VERDICT WATCH CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, found deceased, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #67
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I thought the most powerful example has been when Prosecution played the news video of Letecia being not insane while at the same time displaying pics of Gannon and his bedroom scene. Hearing her glib voice saying how good and kind Gannon was while Jurors know full well she brutally killed him. Very powerful. It won't take Jurors long at all to find her guilty and not insane.
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I wish they would shave her head before entering Prison. Just cause.
I wish they would shave her head before entering Prison. Just cause.
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Jury is back in court, defense has just rested its case.
Judge is now reviewing jury instructions, Stauch is still reading something on a laptop as Werner goes through the instructions.
Jury instructions complete, quick break and then we are moving on to closing arguments.
Prosecution closing argument underway, Dave Young will be presenting.
In a homicide case, "you spend a lot of time talking about the defendant… I want to come back to Gannon," Young states to start closings.
“We know his body was found in Florida, if it wasn’t found in Florida do you think we would be talking about insanity," Young said. "Think about the divine intervention of Gannon's body even being found.”
Young now showing the jury Gannon's autopsy diagram to the jury "because his injuries are relevant,” not just for charges but for her “state of mind" at the time she allegedly killed Gannon.
“It’s not psychotic, it’s strategic," Young said about the 18 stab wounds Gannon suffered at the hands of Stauch, allegedly.
“If you lose your temper, you don’t get to claim insanity,” Young said. “We’re humans, we have emotions.”
Young is now refrencing how none of Stauch's family, Harley Hunt, Al Stauch and Dakota Lowery, all testified that Stauch did not suffer from a severe mental illness "You think (they) wouldn't have noticed something," Young said.
Referencing**.
Young now referencing how the defense’s own witness, Dr. Ronda Niederhauser, testified that she didn’t think Stauch was suffering from any severe psychosis when they met in December 2019.
"What’s relevant about the first competency evaluation… is that they have a two week observation period,” Young said. “And she actually goes to (someone) and asks, can you tell when someone is faking it?”
Young also points to how despite claims that Stauch had had dissociative identity disorder "since a young age," she didn't bring it up when she was first arrested, nor during her competency evaluation in June, 2020.
Young also pointing out how in Stauch's second competency evaluation, when she first brought up having DID, that there were only four personalities, none of them were Maria Sanchez, which is the personality Stauch claims killed Gannon.
Young continues to point out how Stauch's story regarding her claim of having DID changed from evaluation to evaluation. "Is it just a coincidence she spoke with Dr. Lewis before all of this," Young asked, referencing Stauch's plea of NGBRI in Feb. 2022.
“Money is a strong motivator, having shows on HBO is a strong motivator, having your son film the interview… possibly for another documentary, that’s a strong motivator,” Young said referencing Dr. Lewis and her credibility.
Young while complaining about Lewis and how she answered questions and was late for court several times: "Talk about narcistic tendencies," Young said.
“She didn’t know the legal definition of insanity in Colorado ladies and gentlemen, I’m not even sure what her opinion is anymore,” Young said.
The prosecution just played the video from Jan. 26, 2020 where Gannon can be heard crying worrying about his burns. As the video played the word "Manipulation!!!" came on the screen in large white text.
Young is now walking through the actions of Stauch leading up to when the prosecution alleges she killed Gannon, asking the jury if they think she took those actions because she "knew what she was about to do.”
"It may not sound like rational thinking, but it's thinking, she's making decisions," Young said.
"How can she do that, how can she talk to Gannon’s father like nothing happened," Young said. "Is that a trait of antisocial personality disorder that she could be so cold, so callous.”
“Is that someone who doesn’t know right from wrong? Or someone who is trying to get away with something,” Young said referencing how Stauch allegedly went back to her car to check to make sure Gannon’s body was still there the day after she killed him.
The prosecution is playing Stauch's interview with KKTV from Jan. 31, 2020. While it's being played the prosecution is showing evidence over the video like the blood shown in Gannon's room and the suitcase found under the bridge in Florida.
Young said that there is a dramatic difference between people who are actually legally insane and Stauch:
“They aren’t going to hide the body.. Because they won’t know they did anything wrong,” Young said. “They also don’t lie, because they don’t realize they did anything wrong
“There's only one right verdict to this case, and that’s guilty to each and every charge she faces,” Young said to conclude the prosecution’s closing arguments.
