CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #28 *ARREST*

[Trudie]

Peppermint Patty, thanks for the like. PF has been roping since at least high school, but his competition is limited to the small mountain rodeos. His mother grew up on a small ranch somewhere between Divide and Denver, but went to high school in Colorado Springs and studied nursing at Memorial Hospital where she has spent most, if not all, of her career. Her husband was from Kansas, but started building a place neat Florissant while serving in the Air Force. They raised their older kids less than two blocks away from her work, and he kept the house when they split. Cattle folk up there don't own land to run them on. They bid on high altitude BLM grazing permits and run a special strain of registered black angus. They graze at 7000 to 9500 feet where there are no fences, The cattlemen take turns acting as 24 hour drovers, like the original 1860's Texas vaquero's. They use cattle dogs extensively, which PF is one of the best at raising and training. His dogs go in the $2500 price range. The beef sale yard is at Divide, then I think it is quick butchered, flash-frozen and air freighted to Japan. The catttle are raised in groups and sold in groups. Individual owners have no say in when they go to market. If KB was truly waiting for PF's cattle market to come back, she was fooling herself. At the very least, her Mom was fooled.

Great post, Dave. Thanks for the info.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Peppermint Patty, thanks for the like. PF has been roping since at least high school, but his competition is limited to the small mountain rodeos. His mother grew up on a small ranch somewhere between Divide and Denver, but went to high school in Colorado Springs and studied nursing at Memorial Hospital where she has spent most, if not all, of her career. Her husband was from Kansas, but started building a place neat Florissant while serving in the Air Force. They raised their older kids less than two blocks away from her work, and he kept the house when they split. Cattle folk up there don't own land to run them on. They bid on high altitude BLM grazing permits and run a special strain of registered black angus. They graze at 7000 to 9500 feet where there are no fences, The cattlemen take turns acting as 24 hour drovers, like the original 1860's Texas vaquero's. They use cattle dogs extensively, which PF is one of the best at raising and training. His dogs go in the $2500 price range. The beef sale yard is at Divide, then I think it is quick butchered, flash-frozen and air freighted to Japan. The catttle are raised in groups and sold in groups. Individual owners have no say in when they go to market. If KB was truly waiting for PF's cattle market to come back, she was fooling herself. At the very least, her Mom was fooled.

Are there abandoned mines near PF's home?

 

[dkryder]

Just wanted to say, everyone assumes that it was all about baby K and that PF was a good father. I am starting to doubt it. What proof do we have that he was a good father and that the child would have been safe in his hands if he managed to somehow pull Kelsey's murder without being caught?

Zero. I don't have any proof that he would have hurt baby K, but I on the fence about PF's paternal skills as well as his love for the baby.

i agree with your thoughts. i would guess that PF's mother was mostly responsible for the care of the child when it was on the mothers property. IMO, PF would be busy working either on the property or somewhere else.

 

[justpeachy22]

I’m behind on reading but my thoughts :

I tend to think LE would still be looking for KK if it weren’t for the ID couple coming forward with their online call. We know the phone did send LE tracking right away in ID but I don’t guess they were going to trace that phone to KK for a long time without that phone call. The phone call helped to establish the full list of charges against PF.

I believe PF was used to getting his way in life and when things didn’t go the way he planned he got “irrational”. We know this from the quotes of him flipping the horse trailer when the horse show didn’t go the way he wanted, or his “inappropriate” behavior with horses. To get his way with the women in his life, I’m guessing he was domineering with them and that they fell “victim” to his agendas by their blind love for him. He wanted KB to move to Co, so she did, he wanted Kk to kill kB ( though not willing to “go all the way”, she allegedly became part of his plot). I believe kB is not alive because she wasn’t doing what he wanted her to do. IMO. others have theirs.

 

[Trudie]

I’m behind on reading but my thoughts :

I tend to think LE would still be looking for KK if it weren’t for the ID couple coming forward with their online call. We know the phone did send LE tracking right away in ID but I don’t guess they were going to trace that phone to KK for a long time without that phone call. The phone call helped to establish the full list of charges against PF.

I believe PF was used to getting his way in life and when things didn’t go the way he planned he got “irrational”. We know this from the quotes of him flipping the horse trailer when the horse show didn’t go the way he wanted, or his “inappropriate” behavior with horses. To get his way with the women in his life, I’m guessing he was domineering with them and that they fell “victim” to his agendas by their blind love for him. He wanted KB to move to Co, so she did, he wanted Kk to kill kB ( though not willing to “go all the way”, she allegedly became part of his plot). I believe kB is not alive because she wasn’t doing what he wanted her to do. IMO. others have theirs.

