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JH: "I don't have relationships with people. People have relationships with me".

What does that even mean?! I wish I was smarter!


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Cathy ‏@courtchatter · 1m1 minute ago
Background on Dr. Lynn Fenton: By July 29, 2012 her background info on CU's site had been deleted. #theatershooting

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CMooreNews ‏@CMooreNewsNow · 1m1 minute ago
"I don't have relationships with people, they have realtionships with me," #theatershooting witness read a quote from prev. interview

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 2m2 minutes ago
#theatershooting

Issues in life:

- Relationship prob. (Dumped 2 wks before)
- Anxiety around people. Talked briefly about

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 58s58 seconds ago
#theatershooting

- at 10 got glasses & wanted to overcome biology
- Has had patients who have had homicidal though
 
What was the date of Dr. Fenton's first actual interview with JH?? April? May?

Never mind...March :drumroll:
 
The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Homicidal though don’t mean you will go kill. Fenton tries to understand if they have a plan - taking steps for action
Also if homicidal thoughts are directed at any targets. JH said No to both-----
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CMooreNews ‏@CMooreNewsNow · 35s36 seconds ago
"You can't kill everyone, so its not an effective solution." #theatershooting Psychiatrist read another quote from shooter about homicide

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Cathy ‏@courtchatter · 36s37 seconds ago
Fenton asked JH if his homicidal thoughts were directed at anyone specific, any targets. He said no. (Yeah, just random #theatershooting

---Anica Padilla ‏@AnicaPadilla · 1m1 minute ago
#TheaterShooting gunman said, "I don't have relationships with people, they have relationships with me," Dr. Lynne Fenton testified

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 2m2 minutes ago
#theatershooting

JH said he His OCD symptoms were worst they had been & solution to “biological problem” - eliminate problem - homicide
JH said you can’t kill everyone.
Fenton said that dismissed the probability he was serious
Fenton - nothing he said made her think he would kill. No signs.

Meds:

- JH open to medications
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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Meds:

Zoloft - anti-depressant (Saw no signs of depression; a little sad b/c of break up)
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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Zoloft also good for anxiety/social anxiety/OCD

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Fenton starts at low dose to be sure patient can tolerate

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Determine by side effects if med will be ok
 
The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Colnazepam - same category as Valium - ant-anxiety

Use it b/c it would take weeks for Zoloft to kick in. Clon. works imm

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CMooreNews ‏@CMooreNewsNow · 1m1 minute ago
Psychiatrist suspected shooter might have personality disorder on #theatershooting trial stand

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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 58s59 seconds ago
Fenton wanted to give JH an anti psychotic drug #theatershooting #theatertrial

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Anti-psychotic was in her mind as meds due to odd statements; glasses and fixing biology. Maybe personality disorder

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Didn’t discuss this at 1st meeting

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

JH never talked about human capitol, increasing def worth by murdering

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 52s53 seconds ago
#theatershooting
Fenton wanted to see how meds working at next appt & didn’t understand about homicidal thoughts

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 40s40 seconds ago
#theatershooting

Saw JH again 3/27/2012. Good sign he was engaging treatment

---The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 48s49 seconds ago
#theatershooting

Fenton thought that the homicidal thoughts were there for many months maybe years

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 45s45 seconds ago
#theatershooting

JH said OCD were unchanged. Anxiety the same. Clonazepam for labs and din’t help anxiety/sleepy/hard to remember things

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Changed him to another med for social anxiety

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

No other changes made. Jh never said he was manic or shows signs of such

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Next appt : 1 week later
Med check again.

----Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 2m2 minutes ago
JH didn't describe a feeling of mania or human capital thinking #theatershooting #theatertrial


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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Next meeting:

Meds working - less anxious
- problems remembering things

Fenton recommended lowering dose

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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 57s57 seconds ago
JH said meds interfered with his memory so Fenton lowered the dose. JH said he felt tired a lot #theatershooting #theatertrial

----The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

JH said he was sleeping a lot. Could be Zoloft

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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 40s41 seconds ago
JH didn't discuss wanting to murder people with Fenton at this point. JH sleeping a lot is opposite of mania #theatershooting #theatertrial

--------------------------------------CMooreNews ‏@CMooreNewsNow · 2m2 minutes ago
Shooter goes to followup apptmts about medicine with #theatershooting witness Psychiatrist. She think its a good sign

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 51s52 seconds ago
#theatershooting

4th appointment 4/17/2012

- Med recheck
- Wanted to spend time to understand symptoms
 
Propranolol is a beta blocker (Inderal) used to treat tremors, angina, high blood pressure and other heart conditions..but often used in treatment or prevention of many disorders >
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A widely used non-cardioselective beta-adrenergic antagonist. Propranolol is used in the treatment or prevention of many disorders including acute myocardial infarction, arrhythmias, angina pectoris, hypertension, hypertensive emergencies, hyperthyroidism, migraine, pheochromocytoma, menopause, and anxiety. [PubChem] (BBM)
 
Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 41s42 seconds ago
JH didn't feel depressed or suicidal #theatershooting #theatertrial

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 33s34 seconds ago
#theatershooting

- JH said he was not suicidal, mood was fine.
Homicidal thoughts: JH doesn’t answer much at all.

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CMooreNews ‏@CMooreNewsNow · 41s42 seconds ago
These appts in March & April 2012. Made #theatershooting Psychiatrist think it was good sign he was engaging treatment.

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 29s30 seconds ago
#theatershooting

Fenton - Broke up w. GF a week ago, Doing OK increase in obsessive thoughts. Said increase - obsessive though of women

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 49s49 seconds ago
#theatershooting

Obsessive Thoughts:

1. Men
2. Women
3. Everyone

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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 40s40 seconds ago
Fenton addressed the homicidal thoughts...JH was upset about break up w/ GF & his obsessive thought increased about women. #theatershooting

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Jeffrey Evan Gold ‏@jeffgoldesq · 45s46 seconds ago
Suit again CU & Dr Fenton by #Theatershooting victims is fueled by the fact that she knew JH had homicidal ideations but never called police

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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 37s38 seconds ago
JH quit being forthcoming about his issues with Fenton #theatershooting #theatertrial

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting
JH would have not answered if Fenton asked head on for answer
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----The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 52s52 seconds ago
#theatershooting

No indication on 4/17 he was taking steps to kill. Talks about purpose of life stuff

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CMooreNews ‏@CMooreNewsNow · 1m1 minute ago
Shooter broke up w/GF doing ok but increase in obsessive thoughts. #theatershooting Psychiatrist thought he would drop out of treatment

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 59s60 seconds ago
#theatershooting

JH angrily asking why Fenton wouldn’t tell him her philosophy of life was. Says he told her all his ideas

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Cathy ‏@courtchatter · 1m1 minute ago
Fenton Background: Jonathan Blunk's widow sues Fenton and CU. Read lawsuit here dated 1/14/13: http://www.courtchatter.com/#!james-holmes-trial-archive/c1xzs … #theatershooting

---------Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 1m1 minute ago
JH wanted to know Fentons philosophy on life since he told her his #Theatershooting #theatertrial

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 2m2 minutes ago
#theatershooting

Relationship with JH - Tentative. Worried he may drop out of tx at anytime

Still 4/17 - No more imminent threat to people.
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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 47s47 seconds ago
#theatershooting

Fenton - JH had psychotic level thinking. Thoughts not based on reality. A “few, select” statements
 
The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 49s49 seconds ago
#theatershooting

- JH demanding to know her philosophy of life. Didn’t know what he meant

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

- Didn’t understand much at all about homicidal ideations

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Jeffrey Evan Gold ‏@jeffgoldesq · 56s56 seconds ago
Dr Fenton testimony must be seen within prism of pending civil litigation outside the #Theatershooting trial
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---The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

