closed KC has checked into Probatio .2011.08.24 - 6:00 PM EDT

[Kakidoll]

maybe she moved in with the 'other' Dr. Phil family......... Alexandra or her parents... They've gotten tons o'money from Dr. Phil over the years. :floorlaugh: Now THAT would be quite a show. Alex and Casey head to head over who is in more denial.

 

[cityslick]

The woman who did the presser also said she had NOT spoken to the Probation Officer. He had no Supervisor with him - and he or the DOC CANNOT alter the Courts directives, only a motion from the Court can do this. I have seen no motion from the Court stating OCA is not required to find a job and can substitute school for work.

Everyone is getting very ahead of themselves here.

Did you miss the part of the terms where I bolded 'in so far as able'?

That is a very loose definition. If the 'offender' can prove she cannot get a job because a) everyone hates her, b) death threats or c) no one will hire her, then the probation officer can make the judgement to just make her do schooling, since she is not able to gain employment.

This is what the lady was trying to explain in the presser in so many words.

 

[logicalgirl]

Which would defeat the purpose of probation ,much like not getting a job.
How does this help her integrate back into society as a productive citizen?

It doesn't. It's all a sham. What a waste ,a huge waste. :maddening:

OMG!!! Am I invisible this morning!!!!! :maddening::maddening::maddening:

This is Bullcarp! This is not what the presser said at all! What is going on here?

 

[lauriej]

I hope every probationer in the state asks for this concession. :banghead:

So where is her money coming from? Will she have to pay the $20 fee since she's not working :waitasec:

I'm really late to the party,so I'm sorry if this has been answered.

BBM

That does not begin until February. Not to worry, Cindy can come up with $20 a month to cover it.

..gretlP said that yes, she will be paying $20/month for cost of supervision for her probation.

..the $20/month that is to begin in february/2012 was for the costs judgeP gave her at the sentencing hearing for liarX4..

judgeP Order---liarX4 conviction:

Case Fine--$4000.00 CCA ($1000.00 X 4)--$200.00 Court Costs---$5.00 CCF--$50.00 LGCJTF--$225.00 TEENCT--$3.00 CRMESTPPR--$20.00 CRIMEPREVNTN--$50.00 CRIMINAL ORDINANCE FEE--$65.00
TOTAL---$4618.00

---which @ $20/month she'd pay off in almost 20 years..

 

[logicalgirl]

Did you miss the part of the terms where I bolded 'in so far as able'?

That is a very loose definition. If the 'offender' can prove she cannot get a job because a) everyone hates her, b) death threats or c) no one will hire her, then the probation officer can make the judgement to just make her do schooling, since she is not able to gain employment.

This is what the lady was trying to explain in the presser in so many words.

That is NOT true, only a Court order can alter the terms of her probation - the DOC does NOT have the authority to do that.

 

[LinTX]

I don't hear DCO saying anything like what JB said...he wasn't even there when she reported and is just spinning (as usual). The order says she has to work, if possible. The DCO rep said sometimes probationers can't find work, and I'm sure that's true...people with squeaky clean records can't find work either (unemployment rate approaching 11% in FL).

Doesn't mean she won't have to show she is looking for a job though. I doubt that she knew JB had made it sound as if FCA is receiving special considerations beyond privacy/security stuff when she was asked about school. She knows some probationers go to school, but they probably also look for work if unemployed, IOW? And as was pointed out by logicalgirl, getting her GED is mandatory, per statute...JB just likes to dream about her getting her PhD in chemistry, but that doesn't mean we have to believe in his fantasy. :twocents:

eta: the $20 monthly fee has nothing to do with the fines by the court, they're in addition to them

 

[askfornina]

That is NOT true, only a Court order can alter the terms of her probation - the DOC does NOT have the authority to do that.

"The educational requirement is mandatory.
The employment issue is separate. Statute above gives leeway to probation to decide what's possible relative to employment.

Judge Perry's order highlighted that concept.
The order imposed the work requirement but used language indicating that
it was to be determined by probation. That gives probation discretion to work it out without a need to go before the Court again." - this is a quote from MiraclesHappen in the lawyers thread. i know you read this from a previous post. am i reading this wrong? just trying to clarify here

eta: i do agree that the schooling and probation are a separate issue, in case that wasn't clear. in other words "not one for the other."

 

[cityslick]

That is NOT true, only a Court order can alter the terms of her probation - the DOC does NOT have the authority to do that.

(c) Work faithfully at suitable employment insofar as may be possible.

Judge Perry addressed this specifically (it's been talked about ad nauseum on these forums). The discretion of if she can find suitable employment lies with the probation officer. Yes, she has to find employment but she is not bound by that (meaning if she doesn't get a job, she doesn't go to jail).

I hope I'm making my point clearer.

 

[21merc7]

That is NOT true, only a Court order can alter the terms of her probation - the DOC does NOT have the authority to do that.

EXACTLY! The defense attorney can (and will) submit a Motion to the Court. The Judge will make a decision and issue an Order with any modifications that Judge feels due or not due. Until then, she has to complete a GED test and get the diploma (no biggie), then start trying to get jobs. However, Florida seems a bit lax on this, so she may not try very hard and will still get by. We shall see what happens in the next few months.

