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The former treasurer sniffed a woman's chair in the middle of parliament, 'bra-snapped' another female colleague and was only removed from office after crashing into 3 parked cars whilst drunk.How was he mayor?!
RSBM
I think they used entomology and experience of how criminals usually operate (I guess it's profiling) to determine this. And maybe stomach contents. Can anyone think of any other way?
I have a theory on this;
I think a guy she liked was at Conti and she waited outside hoping that when this guy leaves he'd approach her. He didn't so she left. I think she either got into a cab or car out the front or walked around the corner onto a deserted Gugeri St and got in a car there.
She could have met someone earlier in the night and had a pre-arranged meeting but why did she agree to go to Club (locals refer to CBV as Club, Clubba or Club Bay Spew)? I guess it's possible she planned to wait in line (there was always a line at that time of night) and once they got close to getting in, make her excuses and bail for her rendezvous. The problem I have with this is even if she didn't tell her friends they would have seen him talking to her. He would have come up on Macro's radar. I'm also quite confident our guy doesn't meet his victims in bars on the night of the murders.
She may have been seeing someone and had a pre-arranged meeting. I believe if this was true, a) Macro would have found out through phone records, and b) her friend in the CIA doco wouldn't have been so sure JR "just wanted to meet someone".
Could have she gone to another club? Subiaco maybe, which is closer to home. But she would have got a lift home and then got a taxi from Shenton Park.
I wonder what her friends thought she was doing? Conti closing, didn't like Club, could have stayed in the line at Club, decided to stay out. Surely her friends were asking themselves what JR's options were?
Why has SR been dismissed by posters as a top suspect?
I am reading at BF and liking him for the murders right now. Not so much as a team with PW, but PW is a weird one. How was he mayor?!
SR has never been the top suspect. SR is a very unintelligent man, who I doubt would even have the mental capacity to commit the crimes. If he did commit them, the method he would have had to use would have been what exactly? Please don't say a bogus Taxi.
The former treasurer sniffed a woman's chair in the middle of parliament, 'bra-snapped' another female colleague and was only removed from office after crashing into 3 parked cars whilst drunk.
Western Australian politics is a breeding ground for weirdos, not just the serial killer kind.
I have him at number 5.Why has SR been dismissed by posters as a top suspect?
I am reading at BF and liking him for the murders right now. Not so much as a team with PW, but PW is a weird one. How was he mayor?!
At one point in time a poster said he or she had seen a version of the CCTV recording that contained additional footage than the footage shown on CIA. Does anyone know if this available anywhere or if the details are posted on any forum?...
We don't know if this footage exists because only one poster said he saw it...
...However he didnt look like he was coming out of the pub- he looks like he was walking past- pretty risky to wait outside one pub in the hope that this man will walk past on his way home from somewhere else. It would seem more likely that she was waiting to see someone who was inside.
...When you consider that DNA has been taken from 2,500 Taxi drivers, 900 Taxis were forensically examined and all Taxi drivers backgrounds were checked and any drivers with questionable backgrounds were elevated as POI's, then investigated, interviewed more thoroughly. This all turned up nothing. I would say with the amount of work that was done on the Taxi industry and that the idea that JR caught a legitimate Taxi and the driver was the CSK, has been investigated thoroughly enough to exclude it in this case. An illegitimate Taxi is another line of inquiry altogether, the possibilities and amount of investigate work to be able to prove this did or did not happen is incomprehensible...
What condition would you say the Corona was in? Was the interior clean? Was the exterior clean? Do you remember? I'm guessing you rode in the front passenger seat?I would like to know when LW bought his car. He lost his license from 1988 until 2 days after SS disappeared. I'd assume he bought his white Hyundai before SS abduction in anticipation of getting his licence back.
When I came across LW in the late 80s he did a lot of driving in that yellow Corona for a guy without a license. I wonder if there is anyway of confirming that was his parent's car? And if so, did they know he was driving it? He had a semi-alibi on one of the nights with his parents vouching that he was home with them and that they would have known if Lance sneaked out. But if Lance was sneaking out years earlier and using their car without them knowing then his alibi is worthless.
The guy who pokes his head out it not MM. Hair colour is darker and not as straight as MM.RSBM. Is this the footage in question? Or is there a 3rd piece of allegedly released footage?
