CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #45

[SmoothOperator]

I don't think ER or CR got raked over anything. I took MR's accusations as deflection and I'm pretty sure no one took any of his accusations seriously. The only time ER was truly questioned was early on by Dr. P when she clarified to say Dylan didn't like going to MR's because MR didn't ever do anything with Dylan.

Above bbm..Exactly!.. MR's accusations are nothing but deflection and the vast majority do not at all take his accusations seriously..
Why is that??..why would an innocent, uninvolved parent.. a father whose son is missing...why would he be deflecting and hurling accusations THAT HE KNOWS ARE UNTRUE and are only being stated to deflect away from him?.. why?

I feel if the family didn't think MR was capable of doing something to harm Dylan they wouldn't want the focus to be on MR only. They would be begging LE to find the person who did this. Hated or not towards MR if they didn't truly think he did something they would want LE to stop focusing on MR MOO

I could not agree more and I just don't see how this issue is not noted by some?.. ER/CR are utterly devastated, even most who are firmly atop the fence WRT Mark's having any involvement, most have even remarked that the pain in especially Elaine is clearly apparent, visible, and undeniable... so, how exactly is it that ER/CR who are closest to Dylan, who are clearly broken beings at this point, distraught from Dylan's being taken from their lives, how is it even being questioned that there full&complete, only motive is anything other than to find Dylan. ..THIS IMO IS WITHOUT QUESTION..ELAINE AND CORY WANT NOTHING MORE THAN DYLAN...THIS IS THE ONLY TOP PRIORITY AND FOCUS!!

If either of these two were uncertain that the answer lied with Mark Redwine.. if they were uncertain IMO THERE WOULD BE FOCUS BEING DIRECTED IN OTHER AREAS, AVENUES, OR POSSIBILITIES... IMO THIS IS CLEAR.. IMO THIS IS AN ISSUE TO WHICH I HAVE NONE, ZERO, ZILCH DOUBT IN MY MIND.. WITHOUT QUESTION IF THESE TWO WERE EVEN THE LEAST BIT UNCERTAIN OF MARK'S INVOLVEMENT THEY WOULD ABSOLUTELY BEING FOCUSING ON THOSE OTHER POSSIBILITIES...

Their laser focus is because they are certain.. and IMO the fact that their focus is singular and laser is truly telling due to the fact that its without doubt that Elaine and Cory's ONLY PRIORITY IS FINDING DYLAN..if Possibilities existed in other areas or people IMO there's zero doubt these two would be head first diving straight toward those possibilities..if it was possible for Dylan to be missing by the hand of any other person than that of Mark Redwine, without doubt Elaine and Cory would be on them like white on rice...just like they are on Mark Redwine..

Mark Redwine does not matter.. is that not clear?..this woman had long since moved on with vast improvements to her and her son's lives..long since moved in the positive direction forward, away from Mark Redwine.. this woman had moved on in every single aspect of her life away from Mark Redwine..he does not matter.. and the ONLY REASON that Elaine is having to be in this position that she is in...the situation which she has unfortunately been forced to have to deal with a man she had worked hard to successfully and positively move her life forward and away from... she is now forced to have her life and now full attention given to a man who she worked hard to put in her past.. there is no way in hell this woman would deal with, much less focus one ounce of her time/attention toward this man UNLESS SHE WERE FORCED TO..

IMO I do not understand how this is in any way a question??
Elaine is undeniably a devastated, pain stricken mother who is broken with her son no longer being here.. Mark Redwine was not, and had not for a very long time been in Elaine's life ..she worked hard and had moved forward in every aspect AWAY FROM MARK REDWINE. and if there was any way in this world that she would be able to continue along that positive, forward path away from Mark she would..

There is only one reason that would force her to put all of her time and attention toward Mark Redwine and that is for Dylan.. if the answer to finding Dylan even possibly lied elsewhere without doubt she would be focusing her time/attention there.. IMO there is but only one reason that could force her to deal with this man..and that reason is her son Dylan, AND finding AND bringing him home.