-Meds were increased

Zoloft (50-100 mg increase at prior appt

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

JH never said anything or showed manic symptoms. Slept a lot. Opposite of mania

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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 1m1 minute ago
Fenton increased JH's Zoloft to 100mg it was on road to therapeutic dose. JH complained of sleeping to much. #theatershooting #theatertrial

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Zoloft up to 150 mg.
Fenton try to keep alliance with JH to keep him coming back for more homicidal thought investigation

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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 56s56 seconds ago
Fenton discussed upping dose to 150mg on the Zoloft #theatershooting #theatertrial

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 46s47 seconds ago
#theatershooting

Fenton discussed another med - antipsychotic/anxiety with JH. He was worried it would be too sedating and declined it
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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 57s58 seconds ago
JH declined some meds because he felt they were to sedating #theatershooting #theatertrial

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 54s55 seconds ago
#theatershooting

Next appt : 5/1/2012
 
She offered JH a different medication. An anti-psychotic/anxiety med. I wonder if he wouldn't have done the shooting if he had accepted this one.


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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 54s54 seconds ago
#theatershooting

Between appts, Fenton wrote wrong last name on script. Used “Hughes” instead of his last name

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CMooreNews ‏@CMooreNewsNow · 35s35 seconds ago
"I wrote the wrong last name on the prescription" She gave it to shooter, he replied with "an inconvience Fenton" on #theatershooting stand

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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 1m1 minute ago
A script Fenton wrote for JH she accidentally wrote wrong last name on it #theatershooting #theatertrial

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

JH emailed Fenton. “An inconvenience, Fenton” Also had emoticon in subj line

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 47s48 seconds ago
#theatershooting

Fenton felt bad about mistake and apologizes - offers to call in correctly. She does

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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 34s35 seconds ago
Fenton felt terrible for the mistake and apologized #theatershooting #theatertrial

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 48s49 seconds ago
#theatershooting

Next appt - 5/1/2012

- Fenton asked about symbol in email. JH said it was fists and him punching her in the eye

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Jeffrey Evan Gold ‏@jeffgoldesq · 30s31 seconds ago
Dr Fenton treated mass homicidal ideations of JH in #theatershooting with drugs you give for mild axienty/deprerssion . #WTH

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 56s56 seconds ago
#theatershooting

Took several min for Fenton to get it out of JH about the symbol in the subject line
JH said it was dumb. “Violence - is that what you need to hear?"
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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 59s59 seconds ago
JH had an emoji on email that showed fists and represented him punching Fenton in the eye #theatershooting #theatertrial

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CMooreNews ‏@CMooreNewsNow · 1m1 minute ago
An emoticon shooter sent to #theatershooting Psychiatrist he explained it was fists, punching her in the eye. "Violence" he said

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 Denver, CO
Dr. Lynne Fenton on stand in #theatershooting trial. Says she prescribed: zoloff, klonopin & propanolol. Latest: @CBSDenver at noon

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 58s59 seconds ago
#theatershooting

At appt. Fenton asked how he was & he said “good” - Didn’t think good to Fenton as he was doing better. Just response to?

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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 56s57 seconds ago
JH told Fenton he was doing good at his appointment. They discussed the emoji #theatershooting #theatertrial

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 40s41 seconds ago
#theatershooting

Talked about ex-GF. JH said she texted him again. She’s going through 5 stages of grief and depressed

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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 49s49 seconds ago
JH said his ex GF texted him and was going through 5 stages of grief and depression #theatershooting #theatertrial
 
Is it just me or did JH smile when Lynne Fenton talked about his emoticon that showed him punching her?!


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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Talked about ex-GF. JH said she texted him again. She’s going through 5 stages of grief and depressed.
Said he texted to her the thorn in his side was worth the rose.

