CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #42

[Seek&Find]

I love my 13 year old. Though I don't know everything that is in her wonderful brain, I know a lot about what she thinks and feels. I know she is very compassionate and empathetic to the marginalized. I know she worries a lot about whether people like her or not and tries very hard to please others. I know deep things about her fears and dreams and I know silly things like how she can't burp. If she ever went missing I would be able to tell you who she was and what she was like. If she was missing and perhaps was being held by an abductor, I would not make comments that seemed to express my annoyance at her teenage ways, like being "adamant" about her snacks or "if she aint gotta get up, she ain't gonna get up". I wouldn't say she had me "wrapped around her finger" because that kinda sounds like she would be manipulative. I wouldn't reference the one argument or disagreement we may have had about whether or not to go to a sit down place for dinner. I wouldn't roll my eyes and seem annoyed, like "wink, wink" you all know what teenagers are like. It's not the time or the right context. I would say how amazing she is. This goes for my son , too who is 11 and still sleeps with a Build a Bear and is so funny he makes us all laugh at the dinner table until we squirt milk out of our noises. If either one of them went missing I would never in a million years make any kind of statement that expressed annoyance with them.

Excellent post, again! You need to post more often! :cheer:

 

[SuperMom1995]

mark's use of double negatives seems odd, imo.

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sensitive.......

 

[MrsPC]

Thank you very much, but I didn't see or hear anything about Dylan speaking to a judge without parents or lawyers. Did I miss it? Just say yes if so, and I will try harder.

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I think TxJan had transcribed one of ER's interviews

Elaine Redwine:
The judge made it very clear when he spoke with Dylan one on one that he would not release those records. They were released to law enforcement but they won’t release them to anybody other than law enforcement

 

[TxJan1971]

I love my 13 year old. Though I don't know everything that is in her wonderful brain, I know a lot about what she thinks and feels. I know she is very compassionate and empathetic to the marginalized. I know she worries a lot about whether people like her or not and tries very hard to please others. I know deep things about her fears and dreams and I know silly things like how she can't burp. If she ever went missing I would be able to tell you who she was and what she was like. If she was missing and perhaps was being held by an abductor, I would not make comments that seemed to express my annoyance at her teenage ways, like being "adamant" about her snacks or "if she aint gotta get up, she ain't gonna get up". I wouldn't say she had me "wrapped around her finger" because that kinda sounds like she would be manipulative. I wouldn't reference the one argument or disagreement we may have had about whether or not to go to a sit down place for dinner. I wouldn't roll my eyes and seem annoyed, like "wink, wink" you all know what teenagers are like. It's not the time or the right context. I would say how amazing she is. This goes for my son , too who is 11 and still sleeps with a Build a Bear and is so funny he makes us all laugh at the dinner table until we squirt milk out of our noises. If either one of them went missing I would never in a million years make any kind of statement that expressed annoyance with them.

Here's ER's comments about her son: (just one I picked out in particular):

Elaine Redwine:
You know… so many people have asked me that. Dylan is just a very humorous kid. He’s got such a great sense of humor – always made us laugh, very conscientious, very selfless, you know…very caring, very giving… just an awesome, awesome kid. I never really had any, umm, issues as far as him … you know he was 13, he’ll be 14 soon, and…never really dealt with, you know that teenage year, umm, he’s just… just…. he’s an awesome, awesome kid.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Melissa Blasius:
I mean, obviously, well… I know that …there was some kind of hearing for your custody case and they talked to Dylan or Dylan said something but they won’t tell anybody what he said back in September, right?

Elaine Redwine:
The judge made it very clear when he spoke with Dylan one on one that he would not release those records. They were released to law enforcement but they won’t release them to anybody other than law enforcement.

From Melissa Blasius Interview w/ ER

Gotcha. This, to me, meant without the parents, not without the lawyers. I worked for an attorney (way back when) that didn't allow children in a divorce custody case to be anywhere, even with a judge, without representation. He said both attorneys were always present. Perhaps that was his own code, so the other attorney followed suit.

ETA: Thank you very much. You too, Mrs PC!

 

[SuperMom1995]

Mark's use of double negatives seems odd, IMO.

