Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #3

[silver tongue]

parkie they would not discard say a gold watch or a rolex when your from the top end of town you dont wear a bodgy watch

 

[silver tongue]

Janine Vaughan, 31, managed a men's wear store. On the evening of Dec. 6, 2001, she was drinking and dancing with friends at the Metro Tavern nightclub in Bathurst, NSW.

In the early morning hours of Dec. 7, 2001, Janine left the Metro Tavern and headed, on foot, for the Oxford Tavern. It was raining steadily. Janine was walking approximately 40 meters ahead of two friends.

A red sedan pulled over to Janine and she climbed inside. This was reported by the two friends and substantiated by CCTV. Janine appeared to climb into the vehicle willingly. Janine has not been heard from since this time.

There were three suspects, but an inquest in 2009 could not find any of them culpable.

The person driving the vehicle is suspected of stalking another woman the same night Janine was taken and of other assaults in the preceding weeks.

Don't want to go into too much detail on Janine here, as she does have her own WS thread. I will link articles about the other assaults/stalking and Janine's WS thread below.

Daily Telegraph: http://tinyurl.com/z9llvbm

Western Advocate: http://tinyurl.com/hx89xmd

Sun Herald: http://tinyurl.com/he84vvs

Websleuths: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...anine-Vaughan-31-Bathurst-NSW-7-December-2001

reg janine mary vaughan
two days before she vanished she told her mother about meeting a man who was drop dead gorgeous [that rules me out] a well known detective was a strong suspect even gave wrong details of his were abouts on the night janine vanished. he stated he wasnt in bathurst on the night in question when atm records showed he was ,, i wonder if this bloke was in perth in the 90s

 

[Mel 1303]

I've thought a lot about Jessica Small being connected. Based on what I know, her abduction was too dissimilar to say one way or the other. The same goes for Kellie Anne Carmichael. But Jessica and Kellie did look similar to the CSK victims, and there is the white Holden involvement (as described by silver tongue), so the connection is a good suggestion, IMO.

It is my belief there have been many serial killers who were able to stop killing. But criminologists and profilers have repeatedly stated the CSK would not be able to stop on his own.

I started looking up suspicious Australian deaths and disappearances in the years following the CSK victims. I also looked at past cases, starting in the late 1970s.

The Australian Missing Persons Register was extremely helpful. That is the website where the missing are categorized by state and male/female/child and each category is shown as a different colored puzzle piece. But as of two days ago, I receive a '403 Forbidden' message when I try to view the website. Does anyone know why?

Can anyone else access the site?
http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com/ Please post your reply in the thread or PM me, and also include if you are inside or outside Australia.

Silver tongue mentioned two Bathurst abductions that could have been pre-Claremont cases. There is another Bathurst abduction that I found remarkably similar to the CSK--Janine Vaughan's. (See next post please.)

Hi Sutton, I am in Australia, and can access the AMPR website without any problems.

Have you tried again, just incase it was a bit of a glitch?

 

[crabstick]

Maybe they just come to your front door and ask, like they have been doing for some time now for a truck load of people that were there.. I'm sure they have plenty of family to gain familial DNA.
If someone says no, they can go elsewhere and or if the person is of interest, they become more a person of interest.

Remember, Perth wasn't that big then. They can triangulate back to people with familial. So many avenues.

If they really want to, they can get a warrant from a judge. Of course, there is other ways. Maybe they have used ways, inadmissible in court already to get DNA which has discounted people from the case.

Think about this though. Current discussion is LW who has been discounted from the case. LW in a van. Where would LW get a van in the case of the Karrakatta incident, and why would he use one?

If the Karrakatta incident is as bad as they have reported then they must have some fantastic DNA, seeing as the victim ran straight to nearby Hollywood hospital? Straight in, rape kit.

I believe not all taxi drivers were tested in WA at the time. Do all coppers have DNA on record, just to square that all away?

How old did the media say they think MM is? He never faces the camera. He does a very careful dance. And then he vanishes. He doesn't turn himself into police for questioning. Jane seems surprised at his appearance.

It would be interesting to see if Jane Rimmers friends have seen this behaviour in her before.

Personally, I think Jane was drugged in the club with a spiked drink full of GBL unbeknown to her. GBL has been found at the site. This lead to her behaviour of taking a risk she wouldn't normally do. GBL synthesises as GHB in the body, giving an appearance the person is drunk and tired. AKA The Coma drug.

