CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #43

[azgrandma]

BBM - maybe angry that Dylan was allowed to stay up until 4am playing video games?

ETA: Oh, perhaps not necessarily angry, but this could be another dig at Elaine for bad parenting - that she'd let Dylan stay up all night.

I believe that if it was a dig at Elaine, he would have been more obvious and direct about it. He minced no words in discussing the coat, alcohol, job location etc.

 

[deoneta]

BBM - maybe angry that Dylan was allowed to stay up until 4am playing video games?

ETA: Oh, perhaps not necessarily angry, but this could be another dig at Elaine for bad parenting - that she'd let Dylan stay up all night.

Yes. Also maybe a bone of contention that Dylan was up for visiting his friends, but too tired for a sit down dinner, too tired to toss the football around, too tired to want to "talk" but instead wanted to watch a movie and text and/or play games. This could all have been viewed as avoidance by MR. All MOO

 

[azgrandma]

And I do wonder if LE see's this arrogance and perhaps this is playing a part in their actions?

They may be playing him like a fiddle.

Again, I firmly believe that LE, FBI, CBI are smarter than we are I know it's hard to imagine, but surely they are?

I agree. IMO, the next time they question him, it should be done by a woman. Men intimidate MR, women he feels control over. JMHO

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

BBM I also think this was all about control and rage. Everyone probably knows someone who sees every situation which doesn't go their way as being "unfair". They are always nursing a grievance of some sort which they use to justify all their bad behavior. I don't see the change in CS as a motive as much as just one more perceived "injustice" in MR's eyes. The custody change, ER moving away and reuniting with her first husband, even the new house which MR brought up as something Dylan was "too tired" to discuss were all sore spots, all "unfair". Premeditation is possible, but I still tend to believe this could have been a spontaneous act of rage.

Something that just occurred to me is that MR brings up Dylan being "tired" almost as much as be mentions Dylan wanting to be with his friends, the lake, and the fishing pole. I think "tired" fits in somehow, but no idea how except that the repetition stands out.
All MOO

Or maybe he wanted to do something with Dylan that night but Dylan told him he was too tired?

The way I see it, MR blames ER for everything. If Dylan's was too tired to do something his first night, it's Mom's fault for letting him stay up til 4am the night before and probably in MR's mind a deliberate attempt by ER to stop them from doing something that first night. Dylan didn't have a jacket...again Mom's fault and in MR's mind another deliberate attempt by ER to stop them from doing something that first night. Everything is Mom's fault. You can see repetition in many of his statements.

Friends
Mom
Lake
Tired
Fishing pole

 

[eileenhawkeye]

The cases I've followed most closely here seem to have a couple of things in common - Lyric & Elizabeth, Jessica and Dylan are those I've followed most faithfully.

I think it starts out with the mystery; all of them seemed to disappear without a trace. Many others do too, but the second quality is what I think keeps my interest. The family, friends and media can be given full credit for that. In each case, the child/ren were made to "come to life" even for those who never met them. They all (to me) seemed like survivors - kids who were turning out to be great people in spite of early childhood problems. All of the pictures and anecdotes about them have made them feel like real kids who had promising futures, rather than just another story in the news. MOO

Hmmm, you see I feel like in most high-profile cases, I honestly don't know much about the victim at all. I feel like I get a very vague description of them. Like I will hear about what their hobbies were or some general personality trait, but never any stories to "tell" me how the victim fits that personality. If I were asked to describe Isabel, Jessica R, Kyron, Dylan, etc; I would have a hard time doing so. I feel like most of what I know about a victim is "He/She liked to (insert hobby here) and was very (insert personality trait here)".

 

[nikb]

He did not call her from the Marshals office.
He spoke to Elaine and said someting like maybe we should call the sheriff and she did. If i remember correctly he didnt notify the marshalls till 6 pm or so.

I thought (per the Dr. Phil show) that he texted it to her and not that he spoke with her? I keep wondering if that's why MR always says he "communicated" somethiing with/to people. That could be a call, a text, in person, etc. and maybe he thinks it sounds better than "I texted that I couldn't find Dylan."? I don't know.. just a thought. Maybe he just likes the word "communicated" but I've found it an odd word choice several times. That or "indicated." He didn't tell someone, speak to someone - he communicated to them, indicated to them...

