CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #45

[catswhiskers]

Denise Hesse has stated that Mark only put that blanket out there on the couch for that TV interview. She said she was there many previous times and there was no bed made up on that couch at the time.

I wonder in what capacity did DH visit MR's home after Dylan's disappearance, and if she was a regular visitor beforehand?

 

[katydid23]

I agree that it's doubtful that Dylan would have went fishing alone on Monday morning when he wanted to meet up with his friends.

That's why I think that it's a more plausible scenario for him to do something, after he missed his ride with his dad, that he'd done in the past.

That would be to hitchhike his way to his destination.

MOO.

Then what happened to the fishing pole?

And why would he go hitching w/out contacting his waiting friends? He could have asked for a ride or at least told them he was heading down.

Why wouldn't he call his friend T in Vallecito and see if he was heading onto town that morning?

Why wouldnt he answer his Dad's calls/texts to check on what time his ride was coming?

Besides that--he slept in awhile, ate breakfast, watched cartoons. So it was probably only an hour or more until his ride returned. Why take the chance of an iffy ride in the cold, carrying ALL of your belongings, when your ride is close to returning?

That scenario just does not add up to me. I can't believe he would set out w/out contacting any of his friends or returning their texts at least.

 

[scorekeeper]

Thank you for that quote. That also doesn't say that the first thing that Mark noticed was missing was the fishing pole.

It only confirms what I've been saying, that being Mark mentioned that the fishing pole was missing.

Well, it seems to me he noticed the pole missing before he did Dylan and all his stuff.....MOO/JMO :seeya:

 

[katydid23]

I wonder in what capacity did DH visit MR's home after Dylan's disappearance, and if she was a regular visitor beforehand?

They were very close at first. She headed up the search parties. She was the spokesperson on NG, speaking for MR. And that long interview in the video store was filmed in HER video store, where the search hdqtrs were set up. She was HIS good friend for years. But as time went on, she became very suspicious of his actions.

 

[RANCH]

Then what happened to the fishing pole?

And why would he go hitching w/out contacting his waiting friends? He could have asked for a ride or at least told them he was heading down.

Why wouldn't he call his friend T in Vallecito and see if he was heading onto town that morning?

Why wouldnt he answer his Dad's calls/texts to check on what time his ride was coming?

Besides that--he slept in awhile, ate breakfast, watched cartoons. So it was probably only an hour or more until his ride returned. Why take the chance of an iffy ride in the cold, carrying ALL of your belongings, when your ride is close to returning?

That scenario just does not add up to me. I can't believe he would set out w/out contacting any of his friends or returning their texts at least.

I have posted a theory in the past that I believe addresses most of your questions but it wasn't well received.

Should I try it again?

 

[katydid23]

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Why would she lie? She was the head of all of the search parties. She has put way more effort and resources and time into this search process than MR has.

She gave over her video store as the Search Hdqrtrs and organized all of the volunteers. She set up the official FaceBook. She went on media interviews as the family spokesperson when MR declined. So I see her as very trustworthy in having Dylans BEST INTERESTS at heart.

 

[Emma Ems]

Hmm maybe CR saw that pole while they were searching and thought oh hey there's DR' pole and then was surpised to hear later that MR said DR"s pole was gone?
Another thing I've thought on the PHIL show when the exchange between MR and CR re : the pole, did anyone else feel that MR was going to keep talking but CR interrupted him? I can remember at the time I heard it the first time or ' fresh' that I thought maybe MR was going to say ' it was by the tv ..............where I set it out ESPECIALLY for this week so DR would not have to go dig it out of the garage' or something like that. It's not uncommon when you're having a visit to set out things you know you're likely to need during that visit so they're easy to get to if anyone needs them. Food for thought............ throwing MR a bone.........again. moooo


eta OOPS sorry Seajay , I see you wrote about the same thing re: the pole !

That's exactly what I noticed, that he was still talking and Cory interrupted him when he was trying to explain the deal with it. That's what really struck me odd. The interruption then the insistence on it's location. I didn't think I was imagining that interruption! I would have dug back for the transcripts because I don't think I could handle watching the whole show again, my opinion is that it was a complete trainwreck, for a second I thought I was watching Maury.