Well, that was my first thought after seeing this on Dr.Phil and having no knowledge of the case prior. I just thought instantly of him maybe reaching into the lake to grab a fish or something and falling. I didn't get a vibe from the Dad that he was lying, I thought he seemed ashamed that Dylan disapeared while under his care and he was taking a verbal beating from the Mother. Anyway, I don't know what the motive would be. You don't just all of a sudden "snap" and kill your 13 year old. I mean, I'm sure it has happened, but the father didn't seem like he was suffering from some serious mental breakdown and if he was... would he really have the capability to cover it up this well? Transport and hide his son's body and throw it away? Think about it, parents who kill their own child in a "moment of anger" usually make up some kind of accident story. They can't throw their child's body away, they do what is easiest. There is always a motive, always, and I just don't see what it'd be.

As many before me have indicated there are countless examples of parents who kill their children and dispose of their bodies.. countless and WS is one of the top sources you can easily verify this fact.. decades worth and in fact in previous threads there have been linked cases documenting over 100+ parents who've killed their children..

Also in the numerous, 4 dozen previous threads of Dylan's there are very good motives that have been given, speculated, and theorized about as to why..tho, MOO is that the truth is there truly is no motive, EVER in any case, period that will even begin to make sense when speaking of MOTIVE for killing any child, much less one of your own flesh and blood..

True it is that there is indeed motive involved.. fact is IMO the motive doesn't even begin to explain, make sense, or is at all logical when speaking of the motive to kill one's child..

IMO the motive is crystal clear *if* Mark Redwine premeditated Dylan's being permanently removed from the situation..and again I'll reiterate *if* its premeditated the motive is clearly regarding the fact that his ex wife successfully moved on, along with extremely recently the courts ruling in Elaine's favor in finding it in Dylan's best interest to live full time with his mom, and his mom's fiance nearly 6 hours away..as well as the courts immediately cutoff the monthly payment Mark hadbeen receiving from Elaine due to her being the breadwinner btwn the two.. that abrubtly not only ended, but the court ordered that Mark REDWINE was to now pay Elaine child support monthly..

IMO THOSE ABOVE EXTREMELY RECENT ISSUES HAVE MOTIVE WRITTEN ALL OVER THEM *IF* HE PREMEDITATED REMOVING DYLAN FROM THE SITUATION PERMANENTLY.JMO.

**for any who may not be aware** My use of ALL CAPITALS is in place of my not being able to BOLD words for emphasis, focus, or for specificity ..

 

[katydid23]

Fair enough, perhaps I should have said her credibility towards MR is suspect to me. MR's credibility is suspect period. I get that.

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I just don't get that. She was a good friend of his for years. And she put her own life routine on hold to help find Dylan. I don't understand the negativity or suspicions towards her at all.

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She is not a random person inserting herself in the search process. She is a close friend of the family for decades, who loved Dylan, has a retail business where the locals congregate, and offered it up as a search headquarters.

She has done a whole lot more to try and find Dylan than Mark has done, imo.

 

[katydid23]

Above bbm..Exactly!.. MR's accusations are nothing but deflection and the vast majority do not at all take his accusations seriously..
Why is that??..why would an innocent, uninvolved parent.. a father whose son is missing...why would he be deflecting and hurling accusations THAT HE KNOWS ARE UNTRUE and are only being stated to deflect away from him?.. why?


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Mark Redwine does not matter.. is that not clear?..this woman had long since moved on with vast improvements to her and her son's lives..long since moved in the positive direction forward, away from Mark Redwine.. this woman had moved on in every single aspect of her life away from Mark Redwine..he does not matter.. and the ONLY REASON that Elaine is having to be in this position that she is in...the situation which she has unfortunately been forced to have to deal with a man she had worked hard to successfully and positively move her life forward and away from... she is now forced to have her life and now full attention given to a man who she worked hard to put in her past.. there is no way in hell this woman would deal with, much less focus one ounce of her time/attention toward this man UNLESS SHE WERE FORCED TO..



As many before me have indicated there are countless examples of parents who kill their children and dispose of their bodies.. countless and WS is one of the top sources you can easily verify this fact.. decades worth and in fact in previous threads there have been linked cases documenting over 100+ parents who've killed their children..

Also in the numerous, 4 dozen previous threads of Dylan's there are very good motives that have been given, speculated, and theorized about as to why..tho, MOO is that the truth is there truly is no motive, EVER in any case, period that will even begin to make sense when speaking of MOTIVE for killing any child, much less one of your own flesh and blood..


IMO THOSE ABOVE EXTREMELY RECENT ISSUES HAVE MOTIVE WRITTEN ALL OVER THEM *IF* HE PREMEDITATED REMOVING DYLAN FROM THE SITUATION PERMANENTLY.JMO.