I don't think he puts quite this much thought into it but it's occurred to me that maybe he says it this way knowing that it could be taken many ways, including that he called and talked to her when in fact he didn't.

Here's one quote from the transcript (thanks again TXJan!!)
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8937519&postcount=88"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CO CO - Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 *Media , Maps & Timelines*[/ame]

Below BBM:

MR: While I was at the Marshall’s Office I contacted Elaine and asked her specifically had she heard from him.

So he contacted her, but he doesn't say how.

ER: Monday the 19th Mark texted me and asked me if I had heard from Dylan.

Per ER, he texted her.

And in this additional transcript: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8937996&postcount=90"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CO CO - Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 *Media , Maps & Timelines*[/ame]

Dr. Phil: He goes missing and y’all trade text messages? What’s up with that?

ER: Well, that’s how he let me know that Dylan was missing through a text…

Dr. Phil: And what did you do when you got that text?

ER: I…. tried to call him directly thereafter, and then… umm … I texted him back!

Dr. Phil: And… you didn’t talk on the phone?

ER: No…he is not… he’s been very evasive. He umm spoke with our older son, right after it happened.

Dr. Phil: Did you stay after him until you talked to him?

ER: No. I didn’t. I mean, I texted him, umm… but, I didn’t continuously call him, and then after texting he blocked me from his phone, so I can’t even text him anymore.

Dr. Phil: So your son has been missing for three months …

ER: Yes…

Dr. Phil: …and his mother and father have not talked?

ER: Right…and I’ve asked him on …

Dr. Phil: That is beyond bizarre to me, I’m sorry. That is just…. I don’t care if you two had beat each other to a pulp,

ER: I agree.

Dr. Phil: ...called each other everything but decent… it wouldn’t matter to me if my son was missing, all bets are off …all peccadilloes are gone. I can’t imagine the two of you wouldn’t talk.

It still blows my mind that it appears they didn't speak at all until the Dr. Phil show. In fact it sounds like they barely texted, if MR blocked her from texting his phone so quickly. I'd love to read that they DID speak sooner, but so far I don't recall seeing anything saying that they did.

 

[nikb]

Right? If MR's ultimate plans are to keep or gain back ER then how is disappearing DR going to accomplish that UNLESS he is alive somewhere?

While I want to agree because it means Dylan's alive, per the quote I just posted from TXJan's transcript of the Dr. Phil show, he didn't answer when she called, blocked her texts, and hadn't spoken with her in 3 months (and I am guessing he probably hasn't 'communicated with' her since Dr. Phil either, but I don't know). Is refusing to communicate with her, and further blocking her from even getting in touch with him about their missing son, an effective way to get her back into his life? This is something that's really been bothering me because IMO it says that if he did in fact do something to Dylan and it was intended to impact ER in some way, the intent was to hurt her - not to get her back. I hate saying that.

 

[nikb]

He says he called ER from the Marshall's office. ER said we should call the Sheriff. But I personally think the Marshall's were probably closed. I think he was doing that thing that liars do. He might have actually gone to the Marshall's office and sat in his car, so he could say he was literally there. JMO

BBM - do you have a link to where it says he called her? I've been looking and looking but so far all I can find is that he texted her. I know he said "ER said we should call the Sheriff" which implies they talked, but I know a lot of people who use "said" for something said verbally or via a text.

As to the Marshall I agree with those who've said they're probably using the terms somewhat interchangeably. I also agree it's possible he didn't even actually go into the Marshall's office though - seems that would be easy enough to verify? I'd think they would document or report it somehow? Interesting side note for those who wonder if he reads here/knows what's being said here (or maybe he's getting it from FB?) - I also noticed on Dr. Phil he used the term "law enforcement" at least once, maybe twice - I think it was the first time I've heard him say it that way as opposed to police, marshall, etc.

