CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #5

[kkdj]

BBM

and with his fishing pole

perhaps dad bought Dylan a fishing pole at Walmart when they stopped for groceries....:what:

Personally, I think it is still a keypoint of the investigation, but not because they think DR walked there or got lost there. I think they wonder if he was disposed of there. JMO

I think they are suspicious because Dad was pushing the fishing pole thing so hard.

Yep. That fishing pole story has always caught my attention.
So, if he isn't a runaway, didn't wander off and get lost, then where does that fishing pole fit in?

 

[Elley Mae]

I don't understand how LE is ruling out any situations, unless they know for sure that Dylan never left the house under his own power, or never got there. Not using his phone is not enough, IMO, to determine anything for sure.

I think that (LE) has homed in on something that belongs to Dylan at the house. It is possible his phone has been left behind but out of sight.

 

[AlexisFresca]

Do you mean Mickey Schunick????

Yes, Mickey Schunik! Thank you! Am so sorry for that!

 

[OneLove]

Hey Onelove...lay people like you and me have to link to this kind of information unless we are verified professionals. Please either find a link or state why this is your opinion.

Hmmmm, yes, I understand. This would be something of a sticky wicket, though, as this practice would be admitting that people are being misdiagnosed intentionally. I really don't think we're going to find much in the professional literature to officially verify that, lol. It used to bother me a great deal until I had enough friends in the profession explain to me that diagnosing a person bipolar rather than BPD was in the highest interests of the patient because they could then get therapy and needed meds whereas personality disorders did not qualify for insurance coverage.

While for obvious reasons, I cannot link a verifying source, I will say that this my "opinion" based on personal, in depth conversations I have had, usually in my own home with friends who hold/held these positions:

-- former Clinical Director of the public mental health facility in my community who now teaches at the university and supervises all the graduate clinical social workers doing internships in the field, friend of 30+ years, plus I had the extra special delight of being present at his son's birth as doula

-- a psychiatrist with a practice in a neighboring state that also teaches at a university, friend of 30+ years

-- oldest and dearest friend of 30+ years who is a psychologist in private practice in the state of Oregon. Her practice specializes in borderline personality disorder

-- friend's husband who is director of outpatient treatment center for mental health services, also supervises program for community job placement of patients with severe personality disorders and mental illnesses

-- younger friend and former fiancee of my son's who was clinical social worker at inpatient facility for adolescent girls with, you guessed it, borderline personality disorders, lol (now director of adult autism program)

-- younger friend (mid 30s) who was psychiatric social worker and RN in hospital unit treating mostly >>>>>>drum roll<<<<<< BPD when I first met her, moved to my state to direct clinical inpatient day school therapy program for children with mental illness/personality disorders and is now entering her final semester to become a certified psychiatric nurse practitioner and currently diagnoses and prescribes for patients with mental illness/personality disorders through her internship at local psychiatric hospital

Geee, I realize this looks like I am deeply enmeshed in this stuff, huh? But it's worse than all that. I also have several CLOSE family members who benefit from professionals in these fields as they carry their own diagnoses for bipolar type I with schitzo-affective, borderline personality disorder, and narcissistic personality disorder with 4 hospitalizations, 3 involuntary and 1 voluntary, and a hospitalization for a severe post-partum psychosis involving harm to infant, whereupon I moved to care for my grand baby for her first year of life.

So most of this information comes from personal conversation with close friends in the field sitting at my dining room table or on the patio in fair weather, and they have ALL stated that this practice is common among professionals. But I don't think we'll be seeing that anywhere in print. Patients with these symptoms need their medical care, as does society at large need them to have it, whether it is for mental illness OR personality disorder. What should it really matter if the behaviors and risks to themselves and others shake out to be the same either way?

On a positive note, yay! I've been told by my soon-to-be psychiatric nurse practitioner friend that PARENTAL ALIENATION is to be added to the new Diagnostic Symptom Manual and will therefore qualify for medical insurance coverage. That's something to celebrate!!!!!