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Just wanted to repost some of your wonderful thoughts. :goodpost:

 

[mijamawi]

I am not sure either. But I sure wish he would help me decide by taking another polygraph or answering some hard questions without the 'word salad' answers.

I agree except for the poly. I honestly don't believe his taking a poly is going to do anything for the investigation. It would just be more fodder for the FB pages....pass or fail.

 

[katydid23]

I agree except for the poly. I honestly don't believe his taking a poly is going to do anything for the investigation. It would just be more fodder for the FB pages....pass or fail.

But don't you think he could have handled the situation better? I would have much more respect for him if he had said from the start, something like, " My atty advised me not to take the lie detector test, but I will answer any questions on the show.'

But he lied, postponed, deflected, then went out and got drunk, and blamed everyone but himself. And then lied about the LE poly he previously took by saying the examiner was inept.

He did himself no favors with the awkward way he handled that.

 

[cluciano63]

I couldn't care less about whether or not he took the LD test on the DP show, but he made an unholy hash of it. Since he was already throwing blame on LE for giving him an "unqualified" examiner the first time around, he could, and should, have simply stated that polygraphs are not for him. Instead he pulled that ridiculous (Imo) stunt.

I am not a DP fan in particular and only watch the show when he features a criminal case or missing child, but I completely agree with his statement to MR that if he is not guilty or involved with Dylan's disappearance, then there is something wrong with him (paraphrasing) based on his behavior. I did not take that as a diagnosis, but a simple observation.

 

[mijamawi]

But don't you think he could have handled the situation better? I would have much more respect for him if he had said from the start, something like, " My atty advised me not to take the lie detector test, but I will answer any questions on the show.'

But he lied, postponed, deflected, then went out and got drunk, and blamed everyone but himself. And then lied about the LE poly he previously took by saying the examiner was inept.

He did himself no favors with the awkward way he handled that.

Absolutely, I agree 100%.

 

[MissJ]

I'm not convinced 100% of anything but, MR comes off as never fully answering a question or being straight forward about anything regarding his son being missing. He doesn't seem concerned at all.MOO. He seems to be very angry at ER for having moved on with her life. The women who know him and CR all seem to think he is capable of doing something. They know him well. MR was to start PAYING child support instead of receiving it. He doesn't seem like the kind of person who would take this well. His stories have not been consistent. He has hid his children in the past. I could go on and on. As always its JMO.

 

[beach]

BBM

This is confusing because this convo started because we DID compare the credibility of Denise and Mark. She said that those blankets were NOT on the couch previously and he staged the scene for the tv reporter. And you said you did not necessarily believe her. And I asked, WHY would she lie about a missing boy that she loves?

Comparing her to KKB is insulting. JMO

Of course it's about finding Dylan. I would think we ALL agree on that.

I'm posting from my phone so hard to bold ( at least for me ) - however, the part about the blankets attributed to Denise, can we link that up please? Was it in an interview or...? TIA

I've been so busy lately I am trying to catch up and get reacquainted with all the stuff I'm SO behind on.

 

[beach]

Ack! I HATE posting from my phone. Too darn hard to edit. Excuse the misspelling(s). lol

 

[MissJ]

This case has eerie similarities to the Skelton brothers case. Thanksgiving weekend, enforced visitation, a man who was controlling, etc. It has never been resolved. MOO

 

[katydid23]

I'm posting from my phone so hard to bold ( at least for me ) - however, the part about the blankets attributed to Denise, can we link that up please? Was it in an interview or...? TIA

I've been so busy lately I am trying to catch up and get reacquainted with all the stuff I'm SO behind on.

She said it on the official FMDR FB and MIGHT have also said it in msm, I will have to go look again. Others here remembered her comment though.

 

[Allusonz]

This exchange between MR and CR on the Dr. Phil show has given me pause and does not sit well with me for a number of reasons. My understanding is that CR had not been to his father's home in some time.


CR states that MR did not walk through the garage. How would he know?


He did not state "whenever I was there", or you "told us that you used the front door". He stated what MR did as if he was physically there.

CR:
When you go into your house the fishing pole is in the garage. You didn’t walk through the garage and into the house before you went into the house...


CR then goes on to say MR noticed the fishing pole before the bike and footprints.

This caught my attention as I had just assumed that the bike was kept outside in that spot. There was nothing stated by any person or via MSM to give me this impression till CR made a point of it. Now I must ask, was the bike in a different spot and/or moved? If it had been brought of the garage, who brought it out and when?

