Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #2

[Parkie]

I don`t recon JM was there. He has virtually no hair now & would have been losing some in 1997. MM does look like the guy looking out left & right by the doors at 38 seconds though.

 

[Fortune Cookie]

Parkie, I'm looking for some of the images on his FB page from back then, he had loads of hair!

 

[north_west]

http://www.news.com.au/national/cri...re-than-40-years/story-fns0kb1g-1227496768235

"The strongest lead related to sightings in Western Australia in 1994 which police believe were genuine.

A woman who knew Crawford well saw a man in a Bunbury hotel and was so convinced it was him she approached him and asked who he was."

I know you guys have your lists of suspects and I mostly agree, but every now and then I think it could have been some random guy who was in town for a few years. I was not familiar with this Crawford case (mentioned in the article above). It's a (very) long shot, but this guy checks a few boxes.

 

[Sutton]

http://www.news.com.au/national/cri...re-than-40-years/story-fns0kb1g-1227496768235

"The strongest lead related to sightings in Western Australia in 1994 which police believe were genuine.

A woman who knew Crawford well saw a man in a Bunbury hotel and was so convinced it was him she approached him and asked who he was."

I was not familiar with this case. A long shot, but this guy checks a few boxes.

Interesting case, what a sick person. I don't think he could be the CSK, but who knows how these types operate? Here is his WS thread:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ren-murdered-by-husband-father-Melbourne-1970

Elmer Crawford's case is very similar to a U.S. case, Bradford Bishop in 1976. He hammered his family to death, loaded them in the car and set the car on fire in a national park. Bishop was a US Foreign Service officer. He's been on the run since then, but has been spotted in Italy, Sweden and Switzerland by people who knew him before the murders. I wonder what Crawford's job was?

 

[Sutton]

Parkie, I'm looking for some of the images on his FB page from back then, he had loads of hair!

Loads in 1991. Male pattern baldness is definitely visible by 1995. IMO.

Previous topic: this is one of the stalks from the pic, he is holding three across his face like a hand fan, so hard to crop-

 

[crabstick]

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Police made a statement about matters in regards to the printers they were investigating.

http://www.news.com.au/national/fre...rial-killer-case/story-e6frfkp9-1226056298037

This is where I attained my information and none of them are me.

Ciara was dumped at compass point 347 degrees. See the connection? They were exactly 180 degrees to each other. Allowing for earth curvature the distance between them was 80 kilometres. So who ever killed them was not a tourist

http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com...an/comments/uk_link_in_wa_serial_murders/P25/

Degrees of latitude and longitude, surname speculation and Pantone colors are not allowed in this thread until they've been linked to the case via MSM.

They do seem to be allowed in the other thread.

Note, the user in this quote is 'banned' before the thread was closed.

Sarah Spiers

Abducted: Friday the 26th of January, 1996
Attended: OBH then CBV
Last seen: Call at 2:06am was logged to Taxi company from phone box on the north western corner of Stirling Hwy and Stirling Rd

After the phone call it is believed Sarah crossed the road and waited at the intersection of Stirling Road and Stirling Highway for the taxi to arrive (North East corner).

Jane Rimmer

Abducted: Saturday the 8th of June, 1996
Attended: OBH then Claremont Hotel (upstairs)
Last seen: 12.04pm outside Claremont Hotel on Bayview Tce, approximately 15m from corner of Gugeri St. Other unconfirmed sitings.

Jane and her friends didn't enter the nightclub, instead they decided to catch a cab to a friend's place where they would continue to party. As they got to the taxi rank near the Continental Hotel, Jane informed her friends that she didn't want to go home and without any more explanation, she walked off back to the Continental.

Ciara Glennon

Abducted: Friday 14 March, 1997
Attended: Claremont Hotel
Last seen: Approximately midnight outside Christ Church (the church, not the school) on south eastern corner of Stirling Hwy and Queanslea Drive (Stirling Rd basically). There are other unconfirmed sitings

Ciara and group of her friends left this private function at around 11:00pm and attended the Continental Hotel in Claremont, the same place Jane Rimmer attended the night she was murdered.

