CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #24

[vasportsmom]

Look at the dates of the two articles. Mine above and yours.
I disagree. Been there and done that.

They appear to say the same thing to me. One just expounds upon the "no connection" statement while the other doesn't. That isn't unusual, most articles vary in their central focus.

 

[jjenny]

Look at the dates of the two articles. Mine above and yours.
I disagree. Been there and done that.

You article says the same thing as mine (pole had no connection to Dylan), except mine gives out more details (owner of the pole had been found). So what are the dates of the articles supposed to tell me?

 

[katydid23]

[respectfully snipped for space....]

EDIT I hope that the LE has checked for prints on the cereal box and bowl that Dylan left behind in the house and that they're just not giving out that information. It would clear up whether Dylan went missing before he went to the house.

BBM [ bolded by me]

By the way, I agree with the first paragraphs you posted, but I snipped to the edit to reply.

I posted this exact same thought. It seemed to me that prints on the cereal box would have been solid evidence that Dylan was at the house Monday morning.

But a wise member pointed out that Dylan probably picked out the cereal himself, so he might have touched it in Walmart, so it dos not prove anything.

And they didn't send the forensics team to the house for a week or more---so his bowl was probably washed and put away by then. jmo

 

[jjenny]

BBM [ bolded by me]

By the way, I agree with the first paragraphs you posted, but I snipped to the edit to reply.

I posted this exact same thought. It seemed to me that prints on the cereal box would have been solid evidence that Dylan was at the house Monday morning.

But a wise member pointed out that Dylan probably picked out the cereal himself, so he might have touched it in Walmart, so it dos not prove anything.

And they didn't send the forensics team to the house for a week or more---so his bowl was probably washed and put away by then. jmo

Cereal box would be made of paper. It is my understand that it's hard to leave prints on paper.

 

[catswhiskers]

There is a number of coincidences in this case that I find questionable.
First, Dylan wanted to go to his friend on Sunday's evening-father told him no.
Then Dylan stopped using his phone sometimes after 8 pm on Sunday. Possibly the phone went dead. It doesn't appear to have been pinging anywhere since that time.
Then Dylan supposedly overslept and didn't get a ride from his father to visit his friend in the morning as he seemed very eager to do.
Then, some lucky kidnapper got him just when his phone wasn't working?

We can look at them in retrospect and call them coincidences, but IMO they are just a sequence of selected events that preceded something horrible which happened later. Predators are by nature opportunistic imo, and if one happened upon Dylan at the right time and in the right place, then whether or not Dylan's phone was working would not be the issue.

 

[Ransom]

Phone without GPS still have to connect to the tower.
"With the older style analog cellular phones and digital mobile phones that are not GPS capable the cellular network provider can determine where the phone is to within a hundred feet or so using “triangulation” because at any one time, the phone is usually able to communicate with more than one of the aerial arrays provided by the phone network. The cell towers are typically 6 to 12 miles apart (less in cities) and a phone is usually within range of at least three of them. By comparing the signal strength and time lag for the phone’s carrier signal to reach at each tower, the network provider can triangulate the phone’s approximate position."
http://pursuitmag.com/locating-mobile-phones-through-pinging-and-triangulation/

No cell towers close by links already provided.

 

[cluciano63]

We can look at them in retrospect and call them coincidences, but IMO they are just a sequence of selected events that preceded something horrible which happened later. Predators are by nature opportunistic imo, and if one happened upon Dylan at the right time and in the right place, then whether or not Dylan's phone was working would not be the issue.

Adding in that Dylan decides not to get up, after making his plans that he was, IMO, clearly serious about and it is a lot of circumstances or coincidences, whatever one choose to call them.

 

[vasportsmom]

Are we at the point where we just skim posts for whatever we want to comment on? I do NOT think LE did this. I was ASKING if it was a possibility. I was TRYING to throw something else out there. Cheese-O-pete.

Maybe I'm missing something but generally when posters ask if something is possible they have a reason for suspecting the questioned circumstances occurred. At the very least they can see how the scenario fits.

 

[4Jayhawks]

Cereal box would be made of paper. It is my understand that it's hard to leave prints on paper.

What about the inner bag? If Dylan's prints were on that, then he had to have been at MR's house and had cereal, right?

 

[Ransom]

Cereal box would be made of paper. It is my understand that it's hard to leave prints on paper.

Fingerprints are taken on paper per FBI, LE, jail, prison, etc. because it is a good porous substance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fingerprints_of_Anna_Timiriova_3.jpg

 

[catswhiskers]

Are we at the point where we just skim posts for whatever we want to comment on? I do NOT think LE did this. I was ASKING if it was a possibility. I was TRYING to throw something else out there. Cheese-O-pete.

I'll trade you my carked it for your Cheese-O-Pete - deal?

 

[Ransom]

I'll trade you my carked it for your Cheese-O-Pete - deal?

Cheese-O-Pete wins hands down!!!

 

[mijamawi]

Maybe I'm missing something but generally when posters ask if something is possible they have a reason for suspecting the questioned circumstances occurred. At the very least they can see how the scenario fits.

