CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #42

[Confusion]

Ah. I don't see any difference in these two statements. Both, to me, mean that the child would go with a stranger. Neither one looks glowing or realistic to me. But neither of them look disparaging. Again, isn't it amazing that people can look at the same words and get such different meanings?

That was pretty much the idea of choosing those statements. One is what ER said, paraphrased, and the other what MR said, also paraphrased. They mean the same thing but people say it shows what a great mother she is and what a lousy father he is. I don't see much difference. My comments about what they mean are more or less what people say when they hear them. MOO

 

[Seajay]

It's a fair theory to start, for sure. But on the other hand she was too far away to do that. Then again, she could have gotten someone else to do it. However, if she had why would she be so upset and make such a big deal about it, because then she would be violating a court ordered visitation and that would put her in a bad light. Of course, she could make Mark look bad, but she already had full custody.

The cons far outweigh the pros on that theory, IMO. She was already sitting in the best seat in the house. (figuratively speaking, of course)

Except that she still had Mark in her life and was going to as long as he had access to Dylan. Apparently the ship with Cory had sailed for Mark but Dylan was still in his life, therefore Mark was still in Elaine's life. She moved away, she got a new job, was going to be married, all she needed to make her dream life come true was for Mark to go away.

It was a theory I had early on. It's not particularly my favorite one now since so much time has gone by. Had he only been gone a few weeks, I could see this one happening, but after all this time.........no. Thing is, I had considered that it was an ill thought out plan, and there was no way to bring Dylan back once he disappeared and this story took on a life of it's own. Anyone involved is looking at parental interference and worse after all this time. How to you bring a kid back with that hanging over your head??? I dunno. Just throwing this out here since now I can because MR brought it up as one of his possibilities on the DP show. I wasn't allowed to talk about it before.

 

[YidArmyRach]

Azg said many threads back that MR would smack her kids heads into each other to get their attention or if they were fighting with each other or something. Sounds like abuse but not with a ' fist' or an ' open hand'.

Its certainly NOT something I would do, but I've heard quite a few people over the years talking about "banging their kids heads together" when they argue. It happened to my mum during her childhood in residential care!

I think, sadly, people have different ideas and standards of parenting and a lot of it is learned from how people were brought up themselves. I guess if MR had his head banged together as a child, then it could be something he'd do to his kids ..... without actually thinking like a lot of us would, that its actually a pretty violent thing to do.

Physical punishment doesn't necessarily lead to murder in my book though.

 

[Abstar80]

Here is an interesting article I came across.

Though her frustration with Mark is clear, she doesn't believe he would hurt their son.

"In my mind, I can't fathom a parent hurting their own child. I don't want to believe I picked so wrong that my ex-husband could hurt our son. So no, I don't believe that," said Elaine.

Here is the link to the full article

http://www.krdo.com/news/Redwine-fa...ance/-/417220/18076238/-/npdmtsz/-/index.html

I might add that this article was posted on the 9th January...7 weeks after DR disappeared and 6 weeks ago...almost right in the middle of this case.

And for comparison....This article was on the 26th November where is is more than certain that MR did something to harm their son...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-boys-mother-suspects-husband-sons-disappearance/story?id=17813458

I am not sure what ER believes. I know what was clearly stated on the DP show, but there is not alot of consistency in her statements.

 

[mmmagique]

I can see that there is only little bits of things here and there pointing to MR in DR's disappearance. Several things do not add up and that does not make anyone a murderer. I get this and I'm still hopeful that he is not. I still believe he may not be. But to now go and say maybe he isn't violent or maybe he never took his kids or maybe he didn't do this or that ........what's the point of that? He said on national tv that he took his children and hid them from their mother ON PURPOSE 3 times. It doesn't really matter what his motives were for doing it . He admits it he did it. In at least one case, there is a police report to back it up. He admits he shoved, pushed, threw and various other NON OPENHANDFIST abused a wife. He's bashed his kids heads together to get them to act right. He's a violent, child "hiding" person at the very least ! I don't see why that is up for debate. Has he harmed or hidden Dylan? No one knows. But we all know what he's done in the past . Is it Phil's words " past behavior is a good indicator of future behavior '' ?

To Song22 , cheers hon. Glad you are ok !

Thanks so much for this.
I was beginning to think I had fallen down Alice's rabbit hole and drank some funny potion. Big was little, and little was big.
The things he's done and said does not prove he is a murderer, but it does show...something...(unusual)

 

[ColdHands]

Hadn't seen this article before:

Missing Monument teen's brother unleashes at their father







http://www.gazette.com/articles/missing-151587-brother-monument.html#ixzz2MXjk8VOs

It's so sad all Cory's been put through, IMO. Striking that he feels he's not been able to tell his dad how he felt before. Not shocking, given all we know.

