CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #10

[rangerover12]

So I'm almost 100% in the obvious solution is the answer camp, but there is one little thing that is niggling at the back of my mind.

I (used to be) a recreational pilot. Are there any pilots reading on here, are you having the same niggly feeling? I recall through my flying club being excited about a new plane we acquired that I was not rated to fly, but I really wanted to go up in. I would have not thought twice if one of the other pilots called me up and said hey, I'm going up....wanna come? I also recall from my club many pilots doing just that, especially on a weekend or holiday, if there wasn't anything to do, the weather was great, people just hung out.... I'm certain that LE has checked and double checked to be certain that she was not a last minute passenger or co-pilot. All personal flight log books of co-workers, friends any flight club she belongs to?

Just thinking out loud.....

I could see that

I could see a guy saying "KB, I have a new plane and a few days. How about I fly you to see your grandmother?"

 

[cody22]

What events does Pf participate in: calf roping, team roping or steer wrestling?

Team Roping is all that I am aware of.

 

[Mercedes]

This was interesting. I had not read of a visit to a waste disposal facility.

PF spotted at waste management facility, police return to his property

You are right, this IS interesting!

 

[alucardsdream]

I have skimmed through all of the threads but can't find any posts mentioning if dogs have been involved in the search of PF's (or is it his mother's?) property. Has anyone heard or read of dogs being used at all in the investigation? Why wouldn't search dogs or cadaver dogs be used? Had/has too much time passed?

Aside from my search dog question/comment few other bits of my randomness below if anyone has time/interest to reply:

• Are there active searches for KB in the areas (such as where her phone last pinged)?
• LE took PF's truck under the search warrant, didn't they? (This would be one reason why he had to find "friends" to help him dispose of trash recently)
• Wouldn't LE need some compelling reason to have the truck included in the search warrant?
• To me, it sounds as if KB left/departed her home with every intention of returning within a few hours (not an extended trip or visit).
• A holiday -- particularly Thanksgiving Day in the US -- is a "good" day to commit a crime. Almost everyone does something on this day (in some way shape or form), but it is the most heavily travelled holiday and most everyone is busy inside preparing, visiting, etc. (not necessarily noticing what the neighbors are up to/coming going etc). (Our family business experienced an attempted cyber-theft late on the Wednesday before the holiday; thieves assume people are closed, traveling, busy, etc)
• Is PF an only child? Is it only he and his mother? Any family of his around, speaking out?

Apologies if I missed the info above in earlier posts/discussions (feel free to just tell me to go look again ha!)... trying to catch up ....

They did use dogs when they searched PF's property...you could see them on some of the footage shot from a helicopter (although I can't remember which station I saw it on) and they mention it here: FBI investigators search the home of the fiance of missing Colorado mom Kelsey Berreth | Daily Mail Online

 

[Kapua]

I could see that

I could see a guy saying "KB, I have a new plane and a few days. How about I fly you to see your grandmother?"

I could absolutely see that if 1) KB packed her suitcase and covered the rolls, 2) KB brought her adorable toddler for grandmother to see, 3) she turned up at her grandmother's with purse, suitcase, and toddler in tow. And if there weren't 2 odd texts, and not one to her mother, and if PF was acting the least bit concerned for the mother of their child.

 

[margarita25]

Delete

 

[mountainman]

Yes- simply drive it into a body of water

Not as simple in the mountain West... Bodies of water are slightly more scarce, and those that are reachable by road are usually very popular destinations and not the ideal place to hide a vehicle. Plus, there's a lot of changing in our water levels since most are fed by snowpack and fluctuate with the seasons. Again, that makes it hard to conceal things. Just some food for thought.

 

[Kapua]

Riddle me this

What 3 things need to be cleared up to solve this case?

Of course
What one thing would make an otherwise civil man mad enough to kill his daughters mother? - without remorse?
And
How did the ping get to Idaho?
And
why did they dig up that earth?

The answer to the first is in the DNA, what KB bought at the store, what made KB look fatigued and what was found in her bathroom trash.

The answer to the second, can be discovered if we know KBs cell phone make and if PF had a cell phone booster in his truck.