The group arrived at around 11:30 pm and after about 20 - 25 minutes, Ciara told her friends she had had enough and was leaving. There is a confirmed sighting of Ciara walking down Bay View Terrace towards Stirling Highway.

That thread was closed due to personal attacks and defamation of POIs and victims.
I never joined that forum because of the culture. I was here on my own minding my own business until that thread was closed.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/claremont-serial-killings.985161/page-6


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[crabstick]

According Phantom62, Im wrong side the road. Ouch. Coordinates don't appear to be accurate for Ciara

phantom62
Thu 14 Dec 06 (12:05am)
John of UK I can give you exact information.

Ciara Glennon was found at South 31 degrees 34 minutes 956 seconds by East 115 degrees 40 minutes 40 seconds.
Jane Rimmer was found at South 32 degrees 16 minutes 353 seconds by East 115 degrees 51 minutes 553 seconds.

You are correct that Woolcoot Rd was gravel when Jane was dumped. Ciara was found 60 metres off Pipidinny Road and 800 metres from where the road bends near Lacey Rd.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/claremont-serial-killings.985161/page-6

From Phantom62 coords of Jane, North to Grapeskin bar. Phantoms coord is the yellow line.
Jane is 11900 metres from the coast due East. Santens car was at the beach like Cutlers.
Cutlers car ended up in front the Cottesloe surf club.



Spiers: Abducted: Friday the 26th of January, 1996 - St Brigid's feast day, 1st of February
Rimmer: Saturday the 8th of June, 1996 - St Columba feast day, June 9th
Glennon: Friday 14 March, 1997 - St Patrick feast day, 14 March
Pantone color for St Patricks day green - 347 (Note officer investigated screen printers)
Many other paegan days occur around same dates.

Two Patrick Theory
Saint Ciaran Saighir, first bishop of Ossory, died in 402. Thirty years before Palladius and Patrick headed for Ireland.

Cutler was day before Winter solstice. They would pretty be tight going to make human sacrifice all in the one hit.
If its the case, there is a group.

V= This is a patronymic i.e. "son of Speir", itself an official title for a watchman deriving from the Medieval English "espein" or the Olde French "espier" meaning "to watch or observe
OIn March 14th 1761 the marriage of William Spiers and Isabell Thomson took place at Falkirk, Stirling

Read more: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Spiers#ixzz3jnOJNAjR

 

[Bartholemeus]

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Police made a statement about matters in regards to the printers they were investigating.

http://www.news.com.au/national/fre...rial-killer-case/story-e6frfkp9-1226056298037

This is where I attained my information and none of them are me.


http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com...an/comments/uk_link_in_wa_serial_murders/P25/



Note, the user in this quote is 'banned' before the thread was closed.







That thread was closed due to personal attacks and defamation of POIs and victims.
I never joined that forum because of the culture. I was here on my own minding my own business until that thread was closed.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/claremont-serial-killings.985161/page-6


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Thread was fine until you started posting. Clearly you think we're all waffling and that is fine. You should go back to the other thread and any one who wants to pursue your lines of theory can so there. This thread should be left for the lines of theory that everyone here is happily discussing.

That would be a win/win.

 

[Bartholemeus]

<modsnip>

Police made a statement about matters in regards to the printers they were investigating.

http://www.news.com.au/national/fre...rial-killer-case/story-e6frfkp9-1226056298037

This is where I attained my information and none of them are me.


http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com...an/comments/uk_link_in_wa_serial_murders/P25/



Note, the user in this quote is 'banned' before the thread was closed.







That thread was closed due to personal attacks and defamation of POIs and victims.
I never joined that forum because of the culture. I was here on my own minding my own business until that thread was closed.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/claremont-serial-killings.985161/page-6


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So let me get this right;

You're claiming Sutton's information is not factual and your is? You got yours from a guy called "Phantom" who posts on an anonymous forum. How is that fact?

 

[Bartholemeus]

According Phantom62, Im wrong side the road. Ouch

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/claremont-serial-killings.985161/page-6

From Phantom62 coords of Jane, North to Grapeskin bar. Phantoms coord is the yellow line.
Jane is 11900 metres from the coast due East.

