CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #13

[mck16]

Been discussed repeatedly, LE cleared him of a connection almost immediately.

So, what is the link clearing him? tia

 

[izzyblizzy]

If she was not intercepted on a driveable street, and instead within the park or open space area, then I don't see her being chloroformed, bc that would make it more difficult and suspicious to the people around (a man carrying a sleepy girl)...so, this makes me think that IF she was intercepted in one of the open space or park areas, then she must have been coerced via gunpoint and led towards a vehicle...OR misled otherwise willingly, but unknowingly, bless her sweet heart (security guard cop uniform? puppy theory?)
back to square one.

(just brainstorming out loud)

I have also thought about the newly released case they want us to focus on (22 year old jogger at Ketner reservoir open space). What was he going to do once he knocked her out?

Carry her along the trail back to his vehicle? (not sure how close she was to the entrance when the attempt took place). Drag her off the trail and sexually assault her?

BTW from the pics they show there are a lot of houses that basically back up to that open space and although there are some trees, it is not exactly wooded or remote in any sense of the word. I am still puzzled as to what his plan was if he had successfully knocked her out. It is just odd.

Or maybe his house backs up and he was planning on carrying her there? But he sounds very slight.

Just brainstorming like you.

 

[Foxfire]

I went looking for unsolved cases in Colarado and found this link an interesting read. Plus an answer.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700064999/Unsolved-child-murders-are-a-daily-incident.html?pg=all

Cases in West

Number of children murdered from 1980-2008 and percentage of unsolved cases.


Colorado — 696, 11.4%

Idaho — 139, 7.2%

Nevada — 394, 20.6%

Utah — 287, 9.4%

Wyoming — 79, 5.1%

Soulmagent, thank you for posting this article. These numbers of children murdered from 1980-2008 and percentage of unsolved cases give new meaning to the standard response by PIOs, "I am sorry, I can't release that info due to the integrity of the investigation, imo"..

Their most valuable investigative resource; the American public is being squandered due to this antiquated strategy of silence.. In the fire service, we had an old saying, ' the horses have been long gone, but the horse manure lingers'..
You cannot connect the dots if you don't collect the dots...


(snipped-BBM)

Slightly more than one unsolved homicide of a child occurred each day during this period, according to Scripps Howard News Service's first-of-its-kind analysis of crime files provided by the FBI and local police departments.

"Too many are going unsolved," said LaWanda Hawkins of San Pedro, Calif. She founded the advocacy group Justice for Murdered Children following the 1995 killing of her son Reginald.

"We've found that when much time goes by without the case being solved, the killers often go on and kill again," she said. "We have to realize the mistakes that we've made — all of us, police, parents, everybody. We have to stop the silence that surrounds this problem."

Child murders are more likely to be solved than adult homicides. About 31 percent of cases involving victims 18 or older were reported as unsolved. But crime experts see little cause for celebration.

"The real question is: Why aren't the solution rates even higher than this?" asked Charles Wellford, a criminologist at the University of Maryland and an expert in homicide clearance

But crime experts warn that statistics about child homicides and how often such cases are solved are imperfect. Participation in the FBI's Supplementary Homicide Report program is entirely voluntary. Many police departments decline to report how many cases they've solved or how many cases involved juvenile victims.

 

[CHERIE.T]

I've seen that after a lull of several months of no new information, but usually in the beginning of a case, most of what I've experienced is that there is an effort to seek factual information and curtail wild speculation. Unfortunately, in a lot of these cases we are here for the long haul. Its usually best to keep the facts organized.

I agree. Keep the facts organized and the speculation as just that....

 

[CHERIE.T]

So are people speculating the perp is one of the garbage collectors?

 

[Footwarrior]

I haven't seen this addressed and I am just trying to get an accurate timeline. My understanding is that the body was found by waste management crew last Friday at 2 pm, right? I haven't read the scanner thread but I think a few pages back someone stated that the road was blocked at 2:50.
My question is why was the video from helicopter and other pictures I see if them removing the torso ( large intact portion of body) appear to be shot at night?
I mean it looks really dark, why would they leave it for so many hours? Is that normal?
Seems to me that initial processing would take an hour or so, and then moved to ME for more thorough collection/ processing.
I could be wrong because my knowledge is from tv.