I found this link on BF. The poster (January 15, 2015) points out that MM pokes his head out of the pub at 0:38 seconds. The poster then expresses her opinion that JR is watching the people exiting. At 1:06 the poster says JR turns as if to follow MM, who has just exited.
[video=youtube;hbbg-FVij4c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbbg-FVij4c[/video]
This wasn't discussed in depth on BF because the thread was unraveling. No idea who the OP was, might be a loon, just not trying to take credit for her observations.
What condition would you say the Corona was in? Was the interior clean? Was the exterior clean? Do you remember? I'm guessing you rode in the front passenger seat?
You have to reason the possibilities of how the CSK captured his victims and it comes down to a number of options, but you then have to prioritize those options to which is most likely and unlikely but a possibility.
1. JR was offered a lift by the CSK who was driving past and she accepted the lift.
2. JR caught a Taxi and the driver was the CSK
3. JR walked away and down the street, was blitz attacked and bundled into a car/van
4. JR walked away and was offered a lift somewhere else and that person was the CSK.
At the time they took the samples, Macro had a live serial killer on their hands. The assumption was he'd strike again and they'd get some DNA. But he likely didn't strike again. Probably because police have his DNA and committing another murder means almost certain detection.RSBM
I agree the taxi's seem to have been looked at very closely. Lots of DNA samples taken- but if the police dont have anything to compare it to, the DNA isn't all that helpful- unless something else turns up, a new piece of evidence.
There's two different scenarios going on here:1. CSK drives past, offers JR a lift. Yep, can see that for sure, except that what are the odds that he would have offered three girls a ride, and they all accepted, yet no one else came forward about being offered a ride. I know at night after drinking memories can become muddled, but police were able to talk to every single person at the Conti that night, except for MM. Even the dude twirling in circles on the footpath (although maybe he was just happy, rather than intoxicated) was interviewed. I just cant credit the odds that the only other people the CSK offered rides to were so drunk they were blacking out. Unless of course, they knew him. Familiar face offers each of them a ride, and saves them a taxi fare- absolutely. I am sure the police were thorough in their investigations into connections between the victims, but Perth is not that big. There would be some connections. The bus driver, the guy that makes coffee at that shop in that mall, the aerobics instructor that may have worked in different gyms, so met each of them in different places. The guy that puts books back on the shelf in the library. I was thinking about people I know incidently in my life, and wondered how many of them my family know about. Once I started thinking about it, I was suprised.
And hence why the killings stopped - he gave DNA and knew he had to stop otherwise he'd get caught.2. JR caught a Taxi and the driver was the CSK
This one has been a big theory for a long time. A taxi driver, the son of a taxi driver who made use of the taxi when not in use, a mechanic with access to taxis being repaired, a bogus taxi (although wouldn't neighbours etc have seen such a car?). Cant be discounted. It was late for each of the victims- were they tired? Maybe the victims were picked simply by being the single women who fell asleep on the drive home. Bundled out of the cab quickly, so that whatever happened to them happened outside the taxi. If there is no DNA to compare to, and no evidence in the taxi- the CSK could easily be one of the taxi drivers investigated.
There used to be doctors office (physio I think) on Stirling Hwy next to the Church. It fronted onto Freshwater Pde (Cnr Hwy) but the carpark was out the back. And that carpark was about 10m from the footpath that CG walked along and only separated by bushes and a walking ramp. Dark, secluded and accessible. I don't buy into the blitz attack but it's possible. There was a carpark out the back of the shops that SS called the cab from. JR could have walked onto Gugeri St (although it leads to carparks that would have been in use with Conti patrons)3. JR walked away and down the street, was blitz attacked and bundled into a car/van
Blitz attacks seem dangerous in a busy place- the risk of the victim screaming. Although still possible.
4. JR walked away and was offered a lift somewhere else and that person was the CSK.
Which fits with both scenario 1 and 2, just in a different location. SS was on the footpath waiting for a taxi, CG was walking on the footpath.
Did anyone else think JR appeared much slimmer in the CIA video than in any of her other pics? Not that it matters, I just am struck by it every time I watch the clip.
Pretty sure Judo Man is interviewed on the CSI Australia story as a friend of one of the girls....cant remember which one now. But it was discussed as being quite odd because he did not know her that well in real life but spoke of her as a friend.
Initials are SD. Openly found on FB.
Ill let you piece together the rest.
JudoMan has always been my number 1 on list of POI.