 

[katydid23]

I have posted a theory in the past that I believe addresses most of your questions but it wasn't well received.

Should I try it again?

Absolutely. Is it about a random abduction? Or a family friend?

 

[catswhiskers]

From "day one" seems to imply that Mark noticed that the fishing pole was missing on the first day that Dylan was missing.

That's completely different from "right off the bat" or "the very first thing" in my opinion.

Warning for those who would prefer to scroll by - I am about to relate what I would do if my sons weren't home, and I know some see that as totally irrelevant ...
I would check to see if their school bags were there (if it was afternoon on a school day) I would also check for bikes and scooters in case they had gone off for a ride around the block. I'd also be looking for their soccer balls, in case they had headed off to nearby playing fields for a kick around. If their schoolbags were missing I'd start to worry straight away about why they hadn't made it home. The other items would probably ease my mind a bit for a while.
I have found it believable that MR might have not have been worried initially because he knew of a couple of Dylan's favourite haunts nearby. At some point he may have noted the fishing pole wasn't where he expected it to be - again easing his mind that he was just off fishing for a while. To me the fact the Dylan even had his own pole at MR's suggests he had done some fishing there previously. IMO it's reasonable to think that MR may not have even gone looking for the backpack until a couple more hours had passed.
:moo:

 

[RANCH]

Well, it seems to me he noticed the pole missing before he did Dylan and all his stuff.....MOO/JMO :seeya:

Well, I'm not seeing it that way at all. I haven't seen in the media where Mark said that he noticed the fishing pole being missing before he noticed that Dylan and his stuff was gone.

 

[ColdHands]

Here is a link from the January press release. I believe you posted.

Dylan Redwine *Media , Maps & Timelines* - Page 5 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


Sorry about typo's my little boy is sick and laying on me.

1-24-13 was the last press release. Except for the statement on Dr. Phil

I was hoping you had something more current. It's hard to put much faith in LE's statements as time goes by - I assume they do things in between media releases/statements. I hope at any rate.

 

[Emma Ems]

The missing backpack with all of Dylan's possessions inside is what makes this theory very unlikely IMO

I haven't had a chance to go back and look, but a friend of mine pointed out that it looked like in the photos released from Walmart that Dylan carried his backpack with him into the store, said it was on them in the pic. If so it does make me wonder if Dylan was one of those kids who totes his backpack with him everywhere he goes.

 

[catswhiskers]

I'm sure that Mark is positive that the fishing pole is missing from his home.

The question is, when did it become missing?

IMO the pole could have been missing in action prior to the visit and just not noticed earlier. Or MR may have moved it into a more obvious spot in readiness for Dylan's visit. As I said in my last post - if it was "Dylan's pole" then he must have used it there on previous visits.
:moo:

 

[scorekeeper]

Well, I'm not seeing it that way at all. I haven't seen in the media where Mark said that he noticed the fishing pole being missing before he noticed that Dylan and his stuff was gone.

Do you remember when Mark realized Dylan's backpack was missing? I can't recall if it was before or after he reported him missing? Did he notice it gone before he set off to look for him?

TIA

 

[Ghostwheel]

Speaking of the lake, lets try the "choose the possibility" way of theorizing. THIS IS A "This might have happened." THOUGHT LIST.

When a body falls into a large body of water, it sinks. Then when it begins to decompose, it floats. Logic dictates:
If the water is cold enough, decomposition slows down, so a body might not float for several months.
The lake froze over, so if there was a body and it had not yet floated, it would still be down there. This could also be a surprise to the killer should it have been murder
Even if not weighted, if a body were down there, it could be caught on something.
If weighted, it would also stay down.