Initial processing of a homicide case often does take hours before the victim is removed. On a case like this, you want your top investigators on site. Everything will be done slowly and carefully. The evidence is likely to be subtile and may be your best chance of catching a dangerous predator.

The scanner thread indicates a road, most likely Leyden Road was closed at 2:50 pm. From the initial call by the workers, it would have taken some time to get an officer on scene and then send others to close the road once that first officer had confirmed what the workers had found. I don't see how that would take more than 50 minutes, so the workers probably found her sometime after 2 pm.

The perimeter was secured around 3 pm, the body was removed at 9:30 pm. Six and a half hours before removing the body doesn't seem unreasonable.

 

[thess]

So, what is the link clearing him? tia

http://tinyurl.com/9g2q87h

Due to the proximity of Centennial to the Denver area and the condition his mother's body was found in, there has been speculation that Liggett may have been involved in the abduction and murder of 10-year-old Jessica Ridgeway. However, Arapahoe County Sheriff Office Grayson Robinson said there is no connection between Liggett and the Jessica Ridgeway investigation.

BBM.

 

[Footwarrior]

I have a question about fog on that Friday night downslope. Visibility was extremely limited here in the foothills on Friday night and into Saturday morning (when we headed south for the weekend, so not sure how it was here the rest of day Saturday). Was there a lot of fog downhill too, or just kinda drizzly but still kinda decent visibility?

Just drizzly if I remember correctly.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I have a question about fog on that Friday night downslope. Visibility was extremely limited here in the foothills on Friday night and into Saturday morning (when we headed south for the weekend, so not sure how it was here the rest of day Saturday). Was there a lot of fog downhill too, or just kinda drizzly but still kinda decent visibility?

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KBJC/2012/10/19/MonthlyHistory.html#calendar

http://www.wunderground.com/history...tml?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA ~ Here's the link to Wednesday, October 10.

The above is a great site for weather history I learned about here on WS.

Just type 'weather wunderground, with city and state'. I put in Westminster and see that Broomfield is the city from which the statistics are given.

In this case above, I clicked on the full month calendar. Scroll to see everything on the page.

Here's the link to the current day/ main page ~ http://www.wunderground.com/weather-forecast/US/CO/Westminster.html

 

[GrainneDhu]

In the video linked, the reporter also says that there were evidence markers mostly concentrated near the culvert, but also along the side of the hill towards the ruins of the building there. What the heck does that mean? Do we take that to mean the perp hid out in the ruins and did something there, then brought down the remains, left them and then drove off or something? Or did he bring the remains from his car, UP to the cabin ruins... and continue onto somewhere from there.

Why do we assume he was in a car? Could he have been on horseback? Is horseback riding common there? If it is, a guy on a horse, with a backpack or camera pack (?) might not be someone who would stand out in the area.... Just brainstorming.

At an outdoor crime scene, as I understand it, LE flags and picks up anything that is out of place. Whether the officer on the spot thinks it might be related to the crime or not, they are not supposed to make that call. They are just supposed to flag'n'bag everything that does not belong on the scene.

So at a place where it's clear that people have gone in the past, a lot of what LE will find will just be stuff that has nothing to do with the case. Litter, basically.

 

[Footwarrior]

Tell that to a toilet left running continually for a month. Would that equate to thousands of gallons of water? That happened to us and the bill increased by over one hundred dollars. This was years ago in North Carolina but it was shocking to see the effect a running toilet can have on a water bill.

If it's possible for the utility company to compare usage rates for that brief time frame, Columbus Day weekend, it may be worth a shot.

A low water use toilet uses one gallon per flush and can refill itself in less than a minute. At that rate, it will use 60 gallons a minute and well over 1,000 gallons a day. Even if a toilet with a slower leak can easily use thousands of gallons in a month.