CR then states MR noticed the fishing pole missing before the bike and the footprints.

This tells me that indeed there were footprints. In order for CR to know there were footprints tells me that LE did more than just walk into MR's house the first night and look around. It tells me that LE probably did collect items, tested for fingerprints, DNA et al. It also tells me that they looked closely in the yard enough to find footprints of which they probably took casts and probably soil samples.


MR:
There’s several places that that fishing pole is… it was either next to the TV

CR:
It’s always in the garage. Then how come that’s the first …you noticed that before his bike? Before his footprints?

 

[katydid23]

Absolutely, I agree 100%.

Yes, we agree. Where was that 'pigsfly' icon? LOL :toast:

 

[catswhiskers]

From what i have read, they were very close friends for years, not just acquaintances. And she was his spokesperson on the first NG episodes. She relayed Marks version of events to the audience, from what he told her.

Yes, why would anyone lie? Good question indeed. And if I had to compare the credibility of the two, Mark or Denise, I would trust her above him.

And she did not 'insert' herself. She personally took on the intensive, time consuming tasks of organizing the searches and publicizing his disappearance.

It just amazes me that Mark gets the blind support that he does, even to the tune of questioning the credibility of someone who has done so much incredible work, and given her time and money and resources to finding Dylan. :waitasec:

I haven't seen anyone here defending what a great guy MR is - but have often read that those who are looking at scenarios which don't involve MR are his followers, supporters, groupies and even harem. I don't get why everything has to get so personalized?

I originally asked about how it came to be that DH was right inside MR's home, and apparently making observations that she would eventually share with all sorts of strangers on a public forum. I hadn't seen that she had a been a "great friend" or that she was speaking on MR's behalf anywhere for that matter.

I do recall that her store became a headquarters for the initial searches, fundraising and flyer distribution. Yes, she has done an enormous amount for Dylan, and she must be exhausted after all these months. It also seems she has been swept along in the snowball - I think DH's official fb page has done a wonderful job on Dylan's behalf, but it has also spawned and even encouraged other pages which have been very damaging IMO

 

[Allusonz]

I think that Dylan would have contacted his friends if he could. I believe that he may have had problems with his phone and that prevented his communication with his friends.

It's a rural area that may not have a lot of people traveling on the roads for extended periods of time. That would explain why no one saw Dylan hitchhiking on the road. MOO.

If we actually take what the people that know Dylan the best, they give us an answer.

Texting habits are different for every individual. What brought this point into focus for me with respect to Dylan's were the words of ER herself and his friends.

ER texts Dylan - states she was not alarmed that he had not replied not once but twice. ER did not find it unusual when he did not reply on the Sunday night or the Monday morning. There had to be a pattern here that did not sound the alarm for ER.

Dylan's friends - stated it was not unusual for Dylan to show up "unannounced" Once again they are reinforcing a texting habit of Dylan's and that was it was not unusual for him to reply to texts or even to tell them that he was on his way. His friends, out of everyone, should know whether this was out of character for Dylan. It did not alarm them.

MR - states he would try to stay in touch with Dylan weekly, but he did not always reply.

These statements show a pattern in Dylan's texting which did not alarm any of the individuals involved, including his mother and friends.

 

[katydid23]

I haven't seen anyone here defending what a great guy MR is - but have often read that those who are looking at scenarios which don't involve MR are his followers, supporters, groupies and even harem. I don't get why everything has to get so personalized?

I originally asked about how it came to be that DH was right inside MR's home, and apparently making observations that she would eventually share with all sorts of strangers on a public forum. I hadn't seen that she had a been a "great friend" or that she was speaking on MR's behalf anywhere for that matter.

I do recall that her store became a headquarters for the initial searches, fundraising and flyer distribution. Yes, she has done an enormous amount for Dylan, and she must be exhausted after all these months. It also seems she has been swept along in the snowball - I think DH's official fb page has done a wonderful job on Dylan's behalf, but it has also spawned and even encouraged other pages which have been very damaging IMO

I think the personalizing goes both ways. If we speak up about our suspicions we are often bashed for accusing a grieving parent and asked if we are going to feel guilty and ashamed if he is innocent.

Why shouldn't she share that observation? Wouldnt you? If you had been in his home, and saw the bare couch, and then later you see him on LIVE TV saying the couch STILL HAS the boy's blankets on there from his last night there...you wouldnt call him out on that lie?