So, going from those points, if Dylan's body was in the lake, weighted down or possibly caught, he could have:
drowned (either in the lake or elsewhere) by someone and dropped in
been rendered unconscious and dropped in (then drowned as a result)
killed, then dropped in.
fallen in and drowned (while swimming fishing, hanging out, whatever)
fallen in, knocked unconscious and drowned (same as above)
hit their head on something hard enough to kill themselves and fallen in (same as above)

and is caught or still under the ice. Should there be a body and it is eventually found, I have considered the following:

If the backpack is weighted, I think it would not be misadventure but murder (I think no one thinks Dylan would kill himself?). But by whom?

If the backpack is not weighted, it could equally be misadventure or murder.

If the backpack is missing, I would tend toward murder, but it could still be either, being as the backpack might be elsewhere in the lake.

If the backpack is found elsewhere and Dylan is found in the lake, I would think murder, but it depends on how far away elsewhere.

What other reason can anyone come up with where Dylan would be found in the water?

What other scenario would point to Dylan being murdered or accidentally killing himself?

 

[RANCH]

Then what happened to the fishing pole?

And why would he go hitching w/out contacting his waiting friends? He could have asked for a ride or at least told them he was heading down.

Why wouldn't he call his friend T in Vallecito and see if he was heading onto town that morning?

Why wouldnt he answer his Dad's calls/texts to check on what time his ride was coming?

Besides that--he slept in awhile, ate breakfast, watched cartoons. So it was probably only an hour or more until his ride returned. Why take the chance of an iffy ride in the cold, carrying ALL of your belongings, when your ride is close to returning?

That scenario just does not add up to me. I can't believe he would set out w/out contacting any of his friends or returning their texts at least.

Ok, let me give it a try.

First thing, as far as I know the fishing pole could have been lost before Dylan even arrived to visit his dad.

Dylan could have left in the morning without contacting his friends because his phone was dead,he didn't know his friends numbers to use the landline and his dad's computer was locked and had no Wi-FI.

He didn't answer his dads calls or text's for the same reason, his phone was dead and he had already left the house.

He overslept, and then turned on the TV, ate some cereal and left the house to hook up with his friends. MOO.

 

[Ghostwheel]

I haven't had a chance to go back and look, but a friend of mine pointed out that it looked like in the photos released from Walmart that Dylan carried his backpack with him into the store, said it was on them in the pic. If so it does make me wonder if Dylan was one of those kids who totes his backpack with him everywhere he goes.

No, he did not appear to have his backpack on Walmart, but, of course, he did have it on at the airport. See pics at link.
http://kdvr.com/2012/12/04/new-photos-of-missing-teen-dylan-redwine-released/

 

[scorekeeper]

this is an article from 11/20/12

&#8220;Apparently he had a black Hurley backpack when he arrived, and the father stated it was not at the house,&#8221; Bender said.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121120/NEWS01/121129996/Police-search-for-teen-near-Vallecito

But not sure when Mark reported the backpack missing to LE.

 

[catswhiskers]

They were very close at first. She headed up the search parties. She was the spokesperson on NG, speaking for MR. And that long interview in the video store was filmed in HER video store, where the search hdqtrs were set up. She was HIS good friend for years. But as time went on, she became very suspicious of his actions.

Yes that is what I understood too at first. So MR obviously trusted her enough to allow her into his home. The poison from all of the very public falling outs and accusations from those closest to Dylan has spread far and wide now - it has just been a tragedy unfolding before us for weeks IMO. The worst part is that there have been no new real facts to substantiate what has been said publicly. I know many are proud of this snowball effect, but wow, what if it is all absolutely untrue? IMO that "what if" is still looming large, and all the drama, hurt and embarrassment obviously hasn't help locate Dylan

 

[deoneta]

Dr. Phil transcript:

MR:
When I got home, the TV was on and it was on to one of the Nickolodeon channels that he&#8217;s always watching. I didn&#8217;t notice his backpack not being there. There was a fishing pole at the house and it was Dylan&#8217;s fishing pole. That fishing pole was never found. I did lay down and take a nap for probably no more than an hour. I started looking for him at 2:30 or 3:00 in the afternoon. I contacted his friend that he had been texting the night before. They hadn&#8217;t heard from him all day, so that&#8217;s truly when it started to set in. Where&#8217;s Dylan?