CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #27 *ARREST*

[justaparent]

What on Earth did PF tell this woman as means to justify this ask??? As means to justify that KB deserved this???

Or what did she say to him?

I have always believed that someone else was the driving factor in this murder. Talk of it could have built over time.

 

[jaspermac]

I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised that that’s exactly what she’s saying. But whether it rings true or not depends on other factors. Like NKs claims that were disproven once we saw the texts between her and CW.

The fact that she lived so far away and drove home that Saturday or Sunday will be hard for her. She could’ve gone straight to police when she was away from him. I don’t think she willingly did. Something led them to her.

Thanks for your insights , they make sense.

 

[InvSmith]

True. That’s a hell of an ask.

He must have believed that she would be open to the idea.

Exactly, these are the deep questions one must ask. I can only imagine what most of us would do if someone asked us to literally murder someone three times. My immediate thought, I could not possibly type here but my second one would be excuse me, I have to go an get a recorder.

 

[allboys]

People can do crazy things in the name of love, but I agree, it’s hard to fathom that this seemingly normal nurse and mother, decided to aid in a murder of another mother.

Maybe she justified it with the belief that the baby would be better off without Kelsey, but that would require some tremendous lies on the part of PF.

I definitely wouldn’t put that past him though, as we’re talking about a killer here.

And wouldn’t an educated “nurse” at least need some kind of verifiable proof to buy into some of these lies...which would have had to be extreme in nature? PF must be one damn good liar. Or her BS meter is broken.

When I get caught up in a case, I tend to get a bit desensitized to many aspects of the crime. Then sometimes (like right now) I get a wave of disbelief, and overwhelming sadness that something like this could, and did occur.

 

[Marli61]

Agree. I do think he loves the baby, as much as his messed up head allows. If you believe reports by friends in MSM, he was with the baby daily, brought her along with him to work, so I’m sure he was close to her.

I almost wonder if he was the one who was primary caretaker of the baby, and then one day KB tells him she’s going to move, her mom would now watch the baby, and she would seek primary custody. That would be a hard blow for any parent who is primary caretaker. Mix in a girlfriend who nags about KB, prior discussions of killing KB suddenly are ringing in his head as the anger grows.

This is my belief as well.

 

[GordianKnot]

I think this was more about their future, and Kelsey being out of the way.

I doubt it involved money, but it’s always possible.

Re: motives, if you mean in KK's Stampede Queen-Sized brain, then I completely agree.

Their glorious future together figured precisely 0% in PF's calculations, however, IMO.

PF's motivation for getting rid of KB will not at all be r/t any relationship with anyone else on the planet. IMO, he's an automaton.

I do think PF's own financial self-interests play a significant role in his motive.

Recognizing that by disagreeing with you on any given point I stand a 98.5% chance of being proven wrong, I'm going to creep out on that precarious limb just this once.

All JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

And wouldn’t an educated “nurse” at least need some kind of verifiable proof to buy into some of these lies...which would have had to be extreme in nature? PF must be one damn good liar. Or her BS meter is broken.

When I get caught up in a case, I tend to get a bit desensitized to many aspects of the crime. Then sometimes (like right now) I get a wave of disbelief, and overwhelming sadness that something like this could, and did occur.

Being educated doesn’t necessarily mean you have common sense.

Can’t teach that.

She likely bought whatever he was feeding her.

 

[The Night Watchman]

Who solicited who, it has been proposed both ways.

How to you solicit someone to assist in murder? I don't know, unless you live in a rough crowd. The idea being floated in a non-serious way would be an ice breaker, to gauge reaction. Alcohol would help here.

P1) "I just can't stand her."

P2) "What if she just disappeared one day?"

P1) "Haha, wouldn't that be awesome. Bartender, another round"

P2) "No really, did you hear about the case of the missing wife in Wyoming. No body, no crime, haha!"

The solicitation charges are not inconsistent if this conversation took life, along with followup steps towards action. Maybe what started in jest, with a hint of truth, started to get some traction.

It wouldn't surprise me if P2 was the Idaho nurse. It might be easy to float a wicked idea that you are presenting to someone else, since its not your problem.

Yet.

 

[InvSmith]

I've only been able to peek in here a time or two the last several days. So I've missed lots again I'm sure. Do we know that IN is the one that was solicited?

Reports out today in MSM seem to support this. Early on, LE seems to hint at this as well.

 

[enelram]

Think about how little we really know about the players here.
Maybe one of the actors has an "Uncle Joe" who spent time in
prison for robbing a gas station but all the family stood behind
him and thought he was innocent.
And maybe one has a brother who was wrongly accused of another
heinous crime but his family gathered the wagons and stood behind him.
Some families stick together and deny other's trangressions.
We hear about a nurse or teacher or pastor and think they
could never be involved in a crime such as murder. Yet we
read in the news regularly- IT HAPPENS.

 

[Jupiter05]

If I saw PF somewhere, and not knowing what we know now, I would find him attractive. He isn’t ugly by a long shot. JMO.

Ugly on the inside.