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This is just my .02 cents. My cousin's husband was the nicest, most easy-going man that you could ever imagine. He was the kind of husband that could make another woman jealous--flowers, trips to exotic places, you name it. He apparently doted on his three children. Well, when he was brought to trial for murdering his entire family, he told a "story" basically that blamed his dead wife and mother of his children for their murders. It is truly amazing how convincing and charming this guy can be. It was only a year or so ago that he finally admitted to murdering his entire family and not just his wife. He is currently on death row in Oregon. Note, that the man had absolutely no prior history of violence--just theft charges that had escalated. I guess that my point is that we never know quite what an individual is capable of. I do recall in MR's case that he does have a history of domestic violence though. That doesn't make him a murderer by any means, but I do believe that he is capable of losing his temper and snapping if he is pushed to the extreme. MOO.

Yes the court will look at someone's propensity for violence.

 

[NC Analyzer]

I love my 13 year old. Though I don't know everything that is in her wonderful brain, I know a lot about what she thinks and feels. I know she is very compassionate and empathetic to the marginalized. I know she worries a lot about whether people like her or not and tries very hard to please others. I know deep things about her fears and dreams and I know silly things like how she can't burp. If she ever went missing I would be able to tell you who she was and what she was like. If she was missing and perhaps was being held by an abductor, I would not make comments that seemed to express my annoyance at her teenage ways, like being "adamant" about her snacks or "if she aint gotta get up, she ain't gonna get up". I wouldn't say she had me "wrapped around her finger" because that kinda sounds like she would be manipulative. I wouldn't reference the one argument or disagreement we may have had about whether or not to go to a sit down place for dinner. I wouldn't roll my eyes and seem annoyed, like "wink, wink" you all know what teenagers are like. It's not the time or the right context. I would say how amazing she is. This goes for my son , too who is 11 and still sleeps with a Build a Bear and is so funny he makes us all laugh at the dinner table until we squirt milk out of our noises. If either one of them went missing I would never in a million years make any kind of statement that expressed annoyance with them.

I have so many things I want to say, but mostly, when I consider how well you have overcome so much adversity from your own childhood, it is an absolute delight to see what joy you have raising your children.

IMO, most parents who are close to their children have a fairly good idea what goes on in their head. In the world of MR, he "thinks" he knows, but I'm much more confident that Elaine knows much, much more than MR and can give a fairly accurate description of who her son is. Without disparaging him.

 

[deoneta]

I love my 13 year old. Though I don't know everything that is in her wonderful brain, I know a lot about what she thinks and feels. I know she is very compassionate and empathetic to the marginalized. I know she worries a lot about whether people like her or not and tries very hard to please others. I know deep things about her fears and dreams and I know silly things like how she can't burp. If she ever went missing I would be able to tell you who she was and what she was like. If she was missing and perhaps was being held by an abductor, I would not make comments that seemed to express my annoyance at her teenage ways, like being "adamant" about her snacks or "if she aint gotta get up, she ain't gonna get up". I wouldn't say she had me "wrapped around her finger" because that kinda sounds like she would be manipulative. I wouldn't reference the one argument or disagreement we may have had about whether or not to go to a sit down place for dinner. I wouldn't roll my eyes and seem annoyed, like "wink, wink" you all know what teenagers are like. It's not the time or the right context. I would say how amazing she is. This goes for my son , too who is 11 and still sleeps with a Build a Bear and is so funny he makes us all laugh at the dinner table until we squirt milk out of our noises. If either one of them went missing I would never in a million years make any kind of statement that expressed annoyance with them.

Exactly. One of things LE advise parents of missing children to do when they speak out is to humanize the missing child to the public. It's probably a long shot in this case, maybe any case, but there's always the chance it could trigger the conscience of a kidnapper or make a reluctant witness come forward. All MOO

(Your description of your children is very sweet and moving.)

 

[NC Analyzer]

Here's ER's comments about her son: (just one I picked out in particular):

Elaine Redwine:
You know… so many people have asked me that. Dylan is just a very humorous kid. He’s got such a great sense of humor – always made us laugh, very conscientious, very selfless, you know…very caring, very giving… just an awesome, awesome kid. I never really had any, umm, issues as far as him … you know he was 13, he’ll be 14 soon, and…never really dealt with, you know that teenage year, umm, he’s just… just…. he’s an awesome, awesome kid.

And that is a prime example of what a parent says about their child when they are missing...especially if they fear they may be lost forever. lease:

The crap MR says about Dylan tells me more about Mark Redwine as a parent than anything else. And that ain't good!