(((Exhausted from typing and reliving memories)))))

 

[oceanblueeyes]

This has been mentioned many times. So I guess a plea to all readers and posters,,, has ANYONE seen EITHER parent plea to an ' abductor' to bring their son home safe ? I am unaware of any such language and if no one is begging their boy to be released, then does anyone believe he has been abducted?

I have heard them say they want him found and brought home.

I do think there is a very good possiblity that he has been abducted.

He was seen outside the day he went missing and we know he is prone to hitch-hiking so his close friends say. It isnt out of the realm of possibilities that the wrong person picked him up. Someone he thought he could trust but it did not turnout that way.

I did read an article about the vigil and it stated the community is fearful that someone has abducted Dylan...even his close friends have mentioned it, iirc.

And just look at how many attempted abductions we seem to read about on a weekly basis in our area news or in on line articles? More and more creeps are coming out of the woodwork.

imo

 

[Linda7NJ]

I have heard them say they want him found and brought home.

I do think there is a very good possiblity that he has been abducted.

He was seen outside the day he went missing and we know he is prone to hitch-hiking so his close friends say. It isnt out of the realm of possibilities that the wrong person picked him up. Someone he thought he could trust but it did not turnout that way.

I did read an article about the vigil and it stated the community is fearful that someone has abducted Dylan...even his close friends have mentioned it, iirc.

And just look at how many attempted abductions we seem to read about on a weekly basis in our area news or in on line articles? More and more creeps are coming out of the woodwork.

imo

I don't understand why neither parent isn't making a plea directly to an adductor.

Neither parent is begging him directly to return home.




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[vasportsmom]

I don't understand why neither parent isn't making a plea directly to an adductor.

Neither parent is begging him directly to return home.

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Neither parent believes he was abducted?


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[katydid23]

That may be true but I do think their own neighbor.. who has probably lived there for years when Dylan was growing up...... would know the difference between the two boys. They would probably know the other boy too since this is a close knit community.

Now if they just saw a photo or flyer of Dylan but had never seen him in real life before I could see how someone could get them mixed up.

We have kids around here that favor each other but I sure would know our neighbor's grandsons since I know them very well and have for years.

IMO

These sightings have been discounted. As of now, there have been no verified sightings of Dylan on that Monday.

Also, the latest statements by LE would seem to indicate that dad had not taken a polygraph yet. They said TODAY is his first in-depth interview with LE. Taking a poly is a very in-depth interview. So he has avoided it up until now. JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

This leads me to believe that MR has not submitted to any poly's; perhaps not even the 'official interview'. it would seem a poly would be quite an indepth interview. jmo

http://www.durangoherald.com/article...80%99s-house--

Investigators concluded their search of the home of Mark Redwine, father of 13-year-old Dylan Redwine, Thursday night after serving a search warrant in the morning.


Mark Redwine also agreed to give an official interview to the task force for the case &#8211; comprised of agents from the La Plata County Sheriff&#8217;s Office, Durango Police Department, Bayfield Marshals Office, FBI and Colorado Bureau of Investigation &#8211; after investigators asked if he would be willing to do an in-depth interview, said Lt. Ray Shupe, spokesman for the task force.

Redwine has given several cursory interviews in the past, but this was the first in-depth interview he has given, Shupe said. No attorney was present for the interview, and Shupe said Redwine has not retained an attorney.

An indepth interview means exactly what it states. A poly is not an indepth interview. An indepth interview is where he goes over what happened in more detail and signs his sworn statement making it official.

I have taken two polys for Federal government jobs in the past. These are just questions with responsive 'yes or no' answers. It does not take all that long to complete.

I have never seen it take 2.5 weeks before a poly is given in cases like this and especially to someone who has been totally cooperative since day one.

IMO

 

[TxLady2]

This leads me to believe that MR has not submitted to any poly's; perhaps not even the 'official interview'. it would seem a poly would be quite an indepth interview. jmo

http://www.durangoherald.com/article...80%99s-house--

Investigators concluded their search of the home of Mark Redwine, father of 13-year-old Dylan Redwine, Thursday night after serving a search warrant in the morning.