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So you're saying where JR was dumped has some sort of significance to where Robyn Santer was last seen? You think that 19 years later the CSK ducted off his autocad, worked out some coordinates and said, "yep, I must abduct a patron of the Grapeskin Wine Bar"?

You also suggest the CSK used a combination of first and last name meanings to select his victims, stalk them for months, and then abduct them.


You're welcome to make these theories, but it should be obvious to you that no one else here gives them a grain of credibility. If they did, they'd be replying to your posts on the other thread.

Please let this thread be and post your theories on the other thread.

 

[billywhizz]

Sarah was abducted from 347 Stirling hwy (ref:Billy WHizz); 347km @ 77 degrees from Southern Cross. The two bodies laid at 347 degrees, 90 degrees from the SS intersection, passing through Bay view tce.

Why am I the reference for this?

The last known sighting of her is on Stirling Road, not 347 Stirling Hwy.

Even taking that into account, lot 345 Stirling Hwy is closer to her last known location location than lot 347.

 

[Jezz]

Not that I generally delve into the coordinate/colour/name craziness,

But

If you want to go a bit conspiracy theory, JC was west, SS unknown (but a few people have suggested reasons for thinking East), JR South, CG North.

Now we start again with RS... West??

 

[billywhizz]

If you want to go a bit conspiracy theory you could perhaps find the correct location of SS and JC first?

They are still missing.

 

[Bartholemeus]

I'm fine for conspiracy theories - just put them all on another thread. This thread should be kept clean.

 

[Jezz]

If you want to go a bit conspiracy theory you could perhaps find the correct location of SS and JC first?

They are still missing.

True. I generally ignore the conspiracies myself. A moment of stupidity.

Yes let's keep it clean.

Still I would be very interested in the most recent disappearance. Not saying it's CSK but it is good to look at any links if they present.

 

[Bartholemeus]

Has their been anything else reported?

You can tell the media think it's the husband. He'd have to be the prime suspect.

 

[crabstick]

Robyn (Paton) Santen
http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/p...-beach-for-missing-woman-20150810-givef9.html

Paton Family History. Scottish: from a pet form of the personal name Pat (short form of Patrick), formed with the Old French diminutive suffix -on
http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=paton

 

[crabstick]

A conspiracy theory is an explanatory hypothesis that accuses two or more persons, a group, or an organization of having caused or covered up, through secret planning and deliberate action, an event or situation which is typically taken to be illegal or harmful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

Probably pay to define conspiracy theory first. What I have put in the thread is fact. I have never said cover up. Its a serial killing.

 

[crabstick]

We have revolving police teams with international help. The most expensive case in Australia. They are busy looking.

If you want to go a bit conspiracy theory you could perhaps find the correct location of SS and JC first?

They are still missing.

 

[crabstick]

Last sighting was Stirling and Stirling, AKA 347 Stirling hwy. Now known as Claremont Quarter. Do keep up. TIC Whizzy

Ill find out who said it Billy. I thought it was you, man of the intel. You speak to police?

Sarah left the club and what we know to happen next is that at 2:06 am Sarah telephoned Swan Taxis from a phone box on Stirling Road near the intersection of Stirling Highway. Sarah requested a taxi collect her from that location and take her to Mosman Park.

http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com/Spiers.htm

Why am I the reference for this?

The last known sighting of her is on Stirling Road, not 347 Stirling Hwy.

Even taking that into account, lot 345 Stirling Hwy is closer to her last known location location than lot 347.

18-year-old Sarah Spiers went missing after ... a phone box near the corner of Stirling Highway and Stirling Road.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...a-glennons-death/story-fnhocxo3-1227173673919

It is know that Sarah called a taxi from the telephone booth at the corner of Stirling Road and Stirling Highway, Claremont.

http://www.missingpersons.gov.au/missing-persons/profiles/profiles/s/p/spiers sarah - wa

Cutler went missing 14 Mill St, Parmelia Hilton. Parmelia is cnr Mounts bay rd which is a continuation of Stirling hwy.