 

[SuperMom1995]

Gotcha. This, to me, meant without the parents, not without the lawyers. I worked for an attorney (way back when) that didn't allow children in a divorce custody case to be anywhere, even with a judge, without representation. He said both attorneys were always present. Perhaps that was his own code, so the other attorney followed suit.

ETA: Thank you very much. You too, Mrs PC!

They are now invited to go back alone with the judge back into the judges chambers to say any concerns totally confidential, thus the sealing of the records.

 

[TxJan1971]

And don't forget about the letter she wrote to DR...

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...g-teen-dylan-redwine-who-disppeared-on-monday

 

[Seek&Find]

Hadn't seen this article before:

Missing Monument teen's brother unleashes at their father

The show “has made me much more confident that Mark had something to do with it,” Cory said.

“It was one of the first times that I have gotten to speak and let him know how I feel,” he said.

But his suspicion’s also come from personal experience. He said that Mark kept him and Dylan from their mother, Elaine Redwine, twice. He and Dylan were kept in a cabin “for a week and a half and he kept us up there without any contact.”

“It was scary and you are afraid and angry,” he said.

http://www.gazette.com/articles/missing-151587-brother-monument.html#ixzz2MXjk8VOs

It's so sad all Cory's been put through, IMO. Striking that he feels he's not been able to tell his dad how he felt before. Not shocking, given all we know.

Moo

 

[Seek&Find]

And don't forget about the letter she wrote to DR...

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...g-teen-dylan-redwine-who-disppeared-on-monday

Thank you for this!

Dear Dylan

I don't know if you can see this and I know your not a big reader so I will keep this short. We are all in Durango looking for you.

I AM HERE and I will never give up looking for you. You are my ray of sunshine and the best kid a mother could ever have. I miss your laugh and your smile so much. We will find you and bring you home with us!

We all love you so much son and hope you are safe. You are the glue in our family so come home and stick us back together!

Son...call your mother!

We love and miss you immensely and will never stop searching for you. Don't give up on us son we will NEVER give up on you.

Love Your Mommy.
and Big Brother and Mike!

 

[Confusion]

I guess I'm weird in another way, I learn more about myself every day here. I feel that it's more helpful to have an honest account of what a missing child is like than a glowing one. Nobody, child or adult, is perfect, and one of those small faults could somehow tie into the disappearance. MOO

 

[TxJan1971]

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“It was one of the first times that I have gotten to speak and let him know how I feel,” he said.

Cory did, however, have an opportunity to sit down with his Dad and AZG's son, "B" when DR first went missing, so this would have been his 2nd conversation with his father. We don't know the nature of the conversation that took place back then. JMO

 

[NC Analyzer]

They are now invited to go back alone with the judge back into the judges chambers to say any concerns totally confidential, thus the sealing of the records.

And you know, it isn't common or routine for a judge to speak to a child, privately, in chambers and then seal the record. It is usually an indication that there is something the child (or parent) has expressed concerns about. The judge may question the child to determine his/her feelings about the issue in an effort to decide if there might be any safety concerns.

 

[cluciano63]

Poor Elaine, she is probably anxious, on top of everything else, wondering what Dylan told the judge and what she may have done differently, even if not legal, depending on what Dylan had said. She may wonder if the judge made a disastrous error in sending Dylan to his father. I wonder if in a trial, would this be unsealed?

 

[Seek&Find]

Quote:
“It was one of the first times that I have gotten to speak and let him know how I feel,” he said.

Cory did, however, have an opportunity to sit down with his Dad and AZG's son, "B" when DR first went missing, so this would have been his 2nd conversation with his father. We don't know the nature of the conversation that took place back then. JMO

Yes, but this may have been the first time he felt safe enough to tell Mark how he felt. And he did say "one of the first".

Moo

 

[TxJan1971]

Yes, but this may have been the first time he felt safe enough to tell Mark how he felt. And he did say "one of the first".

Moo

Totally agree - just wanted to put it out there since I remembered he had at least had the opportunity to sit down with him. I sure would have loved to have been a fly on the wall during that initial meeting...

 

[TxJan1971]

Poor Elaine, she is probably anxious, on top of everything else, wondering what Dylan told the judge and what she may have done differently, even if not legal, depending on what Dylan had said. She may wonder if the judge made a disastrous error in sending Dylan to his father.i wonder if in a trial, would this be unsealed?

Don't ask me why, but I think that it's possible that ER already knew what DR was going to say to the judge OR he told her afterwards. I just have that woman's intuition about it - about their relationship. No fact. JUST MY OPINION