All girls went off on their own. I say drugged with GBL, think they are drunk, but they are actually feeling the effects of GBL cutting in.

They peeled off from their friends and went off on their own. Totally out of character according to their friends.

Do not give me some spiel again about the ink investigation is a beat up by the media. I wont have it. Someone on here is lying!!! Too many lies. Its worth the cops doing an investigation on them for indirect ties in the crime.

GBL is used to clean printer heads amongst many other things.

Familial DNA testing:
Someone said it would be difficult to obtain a sample from a family member- not really.

Example
You've just been to the cinema and have left your empty drink cup (with straw) in the cup holder instead of the bin. You go off non the wiser. A forensic officer can get a DNA sample from the straw. You left your DNA in a public space. This is a massive gray area in /privacy/rights in Obtaining DNA-depending on local laws etc.

Example 2
You spit on the sidewalk (baseball player style). Obtainable DNA. You could still be standing there, and a forensic officer can walk up and swab it

 

[crabstick]

So you are saying, electrical tape was not used in the Karrakatta rape, it was rope, the same used in CSK murders?

If it was electrical tape, that would insinuate electrician, auto or construction, or a mobile mechanic in a white van.

There could well have been two perpetrators involved in Karrakatta; with one perp acting as the driver and the 2nd as the abductor and rapist. The press reports say the girl was grabbed and blindfolded and (initial press reports) say that she was bound with electrical flex (now believed to be some sort of clothesline rope / cord / wire) and I doubt given the vehicle used was a panel van he would have bundled her into the front seat instead he would have bundled her into the rear of the panel van. Therefore the girl would not have known if there was a 2nd perpetrator involved.

Given that Marshall also detailed information about LW's preference for hand sex (at all times) I doubt whether he could have performed the actual rape therefore it is open that a 2nd perpetrator was involved.

 

[Bartholemeus]

GBL has been found at the site.

Do you have a source for this?

 

[elastic]

reg janine mary vaughan
two days before she vanished she told her mother about meeting a man who was drop dead gorgeous [that rules me out] a well known detective was a strong suspect even gave wrong details of his were abouts on the night janine vanished. he stated he wasnt in bathurst on the night in question when atm records showed he was ,, i wonder if this bloke was in perth in the 90s

What is his name and is there any public records showing if this guy was working with the WA Police, or is he a Federal Policeman? Is it possible to find this out publically, and whether his location was Perth during the Claremont killings?. Would explain the reason why WAPOL were so incompetant with the investigation, and so secretive. Seems like alot of heads have rolled in NSW over that case too, or atleast some of the officers involved in investigating it

 

[elastic]

Things I would love to know about Lance's best friend:

How did he die?

When did he die (date)?

Where did he work?

What did he drive?

What prior criminal records he has?

Where is his Gravestone located (Karrakatta?)?

Where did the Karrakatta rape occur?

Where has the best friends family members been burried (or gravestones located)?

Would be intersting to know..

 

[Sutton]

Were any of the suspects in Perth during the Claremont killings? Sounds like a party goer that gets familiar with the victim in the club and lures them into the car before doing whatever he does. Is this MM?

Not that I know if. One was a local police officer whom Janine may have dated, one was a pharmacist who worked in the same shopping center as Janine, one was just a guy who told others he killed her (but gave incorrect details). Their names are in the article, I did some background searching on the pharmacist, but couldn't link him to the Perth area.

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/three-men-named-in-missing-janine-case/story-e6freuy9-1225739340289

 

[Sutton]

Silver tongue mentioned watch possibly being run over. Maybe, it was dark.. Plus it had to be in a spot as Horse riders found it. Might be just a case it got water in it over time.

Do y'all think Jane's watch fell off as her body was carried to the disposal site? Or do y'all think the CSK had planned on keeping it but accidentally dropped it when he left (as he is said to have kept Sarah's sunflower keychain and Ciara's Claddagh ring)?

 

[elastic]

Do y'all think Jane's watch fell off as her body was carried to the disposal site? Or do y'all think the CSK had planned on keeping it but accidentally dropped it when he left (as he is said to have kept Sarah's sunflower keychain and Ciara's Claddagh ring)?

I think its probably what you have suggested above, it was probably the one item he wanted as a souvenir given the descriptions of the other items.

