally trusting it will come for her.

I read that too, Radio, that Cindy was having trouble before all this went down. It's in one of the document dumps in the emails between Cindy's mother and Cindy's aunt (her mother's sister). They emailed each other almost daily. There are several references to Cindy's depressed mood and how she said if it wasn't for Caylee she'd end it all. She was having issues with George not keeping up his end of the bargain with paying his share of the bills, and the issues with Casey stealing. Plus, Cindy was paying for Caylee's expenses as well. Clothing her, feeding her, paying for her medical care. Seems everyone was mooching off Cindy while Cindy was working her butt off trying to keep everyone and the bills afloat. As much as Cindy has frustrated me at times, I really, really, REALLY hope someone can step in and help her through this. I don't know what anyone could do at this point...she has lost so much. The hole in her heart must be a mile wide. She's got a long road ahead of her and I hope she makes it through. Her life will never be the same.

 

[tehcloser]

Where would the edge be located for those with no apparent boundries? They are quiet because they are a skeered of being charged with something.

 

[suepitzl]

I respectfully disagree with parts of this. I think they DO owe us, and many others, for the nasty comments, the accusations, for calling bloggers scumbags, for violent reactions to protestors, for trying to spin our heads 360 degrees, for hampering the search efforts of Caylees remains. They owe apologies.
However, I can imagine the horror of their reality right now. My own compassion for them is at a high level right now. We do not know what they are feeling either way- only what we would think and feel if we were in their position. I do believe they loved Caylee . I have 8 grandkids that are treasures in my life, and if anyone ever hurt them there would be no safe place on this earth for them to hide. For now I will believe that George and Cindy feel at least some of this same emotion.It is true that they could go see Casey at jail if both parties were willing, regardless of it being taped. You can show love and concern without being penalized for it- so I believe it has been a matter of one person refusing to face the other. Just my own thoughts.

just a quick reply, the A's owe no one anything, imagine thier pain, they are victims of KC's deception, they are human beings who are living the terror of KC's actions. "What you think of me is none of my business, what I think of you is GOD's business"

 

[doglover]

(Newbie here)

Who,What,When:

What a compassionate post. Thank you. ITA with you and others about the Anthonys. Things are not always black and white, especially when you are in the eye of the hurricane. The lines tend to get blurred and there are a lot of grey areas.

I don't know how these poor people have made it this far. Although I agree that they have done quite a few things that I disagree with, I just can't find it in my heart to wish them into fire and brimstone forever. I have thought for some time that CA has had or is headed for a breakdown of some kind.

At first, I too was angry with the Anthonys and wanted to scream at them to take a look at KC, for she was the source of their lives turned upside down and unfortunately, the death of their precious Caylee, IMO. But after thinking long and hard and wondering how I would react in their situation, I came to the realization that I don't know WTH I would do if my own precious daughter had done something like this. I would like to think that I would do the right thing, but what exactly is the right thing in a bizarre case such as this? When it is your own flesh and blood who is accused of doing the unthinkable and worse, against your own granddaughter? I cannot imagine the heartache of that scenario and don't ever want to. It's too horrible.

Yes, it is so much easier to see things as they truly are and be objective when you are on the outside looking in, but not when you are involved in a tragedy such as this.

IMO, I think the Anthonys were in major denial for a long time until recently, when they were forced to realize that Caylee was gone and that it was at the hands of none other than their own daughter. What an awful thing to live with. You don't just stop loving someone because they've done something horrible. One can only imagine the confusion, anger, and utter despair they have endured. Of course, it is simple for most of us to see what a monster KC is and to wish for her the worst, but she is not our daughter or sister. We don't have a history with her. We didn't love her.

All I'm saying is that I'm willing to cut those poor people a lot of slack because they are grieving and have not only lost a granddaughter, but a daughter as well. I don't know how one lives with that.

 

[PaulaF513]

For heaven's sake, they DID continuously call the police/911 to deal with the rabble. Specifically CASEY. Casey is the one who placed calls demanding that the police need to do something about these, in your words, "drunken scumbags." What amazes me about the whole protesting in front of the Anthony home is that with every perceived violation from the protesters, the Anthonys, namely Casey, felt it necessary to call 911, yet when her daughter was "abducted" she felt it necessary to NOT call 911, go out and rent videos, text her friends to meet up with her at Fusion Ultra Lounge, go onto facebook/myspace inviting all her contacts to do the same, text message all her contacts to do the same, steal her BFF's checks and clean out the account, bump and grind with other female patrons at Fusion's hot body contest, be photographed in her most deperate hours of terror and fear over her abducted baby, smiling with her gal pals and her hip-hop promotion friends, etc., etc. Give me a break!

The poor anthony family and all that they've been put through by the "drunken scumbags"???? Are you serious????? Those drunken scumbags were the least of their troubles. Whatever.

In answer...to quote Casey at her prison-phone-call-finest...Oh, well.

I do recall one call to police from Casey. It was released by LE to the news media.

That was when the DSs were trying to drag GA into the street and CA got in between them and pulled GA away from them. BTW, those were the very same DSs who had thrown rocks and coins at the Anthony's house and brought a hapless child along to witness the mayhem. I do believe that very same hapless child was a victim that same night, having his little arm caught in a car door and was seen lying on the roadway writhing in pain. Greeeaaat parenting there!

 

[SailorMoon]

O/T I was discouraged to hear last night that it may be two years before this case goes to trial. Cindy may be in the loony bin by then = just to try to keep in on topic!

Are you kidding me? Because I was going to take my vacation at trial time to make sure I could watch it uninterrupted!! Now that's bad. But back on topic, does anyone have a link to the statement that LP won't be able to attend as made by Cindy?? Like I said last night....she's still swinging..hammertime. That's pathetic.

 

[HeSaidSheSaid]

I do recall one call to police from Casey. It was released by LE to the news media.

That was when the DSs were trying to drag GA into the street and CA got in between them and pulled GA away from them. BTW, those were the very same DSs who had thrown rocks and coins at the Anthony's house and brought a hapless child along to witness the mayhem. I do believe that very same hapless child was a victim that same night, having his little arm caught in a car door and was seen lying on the roadway writhing in pain. Greeeaaat parenting there!

I don't agree with the protesters. I don't even know "what" they were protesting. I never did understand how gathering in front of someone's house, screaming and taunting the residents, or throwing objects at the house accomplishes anything other than pissing off the residents of the home and the neighbors, but I also don't agree with As going outside and confronting people, whether with a hammer, or hose, fists or anything else.

I'm sure the GA & CA were pissed and wanted the chaos to stop, but I think they should have remained indoors and called the police, not gone outside to stir **** while inside their daughter is calling LE to come clean up their mess. Not only did they request LE come back to the house after just leaving, but demanding that LE needs to hurry.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Are you kidding me? Because I was going to take my vacation at trial time to make sure I could watch it uninterrupted!! Now that's bad. But back on topic, does anyone have a link to the statement that LP won't be able to attend as made by Cindy?? Like I said last night....she's still swinging..hammertime. That's pathetic.

Here ya go:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/p...ale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

Anthony’s actively planning memorial for Caylee

While not much has been seen on George and Cindy Anthony in public since Caylee's remains were found and identified, Conway said Caylee's grandma, Cindy has been pretty busy behind the scenes this week.

"She's finally been able to start working on some plans in regards to the public service,” Conway said. “Music, flowers, possible venues for it.”

While nothing is certain yet, Conway said the Anthony's have made one thing clear; Leonard Padilla, the bounty hunter who was in and out of the case on several occasions, will not be invited or let in.