Perhaps something was missed. I asked about a possible scenario based on something that happened in another case. It was a question of could it be possible. It was ended with a question that IF said scenario was true, what could it mean. Again, I was throwing something out there. MOO, JMO, JMHO, JMNSHO, IMO, MOO, :twocents:

 

[mmmagique]

Cereal box would be made of paper. It is my understand that it's hard to leave prints on paper.

I don't know, but I found this:

Fingerprints on paper,
cardboard and unfinished wood can last for up to forty years (per
actual casework histories) unless exposed to water (and contaminate
transfer prints can even then sometimes persist). Fingerprints on
non-porous surfaces such as plastic, metal and glass can last for
years if not exposed to water and if left undisturbed.?

Source:
Frequently Asked Questions about Fingerprints
The answers come from several sources, including Certified Latent
Print Examiners at crime labs in America and Fellows of The
Fingerprint Society.
http://onin.com/fp/lpfaq.html

 

[Allusonz]

LE didn't search the house forensically for 10 days.
Why would anyone keep a dirty bowl for 10 days?

Do we know this for a fact?

No we don't. Although they did do a complete forensic search with a search warrant, does not mean that forensics had not been done in certain areas on previous entries to the home.

It has been stated that they had been in MR's home prior to the main search. For many involved in investigations, it would not be unusual to take items or do a minor forensic evaluation for DNA, et al prior to doing a more thorough one at a later date.

This does not mean that they for instance did not take items which could be tested like an ipod, sweatpants, even a milk carton on the day he initially went missing, or on any other requests which LE asked of MR, and apparently he agreed with.

 

[mmmagique]

What about the inner bag? If Dylan's prints were on that, then he had to have been at MR's house and had cereal, right?

I would say it's probable, but not 100%. They could have done a rip it open in the car and mow (rhymes with ow) it down thing.

 

[Abby Normal Again]

Cereal box would be made of paper. It is my understand that it's hard to leave prints on paper.

Inside flaps, bag, and maybe milk container. It's also possible, not probable, that they took the cereal bowl on day one- it may not have needed a search warrant with MR being cooperative. Can't tell without reports

Just to imagine a scenario where MR harmed Dylan on Sunday night; if i had done this and was inclined to cover it up for some reason, i would get all or most of Dylan's stuff out of sight, i.e. backpack, and maybe disappear a fishing pole for good measure and then the next afternoon I would start texting his phone to claim to be looking for him. I might even leave an item or two of his clothing behind in the house to show he had been there and put a cereal bowl on the counter, and the TV on Nick. And I would claim that he refused to get up, in order to explain why he did not take the ride to see the friend he had made plans to see.

Just a scenario.

I would claim he stayed up late watching TV and I went to bed early, and that must be why he didn't wake up well that morning.

Just to name one thing I'd say differently if I were creating a false scenario.

I may have also tried to pre-emptively explain the phone. It wouldn't charge, Dylan was annoyed that and plugging it into different outlets to get it to charge.

 

[katydid23]

Do we know this for a fact?

No we don't. Although they did do a complete forensic search with a search warrant, does not mean that forensics had not been done in certain areas on previous entries to the home.

It has been stated that they had been in MR's home prior to the main search. For many involved in investigations, it would not be unusual to take items or do a minor forensic evaluation for DNA, et al prior to doing a more thorough one at a later date.

This does not mean that they for instance did not take items which could be tested like an ipod, sweatpants, even a milk carton on the day he initially went missing, or on any other requests which LE asked of MR, and apparently he agreed with.

Except that they didn't take the i-pod or the sweatpants until they got a warrant ten days later.

I would bet that they never took that cereal bowl, because at the beginning they were looking for a lost boy and his fishing pole. They were concentrating all of their resources on a Rescue/Recovery effort, which was the right thing to do, imo. They weren't trying to prove the boy's father was telling the truth. JMO

 

[demetra]

I have read so much on this case and have my own theory about what could have happened. I have years of experience working with adolescent males and know all too well how they can respond when angry. The reason I mention this is that I have read that Dylan was outspoken and obviously did not care for the idea of having to go to his dad's for Thanksgiving. I believe this is further confirmed by him making plans the very same night he arrives at his dad's to leave and go to his friend's home.
It is possible that he and his father argued over him leaving and somehow his cell was smashed which would explain the lack of texts.
My experience with teens leads me to believe that perhaps Dylan was angry with dad, just went to bed to avoid further arguing and planned to leave as soon as possible. This may explain why he would sleep in his street clothes, planning to leave once dad went to sleep or first thing in the morning. He could have declined the ride from dad because he was still angry and, as soon as dad left, he was up and left to hitchike to his friend's.
He could have taken his bag of clothes planning to stay a night or two at his friend's house. For reasons unknown, something happened to him on the way there.
I REALLY hope this theory is way off and that he turns up somewhere safe and healthy. He has been on my mind every day since he went missing and I am so saddened by his disappearance.
I hope that I haven't violated any forum rules by posting this but I really wanted to express my thoughts on this.

My theory is exactly the same as yours.

 

[Allusonz]

Cereal box would be made of paper. It is my understand that it's hard to leave prints on paper.

Some surfaces, for obvious reasons, are easier to get a fingerprint from. Just because a surface is more difficult does not mean impossible.

One is less apt to get a good fingerprint than DNA. as one should know that followed the Amanda Knox trial.