 

[nikb]

(sorry for all the rapid fire posts I was putting them into Notepad as I went so I could read the thread before posting them and skip anything that was too redundant)

I find it disheartening that it was Elaine, MH, and CR that went door to door at midnight right in MR's neighborhood. Why didn't MR do that or go with? MOO

As I was looking back through the transcripts and such to refresh my memory about them not speaking at all since Dylan went missing, for some reason this hit me too. I knew MR reportedly hadn't searched, but if he was there at his house, how did he and ER not speak? Did ER go to his house to search but somehow not see or talk to him at all? Seems strange to me. Maybe it was intentional, maybe one or both of them knew better than to be in the same room together and someone kept them apart or they stayed in separate areas or something, but that just struck me as odd.

 

[SCHMAE]

I agree. IMO, the next time they question him, it should be done by a woman. Men intimidate MR, women he feels control over. JMHO

Someone posted a ways back how he was 'making eyes' and kind of flirty with MB. I need to go back and watch. I do recall how quiet and soft spoken he was in that interview and very many times making direct eye contact. Flirty? I'd have to watch again. But having a female detective talk to him might do wonders.......especially if she was really sympathetic.

 

[deoneta]

I've always wondered why MR didn't call 911 or at least the non emergency number of the Marshall's office. The telephone is obviously swifter than a truck. At first he says when he realized R and N hadn't heard from Dylan, it "hit" him that there was a problem. Later he says it "hit" him when he awoke from his 1/2/3 hour nap and realized he still hadn't heard from Dylan. Even after it "hit" him, he is still talking like he wanted the deputies to be on the lookout for a boy with a backpack and fishing pole and "knock" him upside the head and tell him to come on home. No hurry, no urgency. All MOO

 

[SCHMAE]

I've always wondered why MR didn't call 911 or at least the non emergency number of the Marshall's office. The telephone is obviously swifter than a truck. At first he says when he realized R and N hadn't heard from Dylan, it "hit" him that there was a problem. Later he says it "hit" him when he awoke from his 1/2/3 hour nap and realized he still hadn't heard from Dylan. Even after it "hit" him, he is still talking like he wanted the deputies to be on the lookout for a boy with a backpack and fishing pole and "knock" him upside the head and tell him to come on home. No hurry, no urgency. All MOO

Someone mentioned that 911 calls are taped and he might not want that. Also the whole ' marshall's office ' thing may play in . If the marshalls close at 5 , then maybe he thought he could put it off until morning if the office was closed, what can you do ? Of course if he's not guilty, then it means nothing. MOOOO

 

[nikb]

It could also be seen as a threat to ER. See Elaine, you can't hide anything from me.

That's definitely how I took it! Even a bit more threatening you can take out the "anything" IMO and think of it as "you can't hide from me." That was my first reaction.

Trying to give MR the benefit of the doubt (which is getting harder and harder for me to do), I can see how maybe he was using it as an example of the stupid, petty stuff they do to each other, keep from each other, etc. Even if that's the case I think it backfired though - your son is missing, it's time to focus on him, not that kind of garbage between you and the ex-wife.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I've always wondered why MR didn't call 911 or at least the non emergency number of the Marshall's office. The telephone is obviously swifter than a truck. At first he says when he realized R and N hadn't heard from Dylan, it "hit" him that there was a problem. Later he says it "hit" him when he awoke from his 1/2/3 hour nap and realized he still hadn't heard from Dylan. Even after it "hit" him, he is still talking like he wanted the deputies to be on the lookout for a boy with a backpack and fishing pole and "knock" him upside the head and tell him to come on home. No hurry, no urgency. All MOO

Just more repetitive words that I find disturbing.

Hit him
Knock him upside the head
Out like a light

 

[Dee10]

Something that just occurred to me is that MR brings up Dylan being "tired" almost as much as be mentions Dylan wanting to be with his friends, the lake, and the fishing pole. I think "tired" fits in somehow, but no idea how except that the repetition stands out.
All MOO

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I think the "tired" fit into explain the lack of texting. Didn't MR say in the beginning that when Dylan arrived he played football & basically passed out after? Nobody bought that & now there is a movie...

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I thought (per the Dr. Phil show) that he texted it to her and not that he spoke with her? I keep wondering if that's why MR always says he "communicated" somethiing with/to people. That could be a call, a text, in person, etc. and maybe he thinks it sounds better than "I texted that I couldn't find Dylan."? I don't know.. just a thought. Maybe he just likes the word "communicated" but I've found it an odd word choice several times. That or "indicated." He didn't tell someone, speak to someone - he communicated to them, indicated to them...

