Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, Lorson Ranch, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *endangered* #17

[stattlich1]

I can’t get over how bizarre this part of TS’ statement is. She says that she knows who Gannon left with, despite the narrative that he apparently went to a friend’s house.

Then she talks about someone having sent this person, and alludes to perhaps knowing why.

I just wonder who she is shifting the blame to here. Is she mad at bio mom getting all the attention, and she’s trying to say that she sent someone to kidnap her son?

It’s just so weird. The whole statement is weird. And of course, law enforcement received this information from her, and didn’t put out a description.

Because that happens. Ever.

Last, from day one the Sheriff's office has known a description of the person/friend whom Gannon left with.

I explained to them and provided evidence. They had information about G having the key to go out the side gate. Last they have more in-depth details that go along with this pointing to who sent the person or why he may have come.

Exclusive: Gannon Stauch’s stepmother releases statement about boy’s disappearance

It appears she says Gannon left through the side gate with this person, who was 'sent' by someone else to get him.

So there "must" be video of that happening in front of the home, we just haven't seen it yet?

 

[stattlich1]

This!
What is she carrying into the house???
I cannot identify it, in early clips and final clips too?
What is it? Can anybody blow it up?

I'm late to the question here, and it may already be answered, but it appears to me she's carrying 4 flat boxes, likely to hauls stuff out.

Fabric/other material fibers, kitchen utensils, soil/dirt samples, clothing, bed clothes, tools, garage items, jewelry, shoes, electronics, fingerprints, dna, towels, toys, garbage bags.....?

 

[dkryder]

bbm

Motion Detection in video surveillance systems typically is based on image change. The video stream (of bits) is processed in near-real time ("near" because it takes time to process hundreds of thousands/more-likely millions of pixels) to detect change in pixels/blocks of pixels.

Older designs of "motion detection" might rely on using the signal from a passing infrared motion detection device, such as is commonly used with typical flood lights, to electronically control recording of an video image or to capture a single image (photograph).

Infrared detection is 'less reliable' as various factors affect it, such as ambient temperature, direct and reflected sunlight, humidity and area-of-change (how much of the monitored area changes temperature and by what degree)

Video-change "motion" detection is programmable in such that it is set to trigger when the image (all or select areas in advanced controllers) changes, regardless of temperature and direction of movement.

Yeah I have never heard the angle of movement theory before but have noted it for research because I have presently no idea if that is an aspect. I have always understood it to be pixel changes that happen regardless of motion angle but there's always a chance that newer systems have been refined in ways I'm not aware of.

 

[jillycat]

The neighbor's surveillance camera appears to be an xfinity-provided "xCam" model. It provides a 109° angle of view ("wide angle") and the image is 720p @ 30fps.

I assume it was installed to primarily monitor his own driveway. That the Stauch driveway appears in frame is a fortunate happenstance. It is possible the camera was aimed to also include the Stauch driveway but either way, that area of the image is lacking as compared to the majority of the image.

Wide angle lenses include more area in the image but lesser detail. Narrow angle lens include less area but more detail. This assumes the same resolution (in this case, 720 vertical pixels/'horizontal lines'.

The only way we could witness "greater clarity" is to view the video first-hand. What we have now is a recording of the video as played back on a large screen television. Blah.

Home owners may download their video files and I would expect LE in this case to have asked the neighbor (or obtained a warrant) for a copy of the file. I expect we'll never have access to that file.

Well yes, what the neighbor, AS, and police see has “greater clarity” because it’s the original source.

And if the video and additional footage is evidence of Gannon suffering in some way, we don’t need access. It’s not a spectator sport.

 

[stattlich1]

Something I'm still not understanding. SM goes to a lot of lengths to discuss a side gate which supposedly only Gannon has the key to. A gate Gannon was apparently regularly checking prior to going missing.

In the statement made by LS/TS relative to the gate, it has always been my belief, having just discussed the unloading in to the garage, the foot being cut, and then the bandaging that occurred at the car, that the garage door was open, and Gannon was checking the lock on the gate from the outside, from the driveway, right next to the garage door, NOT from the yard, inside.

She may have attempted several things here, 1. to establish the possession of the key, 2. to clarify Gannon's fingerprints on the gate, 3. to lend credence to the story that Gannon left through the side gate.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

This is Colorado, we’ll almost certainly have access to that file.

In the Watts case for instance, we had countless hours of audio and video.

That’s when all is said and done though, whenever the hell that is.