JH said he was with another girl & it’s dangerous b/c she’s in neuro class and there’s only 6 of them
 
JH said he was with another girl & it’s dangerous b/c she’s in neuro class and there’s only 6 of them
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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 59s59 seconds ago
#theatershooting

Fenton didn’t explore “dangerous” comment. Thought it was regarding small class size

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

JH said he had multiple GF’s - last 4 mo and would stop talking to them

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 58s58 seconds ago
#theatershooting

JH said in lab experiment not working so “make up some ********

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 58s58 seconds ago
#theatershooting

JH said in lab experiment not working so “make up some ********

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CMooreNews ‏@CMooreNewsNow · 1m1 minute ago
Talked about ex-GF.Shooter said she texted him again & going through 5 stages of grief. She's depressed shooter said to #theatershooting Dr

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CMooreNews ‏@CMooreNewsNow · 1m1 minute ago
Talked about ex-GF.Shooter said she texted him again & going through 5 stages of grief. She's depressed shooter said to #theatershooting Dr
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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 56s57 seconds ago
JH doesn't discuss his murder plans. He says he's not depressed or suicidal #theatershooting #theatertrial
 
There seems to be a lot where Lynne Fenton assumed what JH meant rather than asking him to explain further.


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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

At this time, Fenton thought relationship was tentative. She asks jH if another psych came in to meet with them

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 54s55 seconds ago
#theatershooting

For 2nd opinion. Dr Feinstein called in

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Cathy ‏@courtchatter · 52s52 seconds ago
Fenton wanted JH to see Dr. Feinstein for a 2nd opinion and though a male would be better for him than a female (her) #theatershooting

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CMooreNews ‏@CMooreNewsNow · 1m1 minute ago
After breakup, #theatershooting Dr. was told by shooter he is "with a new girl now

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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 1m1 minute ago
Fenton wants another psychiatrist 2 come in & help analyze JH. Fen thought maybe a man Dr would make him more comfortable #theatershooting

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Fenton thought JH didn’t seem comfortable b/c she was female. JH @ 1st said “to lock him up” when Feinstein mentioned

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Cathy ‏@courtchatter · 2m2 minutes ago
JH responded to bringing in Dr. Feinstein, "It will be to lock me up." This was May 1, 2012. #theatershooting

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Fenton offered JH to see her in between last appt and seeing Feinstein. JH responded to just refill prescription
 
CMooreNews ‏@CMooreNewsNow · 1m1 minute ago
Shooter responded to bringing in Dr. Feinstein, "It will be to lock me up." This was May 1, 2012 in #theatershooting trial.

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 51s51 seconds ago
#theatershooting

At this point, still 150 mg on Zoloft

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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 1m1 minute ago
JH was on 150mg of Zoloft. No issues from JH about feeling any mania #theatershooting #theatertrial

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

JH made statements about Fenton crinkling her nose. “You do certain things like crinkle your nose - means dislike

“You have an unconscious and that makes you do things” regarding the medication mixup
-----The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 44s45 seconds ago
#theatershooting

JH said ‘You see it in utilitarian way. You’d want to eliminate that, you’d have to see it that way” F didn’t understand

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Anica Padilla ‏@AnicaPadilla · 1m1 minute ago
Dr. Fenton: "He said, regarding me, 'You do certain things, like crinkle your nose, which means dislike.'" #theatershooting

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 46s46 seconds ago
#theatershooting

JH always prompt, dressed the same, for apps.

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

With Feinstein and Fenton, they agreed Feinstein would lead interview.

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 54s54 seconds ago
#theatershooting

Wanted to see if JH would do better with male. Fenton more of observer.

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The Gold Patrol ® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 38s38 seconds ago
#theatershooting

During session, JH tells Feinstein that he told GF he hates them after breakups. “Sheepople

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Diablo definition means DEVIL!!! Playing Diablo 3 over 100 hours in past few weeks...Yikes!! JH was a very Angry man!!
 
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