Mark Redwine also agreed to give an official interview to the task force for the case – comprised of agents from the La Plata County Sheriff’s Office, Durango Police Department, Bayfield Marshals Office, FBI and Colorado Bureau of Investigation – after investigators asked if he would be willing to do an in-depth interview, said Lt. Ray Shupe, spokesman for the task force.

Redwine has given several cursory interviews in the past, but this was the first in-depth interview he has given, Shupe said. No attorney was present for the interview, and Shupe said Redwine has not retained an attorney.

Actually, if the detectives are any good, an in-depth interview can be way more revealing than a polygraph. LDT's are general questions that can only be answered with a yes or a no, while an interview gives the detectives a chance to study the person's reactions, by watching their facial expressions and their body language, as well as listening to what they say and how they say it.

 

[tiredblondy]

I'll have to go find Sarx's replies in the last thread- Sarx said something about how the dogs were trained concerning amount of time MP had spent with an article;

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Thank you so much ! :seeya:

 

[scorekeeper]

But Elaine Redwine won&#8217;t hear of Dylan being a runaway

&#8220;Someone knows where he is,&#8221; she said.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121123/NEWS01/121129810/0/SEARCH/'He-would-have-called'

these are the first statements mom gave the durango hearald

 

[OtherEyes]

Mark Redwine also agreed to give an official interview to the task force for the case – comprised of agents from the La Plata County Sheriff’s Office, Durango Police Department, Bayfield Marshals Office, FBI and Colorado Bureau of Investigation – after investigators asked if he would be willing to do an in-depth interview, said Lt. Ray Shupe, spokesman for the task force.

Redwine has given several cursory interviews in the past, but this was the first in-depth interview he has given, Shupe said. No attorney was present for the interview, and Shupe said Redwine has not retained an attorney.

BBM

Wow...That would be so intimidating for anyone!! I can't imagine doing that with all those agencies and without an attorney no less.

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121130/NEWS01/121139996/Search-ends-at-teen%E2%80%99s-father%E2%80%99s-house--

 

[OneLove]

Hmmmm, yes, I understand. This would be something of a sticky wicket, though, as this practice would be admitting that people are being misdiagnosed intentionally. I really don't think we're going to find much in the professional literature to officially verify that, lol. It used to bother me a great deal until I had enough friends in the profession explain to me that diagnosing a person bipolar rather than BPD was in the highest interests of the patient because they could then get therapy and needed meds whereas personality disorders did not qualify for insurance coverage.

While for obvious reasons, I cannot link a verifying source, I will say that this my "opinion" based on personal, in depth conversations I have had, usually in my own home with friends who hold/held these positions:

-- former Clinical Director of the public mental health facility in my community who now teaches at the university and supervises all the graduate clinical social workers doing internships in the field, friend of 30+ years, plus I had the extra special delight of being present at his son's birth as doula

-- a psychiatrist with a practice in a neighboring state that also teaches at a university, friend of 30+ years

-- oldest and dearest friend of 30+ years who is a psychologist in private practice in the state of Oregon. Her practice specializes in borderline personality disorder

-- friend's husband who is director of outpatient treatment center for mental health services, also supervises program for community job placement of patients with severe personality disorders and mental illnesses

-- younger friend and former fiancee of my son's who was clinical social worker at inpatient facility for adolescent girls with, you guessed it, borderline personality disorders, lol (now director of adult autism program)

-- younger friend (mid 30s) who was psychiatric social worker and RN in hospital unit treating mostly >>>>>>drum roll<<<<<< BPD when I first met her, moved to my state to direct clinical inpatient day school therapy program for children with mental illness/personality disorders and is now entering her final semester to become a certified psychiatric nurse practitioner and currently diagnoses and prescribes for patients with mental illness/personality disorders through her internship at local psychiatric hospital

Geee, I realize this looks like I am deeply enmeshed in this stuff, huh? But it's worse than all that. I also have several CLOSE family members who benefit from professionals in these fields as they carry their own diagnoses for bipolar type I with schitzo-affective, borderline personality disorder, and narcissistic personality disorder with 4 hospitalizations, 3 involuntary and 1 voluntary, and a hospitalization for a severe post-partum psychosis involving harm to infant, whereupon I moved to care for my grand baby for her first year of life.