Interestingly when Wark raped the QLD woman he apparently took off her earings to keep as a souvenir himself before she managed to escape, he also urinated all over her, very repulsive rapist. That is in the article about the rape. This is probably common though for serial killers so doesnt single out Wark, but his choice of souvenir was similar

 

[elastic]

So you are saying, electrical tape was not used in the Karrakatta rape, it was rope, the same used in CSK murders?

If it was electrical tape, that would insinuate electrician, auto or construction, or a mobile mechanic in a white van.

It was beleived to be 'electrical cord/wire' originally, now they are saying 'washing line'. I cant remember electrical flex, but it is wrong, it was a cord, or wire. Now they know its 'washing line'

 

[Sutton]

Deleted post, as link was broken. Will repost when I am able to link.

 

[Sutton]

Hi Sutton, I am in Australia, and can access the AMPR website without any problems.

Have you tried again, just incase it was a bit of a glitch?

I still cannot access the site. I will post details and explain why this (kind of) matters in a blog post when I give the website administrator a chance to respond to my email.

Thanks to everyone who replied to my query. Can anyone outside of Australia or New Zealand access australianmissingpersonsregister.com ? Please PM me and let me know where you are.

 

[Bartholemeus]

There have been suggestions in the media that Lance Williams is no longer a suspect and the only reason they have not publically admitted it is because of a potentially large compensation pay out against them.

Whether or not this is true or not is another story but its definitely how the media are running it.

He would have no grounds whatsoever in a compensation case. He stalked women 4 nights per week over a period of months and was recorded doing so. He picked up a girl in the area. He didn't have any alibis. He failed a lie detector test (allegedly).

Any court will find that the police were justified in their attention to LW.

Whilst it's obvious police leaked his name and details about him to the press, they will deny it and that will also go nowhere.

The most likely reasons why police won't rule him out publicly;

a. Police rarely admit fault. Just a cultural thing that seems to be a global phenomena
b. The think he's a creepy stalker and doesn't deserve an apology
c. He's still a POI

 

[aim2solve]

Can anybody here please assist me identifying the item of jewelry shown on the left in this picture? It is a ring that belonged to SS?

 

[papertrail]

I still cannot access the site. I will post details and explain why this (kind of) matters in a blog post when I give the website administrator a chance to respond to my email.

Thanks to everyone who replied to my query. Can anyone outside of Australia or New Zealand access australianmissingpersonsregister.com ? Please PM me and let me know where you are.

Have you tried clearing your cache and temporary folders ?

 

[Mel 1303]

I still cannot access the site. I will post details and explain why this (kind of) matters in a blog post when I give the website administrator a chance to respond to my email.

Thanks to everyone who replied to my query. Can anyone outside of Australia or New Zealand access australianmissingpersonsregister.com ? Please PM me and let me know where you are.

Sutton have you accessed the Australian Missing Persons Registers facebook page? Nic that runs AMPR is pretty prolific on FB and the few times I have PM'd her via FB she has responded within the day.

The AMPR website not only has a list of missing people, but there is also a section on people who were missing and who have been located, as well as a series of missing/murdered cases from NSW and QLD during the 80's and 90's.

 

[papertrail]

Can anybody here please assist me identifying the item of jewelry shown on the left in this picture? It is a ring that belonged to SS?

It's the claddagh brooch re jewelry item missing CG. The nobby bit in the middle is a crown, and the circle is made up of two arms and hands with each hand holding the heart-shaped crown.

 

[Mel 1303]

If the Karrakatta incident is as bad as they have reported then they must have some fantastic DNA, seeing as the victim ran straight to nearby Hollywood hospital? Straight in, rape kit.

RSBM The girl was grabbed off the street, her head covered, bound, thrown into a vehicle, later abandoned naked to find her own way to safety. Even without the sexual assault, that would be pretty horrific.

Sexual assault, in Australia, is (amongst other definitions):
sexual connection by penetration of the genitalia of any person to any extent by any part of the body of another person or an object;

http://www.legalanswers.sl.nsw.gov.au/hot_topics/pdf/sexual_assault_56.pdf
Sexual assault by means of a gloved hand, or bottle, or any number of other horrific possibilities, may not leave a large amount of forensic evidence at all. The above PDF outlines some of the advances in Australia with reguards to how the law has evolved in the area of sexual assault. According to the paper, sexual assault nurses (SANE) who specialise in obtaining forensic evidence were not introduced in NSW hospitals until 2003. I dont know about when they were introduced to WA. Rape kits are fairly standard now, but DNA technology was nothing like it is now back when that poor young woman was attacked at Karrakatta.