I would expect materials in this case to be released but there is a section of the code the defines material exempt from release:

...documents may then be released only by court order if the court finds as part of its order that the documents will not pose any threat to the safety or welfare of the victim or any other person whose identity may appear in the board's records, or violate any other privilege or confidentiality right

At the end of this case, if it is eventually determined SM is shown not to have been involved in GS' disappearance or abuse, etc., she may offer argument against releasing materials that mention name or show image (noting a back-to-the-camera interview). I doubt that argument would carry much weight but it is possible.

https://www.sos.state.co.us/pubs/info_center/files/CORA_Act.pdf

2016 Colorado Revised Statutes :: Title 24 - :: Government - State :: Administration :: Article 4.1 - :: Crime Victim Compensation and Victim and Witness Rights :: Part 1 - :: Crime Victim Compensation Act :: § 24-4.1-107.5. Confidentiality of materials - definitions

 

[Lambseatoats]

I am encouraged that CSI was back at the house after the sifting snow and grid search was ended. To me, that indicates that they found something out there that they want to link back to the house through trace evidence. For example a piece of clothing or a bag with some particulate matter that can be linked to the same particulate matter in a storage area of the house. That sort of evidence would provide a link and proof that a perpetrator or a victim (or both) was once at each of these locations. Along with possible video surveillance or cell phone data noting a vehicle or person moving within the searched areas, it becomes even stronger evidence. I can't wait to see what LE knows - I suspect it will be mindblowing in its detail. IMO
I missed some posts due to work yesterday, so forgive me if this has been already noted many times.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

This post is full of my train-of-thought speculation and commentary. I approach cases from as many angles as possible. I prefer not to make assumptions that lean only toward one possibility when information is lacking; and in this case, lacking is an understatement.

You may disagree with my opinions, that is fine. What I present below is based on the fact that LE has provided little to nothing in this case and I can not assume other 'facts' simply based on no-face interviews, seemingly-flawed characters, 'internets' gossips, locations of searches and what has occurred at the house (DA and crime lab visits). Almost four weeks has passed and no arrest. This gives me pause. If what many in this forum assume happened I expect by this time a certain someone would have been arrested and would have been faced with severe interrogation justifiably thrust upon an assumed-murderer. This case is not there.

Again: SPECULATION follows:

Re: SM's statement that GS "kept going to the side of the house" and "checking the gate": I assume she meant GS kept walking out of the garage while he was helping her "unload in the garage" after returning from the 4-hour shopping trip.

If GS returned in the truck (which I believe he did), I find that a plausible scenario. What I would find odd is the "kept going" part; why would GS have to check more than once that the gate was locked (assuming that is what he was doing). Thinking back to when I was a kid, having been given a charge of responsibility I remember I wanted to perform the responsibility repeatedly, simply to feel the thrill of it; 'little kid, big responsibility'. Therefore, I also find this aspect plausible.

Given that, I'm still at a loss as to how/when GS left the house and ended up as missing?

SM revealed in her statement that LE had been given a description of the "person/friend" with whom GS is alleged to have left. Again, it's plausible; it seems to support the "he went to a friend's house" reported early in the case. I assume the "friend" to be a male. I also would expect the "friend" to have been a child, GS's age/near. I also assume LE would not release a description of that friend because of his age.

That leads to this: was that "friend" interviewed? Did GS leave the friend's house after the visit but did not end up at his house? How far was the friend's house? Which direction? Did GS and the friend climb the Stauch backyard fence to go to the friend's house? Did GS go on an 'expedition' while walking to home? I do not assume he got lost because I do not think the friend's house would have been at such a distance that it would place GS near an area in which he could easily disappear... unless someone abducted him.

But now, we have the Crime Lab once again visiting the Stauch house. There is a brief video of a technician walking in to the house with a camera. This scrambles all of my "plausible" scenarios. If GS had left with a friend, what in the house would be of interest to LE beyond the typical investigative requirements of a 'missing child' case, such that it required (additional?) photo evidence this late in the process?

Regardless of the assumed status of SM's character, I've been sticking to an Occam's Razor approach and applying generous doses of reasonable doubt and sticking to simple interpretations.

Aspects of this case cause me to pause, rethink and realign my assumptions and opinions and at this time, I remain at 51/49. As time progresses, so shall that ratio.

We don't know what we don't know.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

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https://www.officer.com/investigations/forensics/article/12007096/casting-in-snow

Given what we've seen regarding the snow searches, I doubt the team was explicitly looking for tire tracks and/or footprints; shoveling, poking and sifting are destructive. I assume LE was searching for a specific item(s), with the second assumption being LE was searching for anything that would further this case.

 

[Honey_West]

Who's here for Gannon?!!

 

[ChuckMaureen]

Interesting. I always assumed she talked about the gate in order to explain how he may have left without being spotted.

Clearly, that scenario doesn’t hold water.

So she’s either trying to account for something else, or she’s a complete idiot who doesn’t understand that he still would have been spotted.

So I don’t know what to make of it either.

Different take might include: maybe SM was attempting to explain why GS may have been captured on video walking out of the garage and toward the side gate.

Whether I do or do not believe any of the above is not relevant to the point I'm making.

