CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #12 *ARREST*

[tmar]

Luminol lights up in the dark.

Thanks.
LE wouldn't want me on their team.

 

[alucardsdream]

Interesting that they called in the fire department to use their ladders.

Blood splatter on the ceiling maybe?

Federal, state, and local investigators are back at the Woodland Park Colorado home of missing mom and pilot #KelseyBerreth tonight, taking out evidence bags, calling in the fire department to borrow their ladders. We’ll have the latest on @gma.

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Or someone threw the murder weapon on top of a house like Rachel Wade did. I highly doubt it, though. I have no idea what's going on, but I really hope they got the big break they needed to find KB.

 

[zecats]

Dogs were at the ranch, but were there cadaver dogs in Kelsey's duplex?

I don’t recall reading any statement about using dogs at Kelsey’s place. Doesn’t mean it’s not in a link somewhere on these many threads and I didn’t see it.

 

[distracted]

They're banging on the walls, too! Oh my goodness. I did not expect this.

 

[Bill Carson]

This is not legal advice, but merely a general answer to your questions.
A search warrant can only be served once. The police don’t get a second try without applying for a new warrant. To do so, they would have to provide the issuing judge with an affidavit stating why they want a second warrant. They must also show the judge probable cause that the contraband/ evidence they’re seeking is there. And, they must put in the affidavit the reliability of their source of knowledge, especially since the first search was unsuccessful.
For a second warrant, the affidavit generally must explain what they found in the 1st search that necessitates the 2nd search, and what specific evidence they are looking for in the 2nd search.

In regards to obtaining a search warrant for missing persons home:
If an adult meets criteria to be classified as a “missing person,” police may seek a search warrant for phone/home/etc. The affidavit will explain why the adult is a missing person. According to federal guidelines, an adult is a missing person and a search warrant may be ordered if LE has proof to support one of the following:

• The person who cannot be found has dementia or another mental disability.
• The person could be in physical danger. For example, he or she has been separated from needed medications.
• Circumstances suggest the person's departure was not voluntary.
• The person last was seen prior to a catastrophe, such as a building collapse.

Fascinating, thank you!

Last Friday, LE announced that their approach to the case had changed course, in that they had concluded that KB's departure was not voluntary. (They did not say what prompted them to make that determination.) This change was most publicly noted in the the search of PF's property.

It also kind of brings me back to my original thought, which is that the original search of KB's home (which I don't know anything about) must have come during the missing person phase of the case, when they had not concluded that her departure was involuntary. And am thinking that the earlier search was not very extensive or intrusive.

(When I say 'intrusive,' I mean doing things like tearing out parts of baseboards or walls or plumbing, which it appears they might be doing tonight for the first time.)

Thanks again.

 

[EmilyVan]

Dogs hit on Casey Anthony trunk weeks later. IIRC it was close to a month after Caylee went missing.

even her mom could smell it. I'm talking about an HOURS OLD deceased body. Is that something a cadaver dog could pick up??

 

[distracted]

In the McStay murders, the killer returned to the house to paint over blood splatter evidence.

Something like that could have occurred in the days following Thanksgiving.

Or simply a cleanup on his part.

His truck was seen at her house all the time, so no one would have paid much attention to it.

It was also a holiday weekend, and everyone is either out of town or has their heads in the clouds.

And during the holidays, people have guests so it wouldn't make anyone think twice about it the entire weekend.

 

[bestill]

Let's think of the timeline with the new info of them searching her house right now. He had two days to take care of the evidence and drive to Idaho for the texts at 5:30 or did he leave her there and come back to take care of her? I don't see him doing that. Risky.

 

[Jessthinkin]

even her mom could smell it. I'm talking about an HOURS OLD deceased body. Is that something a cadaver dog could pick up??

yes... I did a google search of this topic for the Watts case, and found that even ten minutes of "exposure" time of a very recently deceased person could be detected upwards of 90% of the time

 

[BRRI]

Can anyone remember where it said that they searched with dogs at KB’s house in the beginning? I thought it was on the official Facebook page...

 

[NanZDrew]

But I don't think he will get to make the final decision, IF he is charged and convicted of her murder. The courts do not usually want a young child to be raised in the family home of the parent who murdered the other parent. That is too 'crazy making' for the child to deal with as they grow up.

Usually we see the child being permanently placed with the family of the victim. JMO

What you said makes perfect sense, and is what I would think is logical; however, I would refer you back to Gitana's post at the beginning of the thread. The surviving parent still has rights to assign their parental rights to another person. Unless, Grandma knew about this, she will have the upper hand. KB's family will have to file a lawsuit against the father and GrandmaF to get custody. That can take a year or two...maybe more because PF's family will drag it out. By then the family will be 4 or 5 and CB will be a stranger to the child. Living out of state and a long distance will make visitation difficult. CB will be facing an uphill battle and the legal fight will cost over $30,000 most likely. PF would even have the right to have visits with his child in prison.

 

[cluciano63]

Hate to think this...but could her body still be there in the house...

 

[susiQ]

I lean toward the theory that they have ruled him out and are trying to determine the identity of the person she actually left with. She might be alive still.

Are you saying she's being held captive? OR she chose to abandon her child?

 

[BloodHoundSleuther]

Or someone threw the murder weapon on top of a house like Rachel Wade did. I highly doubt it, though. I have no idea what's going on, but I really hope they got the big break they needed to find KB.

IDK, but now I'm thinking if LE needs ladders from the fire department, then wouldn't that also possibly mean that PF needed access to a ladder equally to get the evidence where it is, up high? Unless he threw it! No neighbor would have noticed this type of activity on Thanksgiving?

 

[mistivon]

I followed that case as it's also very local and saw the dogs alert on local news while he was giving interviews. Do we know if any dogs alerted on KB's house? I still am curious about cadaver dogs, specifically and how long a body needs to be deceased.
MOO

Does anyone remember the dogs in Maris case? They followed her trail and could even tell where she had crouched and tried to hide. When dogs are on, man, they are spot on.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

even her mom could smell it. I'm talking about an HOURS OLD deceased body. Is that something a cadaver dog could pick up??

They can pick up the smell of cadaverine on objects after only 10 minutes of death.

 

[EmilyVan]

They can pick up the smell of cadaverine on objects after only 15 minutes of death.

do you have a link for this? I've been looking with ZERO luck. Thank you!!

 

[whoizzit]

Pinhole cameras found in the ceiling? Or if the ceiling is a one of those hung ceilings, videos, pics etc are often hidden up there.

But did the installer of potential pins need a ladder truck to install? Cd they not just cut the ceiling from below with a tall stepladder? I dunno, just seems incongruous.

 

[MassGuy]

Hate to think this...but could her body still be there in the house...

I highly, highly, doubt that.

Decomposition leaves an unmistakable odor, one that would have been noticed long before now.

They wouldn’t even need dogs.

I now think her body was there, as she was killed there.

She ain’t there now though.

 

[susiQ]

There have been cases where the dogs have gone right by the victims and never even so much as glanced in the direction of their body. Blaze Bernstein comes to mind- and they had several dogs look for him in the park, along with many volunteers and police, etc. All walked right by. A video from behind the school showed a flashlight on a cell phone shining on an area for a few minutes, with the perp walking back and forth, and the police went there and found him. So, dogs are NOT full proof, just a tool to help in investigations.

Aren't cadaver dogs trained to find dead people and then there's search and rescue dogs?