Moo

It's great that Cory got to express himself therapeutically, but I don't see how that helps find Dylan. IMO.

 

[mmmagique]

Except that she still had Mark in her life and was going to as long as he had access to Dylan. Apparently the ship with Cory had sailed for Mark but Dylan was still in his life, therefore Mark was still in Elaine's life. She moved away, she got a new job, was going to be married, all she needed to make her dream life come true was for Mark to go away.

It was a theory I had early on. It's not particularly my favorite one now since so much time has gone by. Had he only been gone a few weeks, I could see this one happening, but after all this time.........no. Thing is, I had considered that it was an ill thought out plan, and there was no way to bring Dylan back once he disappeared and this story took on a life of it's own. Anyone involved is looking at parental interference and worse after all this time. How to you bring a kid back with that hanging over your head??? I dunno. Just throwing this out here since now I can because MR brought it up as one of his possibilities on the DP show. I wasn't allowed to talk about it before.

I don't think the last person to see a missing person blaming one of that person's family member makes it ok to discuss one of the victims as a possible perp.

Does it?

 

[mmmagique]

Here is an interesting article I came across.

Though her frustration with Mark is clear, she doesn't believe he would hurt their son.

"In my mind, I can't fathom a parent hurting their own child. I don't want to believe I picked so wrong that my ex-husband could hurt our son. So no, I don't believe that," said Elaine.

Here is the link to the full article

http://www.krdo.com/news/Redwine-fa...ance/-/417220/18076238/-/npdmtsz/-/index.html

I might add that this article was posted on the 9th January...7 weeks after DR disappeared and 6 weeks ago...almost right in the middle of this case.

And for comparison....This article was on the 26th November where is is more than certain that MR did something to harm their son...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-boys-mother-suspects-husband-sons-disappearance/story?id=17813458

I am not sure what ER believes. I know what was clearly stated on the DP show, but there is not alot of consistency in her statements.

She probably didn't WANT to believe he could hurt their son. As time went on, and mr's behaviour became more...unusual...I don't know how she could possibly ignore that possibility. (probability)

 

[FruitTingles]

Here is an interesting article I came across.

Though her frustration with Mark is clear, she doesn't believe he would hurt their son.

"In my mind, I can't fathom a parent hurting their own child. I don't want to believe I picked so wrong that my ex-husband could hurt our son. So no, I don't believe that," said Elaine.

Here is the link to the full article

http://www.krdo.com/news/Redwine-fa...ance/-/417220/18076238/-/npdmtsz/-/index.html

I might add that this article was posted on the 9th January...7 weeks after DR disappeared and 6 weeks ago...almost right in the middle of this case.

And for comparison....This article was on the 26th November where is is more than certain that MR did something to harm their son...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-boys-mother-suspects-husband-sons-disappearance/story?id=17813458

I am not sure what ER believes. I know what was clearly stated on the DP show, but there is not alot of consistency in her statements.

I was looking for this last night. Thanks

 

[Abstar80]

She probably didn't WANT to believe he could hurt their son. As time went on, and mr's behaviour became more...unusual...I don't know how she could possibly ignore that possibility. (probability)

Yeah I could accept that if the articles ran in chronological order. The article that say she knows Mark did it was dated 26th November 2012 and is the bottom link in my post above. The one that says she doesn't believe he could do that, was dated 9th January 2013 and was the top link on my post above.

I am willing to accept the possibility that the 9th January one was done long before it was posted in MSM hence the not pointing the finger at mark. It's just weird.....along with every other aspect of this case!!!!

 

[ColdHands]

Dr. Phil:
What do you believe happened?

MR:
There’s not a lot of possibilities here, in my opinion. I think…either he was… he was taken by somebody that knew who he was goin’ with or he was abducted as he was walking down the street trying to make it to his friend, T’s, house. I personally have a lot of suspicions that Elaine could be involved in this, but I don’t have anything to back that up, and I don’t have anything to support that.

From Day 1 show transcript.

I wanted to check if Mark pointed fingers at Elaine in response to a direct question but he did not. IMO, it was an expansion of the first theory, that "he was taken by somebody that knew who he was goin' with." And then Dr Phil kept him on the topic.

 

[mmmagique]

Yeah I could accept that if the articles ran in chronological order. The article that say she knows Mark did it was dated 26th November 2012 and is the bottom link in my post above. The one that says she doesn't believe he could do that, was dated 9th January 2013 and was the top link on my post above.