 

[MissJames]

OMG!!! Am I invisible this morning!!!!! :maddening::maddening::maddening:

This is Bullcarp! This is not what the presser said at all! What is going on here?

:couch: I haven't read past the first few posts on page 1 :innocent:

I will take my :chillpill: and calm down. Whew ! That's a relief . TY :seeya:

If you say it ,I'm taking it to the bank. :rocker:

 

[MsMacGyver]

I heard what you said LG..makes sense to me..Thanks!

 

[MissJames]

(c) Work faithfully at suitable employment insofar as may be possible.

Judge Perry addressed this specifically (it's been talked about ad nauseum on these forums). The discretion of if she can find suitable employment lies with the probation officer. Yes, she has to find employment but she is not bound by that (meaning if she doesn't get a job, she doesn't go to jail).

I hope I'm making my point clearer.

So, why would any probationer bother following the rules if there's no consequences? That doesn't make sense to me. Either they require it as part of the terms or they don't. JMO

 

[dog.gone.cute]

:maddening:

CFCA and JB's shenanigans regarding the Probation Issue are getting old ! I really wish the Florida Bar Association would STOP "lolly gagging around" and put an end to JB's bs ... it has gone on far too looooooooonnnggg ...

I mean really ... is the Probation Office that IGNORANT ? They REALLY need to think about this : How in the he77 is CFCA receiving "death threats" when the PUBLIC does NOT where she is REALLY LIVING ... and the PUBLIC does NOT have her phone number ?

The DOC should have asked for LE's "documentation" of threats ... oh forget it ... they probably don't even know WTH that means ...

This Probation Issue is becoming a JOKE ... a HUGE JOKE ...


MOO ...

 

[cityslick]

So, why would any probationer bother following the rules if there's no consequences? That doesn't make sense to me. Either they require it as part of the terms or they don't. JMO

I go back to what was said during the press conference.

We have many offenders that cannot work and do schooling instead. Many offenders find they cannot be hired due to their crime.

Doesn't this mean the job 'requirement' is lax then? If an offender gives the probation officer a number of job applications and shows that he/she is not getting called back for interviews, does this prove they are trying to seek employment but are not getting hired?

 

[jaleigh]

There's one way to keep the public's anger with Casey at a fever pitch; make sure she doesn't have to have the same consequences as everyone else on the planet. It's what she expects ,since that's how Cindy treated her. The State of FL is continuing to feed the monster that was created by the Anthony's. They are telling Casey she is special and can do what she wants . They'll protect her and make exceptions for her.
I hope her next victim(s) hold the State of FL equally responsible.

Lol like Andy said to Barney, ain't it the truth?

How can a mother get away with what I see as murdering her child and get off serving probation all while attending school from the comfort of her home?

So many things are wrong with this picture.
mo

 

[logicalgirl]

(c) Work faithfully at suitable employment insofar as may be possible.

Judge Perry addressed this specifically (it's been talked about ad nauseum on these forums). The discretion of if she can find suitable employment lies with the probation officer. Yes, she has to find employment but she is not bound by that (meaning if she doesn't get a job, she doesn't go to jail).

I hope I'm making my point clearer.

No you are not making it clearer and I am not at all confused by the Order. She may not be able to find a job for the next 12 months, but she will have to show sustained job search efforts and use every possible resource to be able to get one. Sitting on one's duff saying "I can't find a job" will not be acceptable.

 

[rossva]

Most call center and customer service business'es require access to customers records and accounts. Most, if not all, legitimate ones will do a credit check on potential applicants. I am sure the acquitted Casey does not have a high enough credit score to qualify for employment at one.

Security concerns are just more lies. FCA/Baez are going to dictate how she does everything and the DOC complies apparently...
Lots of call center type of customer service work is done from home. All it takes is a phone and a computer and we know she knows how to use those. Make her work and start paying her debts.

 

[cityslick]

No you are not making it clearer and I am not at all confused by the Order. She may not be able to find a job for the next 12 months, but she will have to show sustained job search efforts and use every possible resource to be able to get one. Sitting on one's duff saying "I can't find a job" will not be acceptable.

If she produces copies of job applications every month, don't you think that will suffice? At that point the probation officer needs to follow up with the place of employment and ask why they won't consider an application that has the name Casey Anthony on it.

How else do you show 'sustained' job efforts?

I never said she can get away with not trying to find a job, just that it's entirely plausible that she won't work while she's on probation because she 'can't' find a job. There seems to be this thought that she better get a job, or else.

 

[marlap]

Most call center and customer service business'es require access to customers records and accounts. Most, if not all, legitimate ones will do a credit check on potential applicants. I am sure the acquitted Casey does not have a high enough credit score to qualify for employment at one.

That's a realy good point...I hadn't thought of it at all.

 

[LinTX]

No you are not making it clearer and I am not at all confused by the Order. She may not be able to find a job for the next 12 months, but she will have to show sustained job search efforts and use every possible resource to be able to get one. Sitting on one's duff saying "I can't find a job" will not be acceptable.

And it's also not just turning in applications - po's can and do check with the job to see if there was an application or interview, etc. She will at least have to work at trying to find something. Considering her qualifications and reputation, that could be very enlightening and maybe the best education (about herself) she's likely to receive.