 

[Wishbone]

While waiting for more information to come to light I keep being drawn back to a statement made by Jackie Kirby, a spokeswoman for the Sheriff’s Office, early in the investigation. She says the video we have all viewed many times is “just one piece in a very, very, very large puzzle.” That emphasis on how complicated Gannon's disappearance is in the eyes of LE makes me stop and wonder what I have missed. If it's very very very complicated could that mean there's more going on than the general theory I had that Gannon was injured and then disposed of to hide the injury? IMO, that theory doesn't equate as very very very. It would seem there is more going on than that. Is there a different motive, are there more players involved than LS(and I believe she is deeply involved)? That's what this is saying to me. Add to that, the sifting, shovel, probing tool searches, horses and dogs, the returns to the house for evidence, all the agencies involved. and time elapsed in the investigation . All of it just seems like too much for my previous theory. Maybe I'm overthinking and reaching for lack of evidence? I'd like to just sit back and chill until more comes to light but patience isn't one of my virtues.

The disappearance of Gannon Stauch: A timeline of the case

 

[Kyte]

I am encouraged that CSI was back at the house after the sifting snow and grid search was ended. To me, that indicates that they found something out there that they want to link back to the house through trace evidence. For example a piece of clothing or a bag with some particulate matter that can be linked to the same particulate matter in a storage area of the house. That sort of evidence would provide a link and proof that a perpetrator or a victim (or both) was once at each of these locations. Along with possible video surveillance or cell phone data noting a vehicle or person moving within the searched areas, it becomes even stronger evidence. I can't wait to see what LE knows - I suspect it will be mindblowing in its detail. IMO
I missed some posts due to work yesterday, so forgive me if this has been already noted many times.

I agree with your thinking here. IMO - There seemed to be an air of despair yesterday after the release of landon's heart wrenching interview, but then with all the reports of the 'happenings' back at the house and in my view with the much longer than ususal update from the Sherrif's Office, it does (hopefully) look as if they have more evidence than we can imagine and I so hope they are also closer to finding Gannon's whereabouts.

 

[oviedo]

Interesting. I always assumed she talked about the gate in order to explain how he may have left without being spotted.

Clearly, that scenario doesn’t hold water.

So she’s either trying to account for something else, or she’s a complete idiot who doesn’t understand that he still would have been spotted.

So I don’t know what to make of it either.

I’m wondering if they haven’t found evidence of an “alibi notes” type document in the house (we’ve seen this in Jennifer’s case where the late FD and MT made notes of their “timeline”)
JMO

 

[NoeticSoul]

fwiw On Fox News 21 locally just now Dog The Bounty Hunter commented that in his experience if LE needed help in this case theyd be asking for it. He was confident that LE has it handled. eta good morning, here for Gannon as always.

 

[annekris]

I am encouraged that CSI was back at the house after the sifting snow and grid search was ended. To me, that indicates that they found something out there that they want to link back to the house through trace evidence. For example a piece of clothing or a bag with some particulate matter that can be linked to the same particulate matter in a storage area of the house. That sort of evidence would provide a link and proof that a perpetrator or a victim (or both) was once at each of these locations. Along with possible video surveillance or cell phone data noting a vehicle or person moving within the searched areas, it becomes even stronger evidence. I can't wait to see what LE knows - I suspect it will be mindblowing in its detail. IMO
I missed some posts due to work yesterday, so forgive me if this has been already noted many times.

Yes this is very telling, and while I respect all of the sleuthers who post alternative theories that might explain all of the inconsistencies and oddities in TS behavior, I think we will see her implicated very soon.

When you hear hooves it’s probably not a zebra.

MOO

 

[Kyte]

I’m wondering if they haven’t found evidence of an “alibi notes” type document in the house (we’ve seen this is Jennifer’s case where the late FD and MT made notes of their “timeline”)
JMO

JMO - What a great thought I am assuming that their trash bins would have been thoroughly gone through as they did with the snow!!!
And I believe TS just didn't comprehend how much time, effort & resources were going to be applied to finding Gannon. I believe she completely underestimated LE's total commitment to finding the truth!!

 

[Rosiebones]

I wonder if LE is building a case against an accomplice and is returning to the house and taking items to test for OTHER fingerprints and DNA. Looking for evidence of another person who may have been in and out of the house in days or months prior to his disappearance and it may be a male or female.

 

[Kiranerys]

BBM- Someone who doesn't have a poker face. I bet someone has a tell.

Yeah,her lips move

 

[ChuckMaureen]

Yeah I have never heard the angle of movement theory before but have noted it for research because I have presently no idea if that is an aspect. I have always understood it to be pixel changes that happen regardless of motion angle but there's always a chance that newer systems have been refined in ways I'm not aware of.

Angle has nothing explicitly to do with simple image (pixel)-change detection but it is possible to code routines (programming) to detect how an image changes. That includes locking on an object in motion and tracking how it moves, i.e., direction and speed. Luminosity and Chromaticity also could be included in detection algorithms to key in on specific objects.