 

[UnicornDragon]

I wouldn’t run from him. Actually, in my experience, a cowboy can be quite charming. Most treat women with respect. Idk how he treated KB or KK.
As far as comments & video regarding animals, I am speculating every horse owner has had a farrier thump his horse to square him up. Tapping or punching a horse is not like punching a baby or a kitten, horses are huge & can kill a person, easily. Jmo, of course.
Iirc, one person claiming PF rasped her horse said “it was one of the last times he worked for her”, if he was so violent, why was it one of the last times & not the last. Did anyone turn him in to LE for abusing animals?
My hairdresser is voted best every year in my town, bet you could find gals going to a competitor to bad mouth her. Jmo
Any person performing services is apt to have complaints. IMO.

Add in, if he's as bad towards animals as the one person claims, he's not going to be in rodeo very long. They may be harsher on animals than on a pet dog, but the tolerance for stupid abuse isn't there at all. Driving like a fool and flipping your trailer with your horse in it would be a big, big issue.

I've met numerous women who get hurt when their precious pony gets thumped to square up and knock it off for a farrier. If your horses doesn't stand nicely on their own, they're going to get a bump/thump/tap to stand square and behave at least a few times. It's not a grievous action.

He had a standing contract to go work a herd of donkeys every 6 months. He's an old school farmer/rancher/farrier type. They're not all evil or bad people, most are pretty decent folks actually.

Not saying PF is at all good, but the one person bad mouthing him the most to MSM isn't perhaps the most reliable source either.

 

[PrairieWind]

Agree. I do think he loves the baby, as much as his messed up head allows. If you believe reports by friends in MSM, he was with the baby daily, brought her along with him to work, so I’m sure he was close to her.

I almost wonder if he was the one who was primary caretaker of the baby, and then one day KB tells him she’s going to move, her mom would now watch the baby, and she would seek primary custody. That would be a hard blow for any parent who is primary caretaker. Mix in a girlfriend who nags about KB, prior discussions of killing KB suddenly are ringing in his head as the anger grows.

The only thing that I find wrong with this theory is that there appears to be no evidence that KB was planning to move. You would think she would have discussed it with her mother or other family or employer, etc. Maybe she did and they have just kept it quiet for now.

 

[Nudgee]

He could have also asked her because she had some sort of vested interest in Kelsey being killed.

He also could have greased the wheels, and made up lies about Kelsey.

Agree with “greased the wheels”.... seems the wheels were so greased this case is like a hamster on a wheel.... at some point, the hamster is going to stop! I’m holding out for that!

 

[cluciano63]

I will be surprised if this turns out to be PF soliciting KK and KK accepting and performing the deed.

Women don’t often murder other women.
Add in the fact that this would be a young mom killing another young mom - I would think that would happen even more rarely.

It just doesn’t add up, IMHO. The facts in this case are going to lead down a different path. What that path is, I don’t know.

Carla Hughes is serving LWOP for murdering the fiancé of the man she wanted...the man was looked at initially as the killer. Just an example.

 

[GordianKnot]

I buy it, as I thought it was possible all along.

I couldn’t believe that she unknowingly transported, texted, and dumped Kelsey’s phone, and was ignorant of what she was helping with.

She had to have known, and the fact that she was apparently solicited, makes this all fit.

She knew.

ITA. It all fits perfectly. So....

Given that it's looking more and more like KK had foreknowledge of PF's plan, the thought of immunity for testimony is becoming less and less palatable, IMO.

Maybe reduced charges and sentencing for full cooperation with the DA, but surely immunity has to be off the table if KK knew and at all assisted in the the planning of KB's murder. Right? Or is that wishful thinking?

 

[jaspermac]

The only thing that I find wrong with this theory is that there appears to be no evidence that KB was planning to move. You would think she would have discussed it with her mother or other family or employer, etc. Maybe she did and they have just kept it quiet for now.

I agree and she just bought the house in May. If he started looking for someone to kill her as early as september, that makes me think he was thinking about it prior to then, so I find it hard to believe that earlier than Sept she was talking about moving, if she just bought in May. Could be wrong though.

 

[skycountry]

I wouldn’t run from him. Actually, in my experience, a cowboy can be quite charming. Most treat women with respect. Idk how he treated KB or KK.
As far as comments & video regarding animals, I am speculating every horse owner has had a farrier thump his horse to square him up. Tapping or punching a horse is not like punching a baby or a kitten, horses are huge & can kill a person, easily. Jmo, of course.
Iirc, one person claiming PF rasped her horse said “it was one of the last times he worked for her”, if he was so violent, why was it one of the last times & not the last. Did anyone turn him in to LE for abusing animals?
My hairdresser is voted best every year in my town, bet you could find gals going to a competitor to bad mouth her. Jmo
Any person performing services is apt to have complaints. IMO.

I think it is part of the "cowboy" mystique, the yes ma'am, no ma'am, tipping the hat at greeting women, etc. As to him abusing an animal, I think making a horse trailer flip over is just dangerous, not only to the horse, but also to those trying to get it out afterwards.

 

[cluciano63]

And how many perfect crimes have you known? The LE ALWAYS figures it out!

Well...a lot of murders go unsolved...near half, I believe.

 

[UnicornDragon]

Carla Hughes is serving LWOP for murdering the fiancé of the man she wanted...the man was looked at initially as the killer. Just an exampl.

Was she the teacher?

There's also the case of the astronaut, blanking on names.