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I think his use of words such as 'indicated' and 'communicated' are a way of being evasive.

He did not call Elaine, he texted her. She has said this repeatedly.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Elaine also posted on FMDR that since the DP show that she has tried to contact MR to no avail.

 

[NC Analyzer]

While I want to agree because it means Dylan's alive, per the quote I just posted from TXJan's transcript of the Dr. Phil show, he didn't answer when she called, blocked her texts, and hadn't spoken with her in 3 months (and I am guessing he probably hasn't 'communicated with' her since Dr. Phil either, but I don't know). Is refusing to communicate with her, and further blocking her from even getting in touch with him about their missing son, an effective way to get her back into his life? This is something that's really been bothering me because IMO it says that if he did in fact do something to Dylan and it was intended to impact ER in some way, the intent was to hurt her - not to get her back. I hate saying that.

I have some presumptions about MR's intentions toward Elaine, but I don't think he actually believed he would be able to "get back together" with her, rather, it is more likely his male ego was part of the equation.
I can see him thinking that Elaine would come running to him when she realized Dylan was missing. She didn't. Not only that, she brought MH when she returned to Vallecito. I think he knew she was traveling with MH very early on, thus the blocked phone. I think this all enraged MR. I don't believe he was thinking about this as a "couple" reconciliation, but rather something that would bring her to him. She would be at his side. "They" would be together as parents. He could thumb his nose at MH, as in, ha ha, we are Dylan's parents, you aren't. Childish, but let's get real...MR has shown he is very childish. This was a game to him. Part of the winning would have been him being with Elaine with MH on the outside. "They" would be together in that sense. He would be in charge. He would be able to "comfort" her. When that didn't happen, I believe he went into rage overdrive. The man has serious power and control issues. After that was when we first started seeing the snarky, nasty, bad mom comments and insinuations. She wouldn't play his game. She kept MH close and didn't allow MR in her personal space. She sent him a message...."I am done with you, no matter what. I will deal with this situation with the man I love, not you." And he couldn't handle that.

 

[SCHMAE]

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I think his use of words such as 'indicated' and 'communicated' are a way of being evasive.

He did not call Elaine, he texted her. She has said this repeatedly.

He's definitely got a way with the language. He uses ' communicated' so often.... I wonder if he talks like that in his normal day. ' hey boss would you like to communicate to me where my route is today? ' ' let me communicate to the bar tender i'd like a beer' ...... Somehow I doubt it.

ETA, Just had a thought about all this ' communicated' speech of his. Maybe he's saying that because he cannot recall or does not want to SAY the difference in spoke to, called or texted. He could be aware of the hyper scrutiny he is under and thinks to himself " did i text or call? ' can't remember so I'll just say communicated which will get across the point and not stick me to ' text or call' since I cannot remember . If he says he texted someone , then later that other person says it was a phone call and hes' truly just forgotten which, maybe he thinks using the word ' communicated' keeps him out of the hot seat and accused of lying. Also it could be keeping extra scrutiny away .... for example why didn't you CALL DYLAN instead of TEXT when you realized he was missing? Communicated covers it all. Mooooo

 

[rebeccaeee]

Someone posted a ways back how he was 'making eyes' and kind of flirty with MB. I need to go back and watch. I do recall how quiet and soft spoken he was in that interview and very many times making direct eye contact. Flirty? I'd have to watch again. But having a female detective talk to him might do wonders.......especially if she was really sympathetic.

This is interesting, particularly the "men intimidate" vs "he can control women" angle that AZGrandma mentioned. I see MR as a good ole boy who is more likely to bond with men and look down on women. However, no males in his life are jumping to his defense. In fact, my working theory about the absolute silence from the male family member closest geographically is that they have their own suspicions about MR. (No proof or link, just MOO). Not sure about the famle detective bit-- he seems more confident of his charm around women so it couldn't hurt. Anyone want to bet tiny La Plata County doesn't even HAVE female detectives? I know there were some ladies working with FBI/CBI on the search of his house. Bring em back, give em a badge and a go at him.