 

[tlcya]

Quite frankly, there is a reason LE has been purposefully vague as to exactly what was done to poor Jessie's body and exactly what remains have been found and if there are portions missing therefrom.

I suspect that part of their reasoning is to weed out phony tips and leads - right now, they want themselves and the killer to be the only ones who know the specifics. So to continue to insist any one of us KNOWS what state her poor little body was left in is sort of asking for an unwanted spotlight of LE attention and thwarts their goals of using specifics about the remains as a means to weed out crackpot tipsters.

MOO IMO and all that jazz

 

[nursebeeme]

Reminder about those youtube videos and stills: we are not allowing linkage to those videos that are not msm and this INCLUDES discussing them.

 

[GrainneDhu]

New updated post on Westminster PD facebook page
http://www.facebook.com/westminsterpolice?ref=stream

Police ask for media assistantance....

I'm glad the Westminster PD is acting to protect those victims. They've got to be feeling pretty darn tense right now and hoping that their names are not leaked to the media.

 

[spamelope]

If you look closely at the pickup on the right (South) side of the road, you can see orange marker there, as well. Since I think that's the area that had the blue tarp covering it as well, I think that's where the perp parked. I believe they were able to clear the crime scene rather quickly due to the sheer numbers involved in this investigation.
I don't mind sharing that I'm really, really bothered by the flag in the tree. I don't think the evidence markers show every bit of debris there, or we'd be seeing a sea of orange. I think they found something there, and wondered about that since seeing the first pics of the investigators seemingly IN the tree.

 

[Ransom]

I haven't seen this addressed and I am just trying to get an accurate timeline. My understanding is that the body was found by waste management crew last Friday at 2 pm, right? I haven't read the scanner thread but I think a few pages back someone stated that the road was blocked at 2:50.
My question is why was the video from helicopter and other pictures I see if them removing the torso ( large intact portion of body) appear to be shot at night?
I mean it looks really dark, why would they leave it for so many hours? Is that normal?
Seems to me that initial processing would take an hour or so, and then moved to ME for more thorough collection/ processing.
I could be wrong because my knowledge is from tv.

Body found - Oct. 10th - Wednesday
Body ID - Oct. 12th - Friday

 

[Woe.be.gone]

A low water use toilet uses one gallon per flush and can refill itself in less than a minute. At that rate, it will use 60 gallons a minute and well over 1,000 gallons a day. Even if a toilet with a slower leak can easily use thousands of gallons in a month.

It's unbelievable but I know it's true as it happened to us. I still don't get it though because the bowl wasn't being flushed and water never spilled over - anyway, no need to explain. But let's say you had the tub water running for an hour with the water just going down the drain - that has to be a large enough increase in water usage to register, no?

 

[GrainneDhu]

Do you think the LE is looking at the cell towers in the area of her house, backpack and where she was found? Looking to see if any calls or phones connected to the towers in those three areas?

Yes. I can't cite the article but they've said they are looking for phone numbers that pop up on all three sites.

 

[izzyblizzy]

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KBJC/2012/10/19/MonthlyHistory.html#calendar

http://www.wunderground.com/history...tml?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA ~ Here's the link to the date Friday, October 12.

The above is a great site for weather history I learned about here on WS.

Just type 'weather wunderground, with city and state'. I put in Westminster and see that Broomfield is the city from which the statistics are given.

In this case above, I clicked on the full month calendar. Scroll to see everything on the page.

Here's the link to the current day/ main page ~ http://www.wunderground.com/weather-forecast/US/CO/Westminster.html

Thanks, I always use those sites for future weather, but didn't notice the historical data. Although, I tried to put in several areas closer to me and when I check historical, it keeps kicking me to Broomfield which says 10 miles visibility which I know wasn't true in my location on those dates.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Body found - Oct. 10th - Wednesday
Body ID - Oct. 12th - Friday

Yes! I even thought about this but my mind played a trick on me and instead of checking went with the date given.

This is one fact we don't need to confuse - we have so few facts! Good job.