And how is it her fault that offshoots from the FB were sometimes negative? Should she have NOT tried to publicize Dylans case?

 

[Allusonz]

I just don't get that. She was a good friend of his for years. And she put her own life routine on hold to help find Dylan. I don't understand the negativity or suspicions towards her at all.

You may say that you didn't compare her to KB, but it seems as though you did just that. And are doing so again. :smile: I do not get the comparison at all.

She is not a random person inserting herself in the search process. She is a close friend of the family for decades, who loved Dylan, has a retail business where the locals congregate, and offered it up as a search headquarters.

She has done a whole lot more to try and find Dylan than Mark has done, imo.

The times I have heard DH describe herself it was as a family friend.

I have never had the impression that she was a pal of MR, but she was good friends of ER. I think her posts on the Official page would confirm this to any individual that was new to the case.

MOO

 

[Ghostwheel]

This exchange between MR and CR on the Dr. Phil show has given me pause and does not sit well with me for a number of reasons. My understanding is that CR had not been to his father's home in some time.


CR states that MR did not walk through the garage. How would he know?


He did not state "whenever I was there", or you "told us that you used the front door". He stated what MR did as if he was physically there.

CR:
When you go into your house the fishing pole is in the garage. You didn’t walk through the garage and into the house before you went into the house...


CR then goes on to say MR noticed the fishing pole before the bike and footprints.

This caught my attention as I had just assumed that the bike was kept outside in that spot. There was nothing stated by any person or via MSM to give me this impression till CR made a point of it. Now I must ask, was the bike in a different spot and/or moved? If it had been brought of the garage, who brought it out and when?

CR then states MR noticed the fishing pole missing before the bike and the footprints.

This tells me that indeed there were footprints. In order for CR to know there were footprints tells me that LE did more than just walk into MR's house the first night and look around. It tells me that LE probably did collect items, tested for fingerprints, DNA et al. It also tells me that they looked closely in the yard enough to find footprints of which they probably took casts and probably soil samples.


MR:
There’s several places that that fishing pole is… it was either next to the TV

CR:
It’s always in the garage. Then how come that’s the first …you noticed that before his bike? Before his footprints?

No, this does not mean there were any footprints. LE has not reported any footprints. Elaine has stated they looked for footprints and didn't find any (it's back in the umpty doodle threads). It appears that Cory was stating that it made no sense that Mark noticed a missing fishing pole that Cory assumes was in the garage BEFORE Mark noticed IF the bike was missing or IF there were any footprints.

The problem is that there is part of probably many conversations between Cory and Mark that we are not privy to. If Mark originally told Cory that he walked in the front door and didn't see Dylan, then Cory saying "You didn't walk through the garage...." makes total sense.

 

[Allusonz]

Speaking of the lake, lets try the "choose the possibility" way of theorizing. THIS IS A "This might have happened." THOUGHT LIST.

When a body falls into a large body of water, it sinks. Then when it begins to decompose, it floats. Logic dictates:
If the water is cold enough, decomposition slows down, so a body might not float for several months.
The lake froze over, so if there was a body and it had not yet floated, it would still be down there. This could also be a surprise to the killer should it have been murder
Even if not weighted, if a body were down there, it could be caught on something.
If weighted, it would also stay down.

So, going from those points, if Dylan's body was in the lake, weighted down or possibly caught, he could have:
drowned (either in the lake or elsewhere) by someone and dropped in
been rendered unconscious and dropped in (then drowned as a result)
killed, then dropped in.
fallen in and drowned (while swimming fishing, hanging out, whatever)
fallen in, knocked unconscious and drowned (same as above)
hit their head on something hard enough to kill themselves and fallen in (same as above)

and is caught or still under the ice. Should there be a body and it is eventually found, I have considered the following:

If the backpack is weighted, I think it would not be misadventure but murder (I think no one thinks Dylan would kill himself?). But by whom?

If the backpack is not weighted, it could equally be misadventure or murder.

If the backpack is missing, I would tend toward murder, but it could still be either, being as the backpack might be elsewhere in the lake.

If the backpack is found elsewhere and Dylan is found in the lake, I would think murder, but it depends on how far away elsewhere.

What other reason can anyone come up with where Dylan would be found in the water?

What other scenario would point to Dylan being murdered or accidentally killing himself?

Yes I can.

He could of been hit by a car hard enough to toss him into the water.