Josh Tolini will be presenting closing arguments for the defense.
"The one thing they can not answer is motive," Tolini said to begin the defense's closing arguments. "This was a psychotic rage.”
“That is the only thing that makes sense,” Tolini said.
“Somehow that fire set up some type of trigger,” Tolini said, referencing the fire from Jan. 26, 2020. “When something seems irrational… you have to consider mental illness, you have to consider psychosis.”
“The brutality of the attack is the strongest evidence in this entire case of a psychotic break,” Tolini said.
“Here’s what Mr. Young is trying to do, he is trying to introduce antisocial personality disorder into this,” Tolini said, stating that there are only two possibilities to this case dissociative identity disorder or antisocial personality disorder.
Tolini added that Torres, the state hospital's psychologist, stated during her testimony determined Stauch does not have antisocial personality disorder.
Tolini also claims that Stauch not sleeping, which her phone shows evidence of due to the significant late night activity, points to Stauch being "manic" at this time period.
Currently, Tolini is arguing that Stauch's actions after killing Gannon actually point to her being irrational. "These are not the actions of a sane, rational person," Tolini said. "She is freaking out, and she is delusional.”
Tolini is currently attempting to build back up the credibility of his witness, Dr. Lewis, saying she is one of the most well-respected people in this field and her research has been “groundbreaking.”
Tolini says the things that Lewis didn’t remember or couldn’t recall on the stand were “minute” and just a result of her age. “Ms. Stauch in her (Lewis') opinion has dissociated the memory of the homicide, because she couldn’t deal with it.”
“None of the experts you have heard from think that there is no mental illness going on here,” Tolini said. Tolini is pointing out how Torres and others who testified diagnosed Stauch with borderline personality disorder and narcistic personality disorder.
“All of that (Stauch’s actions) points to mental illness, and in no way, shape or form have they (the prosecution) proved that,” Tolini said to end the defense’s closing arguments.
Taking a quick break before prosecution's rebuttal.
Judge is now reviewing jury instructions, Stauch is still reading something on a laptop as Werner goes through the instructions.
Jury instructions complete, quick break and then we are moving on to closing arguments.
Prosecution closing argument underway, Dave Young will be presenting.
In a homicide case, "you spend a lot of time talking about the defendant… I want to come back to Gannon," Young states to start closings.
“We know his body was found in Florida, if it wasn’t found in Florida do you think we would be talking about insanity," Young said. "Think about the divine intervention of Gannon's body even being found.”
Young now showing the jury Gannon's autopsy diagram to the jury "because his injuries are relevant,” not just for charges but for her “state of mind" at the time she allegedly killed Gannon.
“It’s not psychotic, it’s strategic," Young said about the 18 stab wounds Gannon suffered at the hands of Stauch, allegedly.
“If you lose your temper, you don’t get to claim insanity,” Young said. “We’re humans, we have emotions.”
Young is now refrencing how none of Stauch's family, Harley Hunt, Al Stauch and Dakota Lowery, all testified that Stauch did not suffer from a severe mental illness "You think (they) wouldn't have noticed something," Young said.
Referencing**.
Young now referencing how the defense’s own witness, Dr. Ronda Niederhauser, testified that she didn’t think Stauch was suffering from any severe psychosis when they met in December 2019.
"What’s relevant about the first competency evaluation… is that they have a two week observation period,” Young said. “And she actually goes to (someone) and asks, can you tell when someone is faking it?”
Young also points to how despite claims that Stauch had had dissociative identity disorder "since a young age," she didn't bring it up when she was first arrested, nor during her competency evaluation in June, 2020.
Young also pointing out how in Stauch's second competency evaluation, when she first brought up having DID, that there were only four personalities, none of them were Maria Sanchez, which is the personality Stauch claims killed Gannon.
Young continues to point out how Stauch's story regarding her claim of having DID changed from evaluation to evaluation. "Is it just a coincidence she spoke with Dr. Lewis before all of this," Young asked, referencing Stauch's plea of NGBRI in Feb. 2022.
“Money is a strong motivator, having shows on HBO is a strong motivator, having your son film the interview… possibly for another documentary, that’s a strong motivator,” Young said referencing Dr. Lewis and her credibility.