I am willing to accept the possibility that the 9th January one was done long before it was posted in MSM hence the not pointing the finger at mark. It's just weird.....along with every other aspect of this case!!!!

She did flip flop a bit. Just the same way a person with a missing loved one flip flops between hope and despair. I don't find it that unusual.

 

[song22]

With regards to "glowing" vs. "realistic" parents and how they describe their child--Of course, when you talk to LE you are going to share any possible scenario that seems likely with your child, ie. "well, yes I heard that he had hitchhiked once" or "He was very open with strangers". Absolutely. But when you are asked "Tell us about your child." in an interview, it just seems inappropriate to express annoyance about the child. It seems like your tapping into the wrong channel of emotion.

 

[Eileen730]

She probably didn't WANT to believe he could hurt their son. As time went on, and mr's behaviour became more...unusual...I don't know how she could possibly ignore that possibility. (probability)

Yeah I could accept that if the articles ran in chronological order. The article that say she knows Mark did it was dated 26th November 2012 and is the bottom link in my post above. The one that says she doesn't believe he could do that, was dated 9th January 2013 and was the top link on my post above.

I am willing to accept the possibility that the 9th January one was done long before it was posted in MSM hence the not pointing the finger at mark. It's just weird.....along with every other aspect of this case!!!!

Just maybe she was advised not to say bad things because Mark was
becomming more withdrawn. They figured the blame game didnt work maybe they could get him with Kindness.

:twocents:

 

[SCHMAE]

Just bouncing off Deoneta, ER was hundreds of miles away. Yet, MR thinks ER took Dylan in some undescriptive manner, yet he believes mail carrier was the last person to see Dylan walking with another boy, although LE have denounced the sighting. That makes NO sense what so ever, but we have to consider the source, he is the last known person....

Oh DEE ! Nice find ! Here we have batted around dozens of times the mail lady sighting ! and MR thinking ER took DR from inside his house ! and the two cannot be done at the same time right ?
Genius ! Thank you .

ETA IF MR believes ER took Dylan, then the mail lady's sighting is null and void because Dylan would be gone by that time with ER back to wherever she stashed him. If MR believes the mail lady saw him, then ER could not have taken him as he was still in the area at 2:30 pm ! Again DEE,, thanks for being alert !

 

[Eileen730]

With regards to "glowing" vs. "realistic" parents and how they describe their child--Of course, when you talk to LE you are going to share any possible scenario that seems likely with your child, ie. "well, yes I heard that he had hitchhiked once" or "He was very open with strangers". Absolutely. But when you are asked "Tell us about your child." in an interview, it just seems inappropriate to express annoyance about the child. It seems like your tapping into the wrong channel of emotion.

I dont actually think Mark Knew dylan very well only because he did not spend alot of time with him.

Mark to me seems like he is setting up scenarios of what has happend to him
he is creating a story that will make sense.
So far we have Fishing (in case he is found in the water)
Was open to strangers. (Abduction)

Now in my world....Teens are not receptive to strangers only other teens they distance themselves. My kids dont answer anyone at the door if im not home.
We have caller ID on the land line. I see my children outside working in the yard and neighbors go by and they barely look up and say anything to them.

So I have to say maybe when dylan was younger he would go off with anyone most kids do but around 12 things change. they are aware of stranger danger.

I do not think a parent took him!
I do not think he walked off and someone picked him up.
I dont even think he set foot in that house.

when activity ceased on that phone is when whatever happend to dylan happend!

JMO and my :twocents:

 

[ColdHands]

I didn't see this mentioned. The FMDR admin posted last night that they have a group lined up with experience in water and recovery plus the latest tech for sonar and ROV. Will go in the water when the ice has melted.

I'm glad to see that.

 

[Eileen730]

She did flip flop a bit. Just the same way a person with a missing loved one flip flops between hope and despair. I don't find it that unusual.

Isnt that called Hope for the best but expect the worst!

 

[MissJ]

JMO and I could have been given bad legal advise but I have been told that if someone takes you somewhere you don't want to go and keeps you there against your will it is an abduction. Or is it just if you are an adult and that happens?

 

[Ten-96]

Oh DEE ! Nice find ! Here we have batted around dozens of times the mail lady sighting ! and MR thinking ER took DR from inside his house ! and the two cannot be done at the same time right ?
Genius ! Thank you .

ETA IF MR believes ER took Dylan, then the mail lady's sighting is null and void because Dylan would be gone by that time with ER back to wherever she stashed him. If MR believes the mail lady saw him, then ER could not have taken him as he was still in the area at 2:30 pm ! Again DEE,, thanks for being alert !

In my opinion, maybe if he thinks Dylan went with someone at Elaine's behest both scenarios could still be true.