The 3rd would be answered if PF used to have a brush hog.

BTW, welcome to Websleuths!

 

[ReadySet]

I agree. It’s just like in Kyron Horman’s case and we’re still waiting 8-1/2 years later for him to be found and justice to be served.

Yes osu. Kyron brought me to true crime cases, although unfortunately I started out reading at a bad place on the net instead of WS. And I've thought of that case....there was a "Baby K' in that case too. I do believe there will be justice for Kyron someday.

 

[rangerover12]

I could absolutely see that if 1) KB packed her suitcase and covered the rolls, 2) KB brought her adorable toddler for grandmother to see, 3) she turned up at her grandmothers with purse, suitcase, and toddler in tow. And if there weren't 2 odd texts, and not one to her mother, and if PF was acting the least bit concerned for the mother of their child.

Was only saying, I could see somebody offering to do that. The facts no not eliminate the possibility of an offer.

An offer that she may have struggled with accepting.

 

[GHgal]

Missing Colorado mom's fiancé was spotted at a waste facility AFTER police searched his house | Daily Mail Online

Suspicious????

 

[moonlessnight]

they also believe they have every right to do what they did. they believe they were wronged and the victim deserves what they got. entitlement.

bbm
They're always confident that they'll never find the body. Some of us remember very recently Chris Watts' little talk on the porch of his home very early in the case. Mr. Smooth, smiling, a laugh or two. And a couple of days later, the poor, poor man <choke> was all to pieces and telling a new story, and then another story. He's in the jailhouse now. For life.
Watts thread:
GUILTY - CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #67
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It seems that so many of the husbands, fiancés, boyfriends (yes, it's usually the men who have this attitude, IMO) are so cocky, and it's often due to their own Narcissism or sociopathology, etc. They think LE is dumb and will never figure it out...

We'll just have to be patient and hope that we see her alive and well.

 

[rangerover12]

What are reasons that LE will not release what KB bought at the store?

What is one thing she could have bought there that could have DIRECTLY led PF to harm her?

In your opinion?

 

[Jennifer17]

What are reasons that LE will not release what KB bought at the store?

What is one thing she could have bought there that could have directly led PF to harm her?

In your opinion?

Because what she bought has nothing to do with anything?

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

I could absolutely see that if 1) KB packed her suitcase and covered the rolls, 2) KB brought her adorable toddler for grandmother to see, 3) she turned up at her grandmother's with purse, suitcase, and toddler in tow. And if there weren't 2 odd texts, and not one to her mother, and if PF was acting the least bit concerned for the mother of their child.

In my thinking out loud, I wasn't actually thinking about the visit to Grandma's in Soap Lake. I was just thinking....IF PF had picked up daughter for whatever reason (what is they really HAD broken up?) and she had nothing better to do, she might go for a recreational flight with a friend (don't know what the weather was like that day) on the spur of the moment, fully intending to return later that afternoon. Something happens.....Again, just thinking out loud.

The cell phone thing....a flight friend or coworker would know to send text to PF and work?

 

[rangerover12]

How could PF sent a single cell ping to Idaho?

While never leaving Colorado?

A SINGLE ping?

Engineers, please rally to this

There is a way

 

[gitana1]

It’s true that LE can obtain warrants for mouth swab and phone, so turning those over immediately without a warrant (assuming that’s true) was perhaps a recognition of that inevitability based on his lawyer’s advice, or perhaps he knew there was no relevant evidence in either and he could hope that being cooperative would turn LE’s attention elsewhere. Non-testimonial evidence can be compelled for the most part, while testimony cannot. Perhaps he’s innocent and just weird or paranoid but I doubt it.

Precisely.

 

[rangerover12]

Because what she bought has nothing to do with anything?

Then, releasing it to the media should be easy.

 

[moonlessnight]

It appears that PF is done with the whole thing. He took care of things 3 weeks ago and fully expects it to be over now. Nothing to worry about or deal with for him.

PF seems to be in control

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[gitana1]

How could PF sent a single cell ping to Idaho?

While never leaving Colorado?

A SINGLE ping?

Engineers, please rally to this

There is a way

Do we know he never left? Or are you simply wondering about the possibility?