So most of this information comes from personal conversation with close friends in the field sitting at my dining room table or on the patio in fair weather, and they have ALL stated that this practice is common among professionals. But I don't think we'll be seeing that anywhere in print. Patients with these symptoms need their medical care, as does society at large need them to have it, whether it is for mental illness OR personality disorder. What should it really matter if the behaviors and risks to themselves and others shake out to be the same either way?

On a positive note, yay! I've been told by my soon-to-be psychiatric nurse practitioner friend that PARENTAL ALIENATION is to be added to the new Diagnostic Symptom Manual and will therefore qualify for medical insurance coverage. That's something to celebrate!!!!!

(((Exhausted from typing and reliving memories)))))

Sorry for the looong reporting here, but I forgot to begin this post with, at Kimsters request, the statement that "this is all my PERSONAL OPINION based on:"

 

[AlexisFresca]

Thanks, forgot that polys are a simple 'yes' or 'no'. I knew the difference between the official interview and cursory interview, just thrown of with the poly there for a sec.

 

[princesspjs]

Yep. That fishing pole story has always caught my attention.
So, if he isn't a runaway, didn't wander off and get lost, then where does that fishing pole fit in?

I have also thought that the dad was pushing the fishing pole. I can see it being used in one of two ways.

1. To steer the focus on waterways and fishing areas because Dylan was put into one of them and as the father, he wants his son to be found so he can have a proper burial.

2. To steer the focus on waterways and fishing areas because it is the exact opposite of where Dylan is now and if LE is looking at water areas, they won't be looking where Dylan really is.

IMO, JMO, MOO

 

[Ransom]

About the Reservoir: Would it have cameras? Our waterways do at certain points- but we have nuclear subs...

ETA: FYI
"Seven developed campgrounds are located on the Forest close to the reservoir, with many nearby private facilities, including the full-service community of Vallecito Lake on the west side. The east side is mainly undeveloped except for Forest Service campgrounds."

Read more: http://www.gorp.com/parks-guide/tra...-colorado-sidwcmdev_066029.html#ixzz2DkTHVrrn

* one of locals said the area is loaded with hunters right now

Huh?
Here's the Co hunting law, permits, etc. Durango is WEST of I-25, fwiw.
https://wildlife.state.co.us/Hunting/SeasonDatesAndFees/Pages/BigGameDatesAndFees.aspx

 

[OneLove]

But Elaine Redwine won&#8217;t hear of Dylan being a runaway

&#8220;Someone knows where he is,&#8221; she said.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121123/NEWS01/121129810/0/SEARCH/'He-would-have-called'

these are the first statements mom gave the durango hearald

Had the dogs already been there at the time of her statement?

 

[Linda7NJ]

I do not remember his Mom or brother speaking in past tense. When and where did this happen? Please share links!

It's shared already up thread

 

[tiredblondy]

I have wondered if something was put in Dylan's food or drink right after he was picked up at the airport. Maybe by the time they got home, he was woozy and went to bed and never woke up, hence the "out like a light". Just wondering, and I hope I am wrong. But if this did happen, wouldn't dogs pick up on a live Dylan never leaving the home? And the dogs did hit on the boat at the lake. And we have been told that in this weather, a body would not float to the top. Maybe the missing fishing pole kept being pointed to early on with the admonition to search that lake because a certain perp WANTED Dylan's body retrieved and presented as a " f u " to a certain other. Maybe he didn't know it would be so hard to retrieve a body from the lake. And that the "gone fishing, fell in lake" would be such a transparent unbelievable ploy.

I have also worried that the frownie face in Dylan's arrival text may have been due to his dad's possible state of inebriation and agitation rather than a simple "I'm not happy to be here" frown. I wish someone in the community or family would speak to whether MR was known to have mood-while-drinking issues.

"The dogs did hit on the boat at the lake?" Help, I have totally missed that... I thought the dogs hit at a lake but not hit on a specific boat that was at the lake??? Is that correct? Was it the dads boat?


I'm sorry guys I'm really trying to keep up here but if that's true I've totally missed it.