Young while complaining about Lewis and how she answered questions and was late for court several times: "Talk about narcistic tendencies," Young said.
“She didn’t know the legal definition of insanity in Colorado ladies and gentlemen, I’m not even sure what her opinion is anymore,” Young said.
The prosecution just played the video from Jan. 26, 2020 where Gannon can be heard crying worrying about his burns. As the video played the word "Manipulation!!!" came on the screen in large white text.
Young is now walking through the actions of Stauch leading up to when the prosecution alleges she killed Gannon, asking the jury if they think she took those actions because she "knew what she was about to do.”
"It may not sound like rational thinking, but it's thinking, she's making decisions," Young said.
"How can she do that, how can she talk to Gannon’s father like nothing happened," Young said. "Is that a trait of antisocial personality disorder that she could be so cold, so callous.”
“Is that someone who doesn’t know right from wrong? Or someone who is trying to get away with something,” Young said referencing how Stauch allegedly went back to her car to check to make sure Gannon’s body was still there the day after she killed him.
The prosecution is playing Stauch's interview with KKTV from Jan. 31, 2020. While it's being played the prosecution is showing evidence over the video like the blood shown in Gannon's room and the suitcase found under the bridge in Florida.
Young said that there is a dramatic difference between people who are actually legally insane and Stauch:
“They aren’t going to hide the body.. Because they won’t know they did anything wrong,” Young said. “They also don’t lie, because they don’t realize they did anything wrong
“There's only one right verdict to this case, and that’s guilty to each and every charge she faces,” Young said to conclude the prosecution’s closing arguments.
Josh Tolini will be presenting closing arguments for the defense.
"The one thing they can not answer is motive," Tolini said to begin the defense's closing arguments. "This was a psychotic rage.”
“That is the only thing that makes sense,” Tolini said.
“Somehow that fire set up some type of trigger,” Tolini said, referencing the fire from Jan. 26, 2020. “When something seems irrational… you have to consider mental illness, you have to consider psychosis.”
“The brutality of the attack is the strongest evidence in this entire case of a psychotic break,” Tolini said.
“Here’s what Mr. Young is trying to do, he is trying to introduce antisocial personality disorder into this,” Tolini said, stating that there are only two possibilities to this case dissociative identity disorder or antisocial personality disorder.
Tolini added that Torres, the state hospital's psychologist, stated during her testimony determined Stauch does not have antisocial personality disorder.
Tolini also claims that Stauch not sleeping, which her phone shows evidence of due to the significant late night activity, points to Stauch being "manic" at this time period.
Currently, Tolini is arguing that Stauch's actions after killing Gannon actually point to her being irrational. "These are not the actions of a sane, rational person," Tolini said. "She is freaking out, and she is delusional.”
Tolini is currently attempting to build back up the credibility of his witness, Dr. Lewis, saying she is one of the most well-respected people in this field and her research has been “groundbreaking.”
Tolini says the things that Lewis didn’t remember or couldn’t recall on the stand were “minute” and just a result of her age. “Ms. Stauch in her (Lewis') opinion has dissociated the memory of the homicide, because she couldn’t deal with it.”
“None of the experts you have heard from think that there is no mental illness going on here,” Tolini said. Tolini is pointing out how Torres and others who testified diagnosed Stauch with borderline personality disorder and narcistic personality disorder.
“All of that (Stauch’s actions) points to mental illness, and in no way, shape or form have they (the prosecution) proved that,” Tolini said to end the defense’s closing arguments.
Taking a quick break before prosecution's rebuttal.
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Rebuttal beginning, presented by Mr Allen.
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Plus, people with mental illness or neurodivergent are more likely to be victims of crime.
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That was a lousy 30 minutes.
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Allen added that there is motive "She hated Gannon," Allen said.
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"We don't have to prove motive, but we did anyway." - Mr Allan, rebutting Mr Tolini's argument that LS must have been insane because the crime had no motive.
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“She doesn’t have psychosis,” Allen said. “He (Al Stauch) couldn't’ see into her heart, the hatred she had for Gannon… He didn’t know.”
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Allen says "it's not psychosis it's all about Leteica." Allen calls it acting when she appears to be "freaked out"
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The Prosecution is now to exercise their right for a Closing Rebuttal.
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