Sadly, the flipping of the trailer is not an isolated incident.
Idk his inappropriate behavior with horses, any rodeo, dude ranch, horse show, etc., people handle their horses “their” way. LE is usually presents, if abuse is flagrant, I hope someone alerts them.
Jmo

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

I’m behind on reading but my thoughts :

I tend to think LE would still be looking for KK if it weren’t for the ID couple coming forward with their online call. We know the phone did send LE tracking right away in ID but I don’t guess they were going to trace that phone to KK for a long time without that phone call. The phone call helped to establish the full list of charges against PF.

shortened for brevity

The FBI had Patrick's phone and they very likely had his phone records when they were in Idaho. There's no doubt KK blew up Patrick's phone multiple times a day with calls, texts, and photos. Living only 30 minutes away from Gooding, Idaho, KK was the number one suspect for why Kelsey's stolen phone pinged there. (Only the village idiot would take a murder victim's phone and ping it 30 minutes from her house. She could have made it ping in Wyoming or Utah as she drove home from CO.)

 

[MrsWatson]

I just keep going back to a post about 3000 threads ago, when someone pointed out how very personal a phone is. I just can't wrap my head around any scenario that puts the phone in KK's hands that is an innocent/unknowing situation and those texts.

 

[SandyQLS]

shortened for brevity

The FBI had Patrick's phone and they very likely had his phone records when they were in Idaho. There's no doubt KK blew up Patrick's phone multiple times a day with calls, texts, and photos. Living only 30 minutes away from Gooding, Idaho, KK was the number one suspect for why Kelsey's stolen phone pinged there. (Only the village idiot would take a murder victim's phone and ping it 30 minutes from her house. She could have made it ping in Wyoming or Utah as she drove home from CO.)

Previously it has been reported that PF never left CO between 11/22 and 12/2. If KK is not the village idiot, then who took the phone to ping in Gooding? I don't think I understand your post, and I really want to... Do you think someone else involved tried to setup KK?

 

[scaredtopost]

I keep trying to wrap my mind around the fact that PF asked IN, a female, to murder KB. What man solicits a woman to do his murderous deed? I could more easily understand him asking IN to find a hitMAN, but to ask her to do it is baffling. Maybe I'm just old fashioned or misinterpreting???
JMO ,MOO, etx

 

[InvSmith]

do we KNOW they have the phone?

No, the phone was reportedly disposed of via LE but they do have text messages and some form of solicitations. Disposing of the phone doesn't mean the data was not retrievable from the provider. The solicitations could be text, email, voicemail, verbal, and as we have seen witnessed by others second-hand/third-hand.

 

[InvSmith]

I’m behind on reading but my thoughts :

I tend to think LE would still be looking for KK if it weren’t for the ID couple coming forward with their online call. We know the phone did send LE tracking right away in ID but I don’t guess they were going to trace that phone to KK for a long time without that phone call. The phone call helped to establish the full list of charges against PF.

I believe PF was used to getting his way in life and when things didn’t go the way he planned he got “irrational”. We know this from the quotes of him flipping the horse trailer when the horse show didn’t go the way he wanted, or his “inappropriate” behavior with horses. To get his way with the women in his life, I’m guessing he was domineering with them and that they fell “victim” to his agendas by their blind love for him. He wanted KB to move to Co, so she did, he wanted Kk to kill kB ( though not willing to “go all the way”, she allegedly became part of his plot). I believe kB is not alive because she wasn’t doing what he wanted her to do. IMO. others have theirs.

I agree with all you said. When PF voluntarily (that is always funny to write as when would anyone really voluntarily turn their phone over to detectives) turned over his phone they would have found the linking area code/person quickly.

 

[oviedo]

CBS morning show carried the R’s interview
Idaho woman had relationship with fiancé of missing Colorado mom, couple claims

 

[InvSmith]

Previously it has been reported that PF never left CO between 11/22 and 12/2. If KK is not the village idiot, then who took the phone to ping in Gooding? I don't think I understand your post, and I really want to... Do you think someone else involved tried to setup KK?

It pinged 30 mins from KL's house reportedly on 11/25/2018. Then was reportedly disposed of my KL.

 

[Ultra Violet]

CBS morning show carried the R’s interview
Idaho woman had relationship with fiancé of missing Colorado mom, couple claims

Whoa! Thanks for sharing. New snippets of information with the CBS interview, I had to listen to this one twice.

What a complicated and tangled web. It shows how little we know right now. My heart breaks for the Berreth family. Let’s hope for some good news soon.

 

[Yellow Rose]

Makes you wonder if LE has "pieces of the phone" or "phone" but have not released that information. I sincerely hope they have evidence that she HAD it in her possession.

 

[InvSmith]

I found info on wrong sites, maybe msm will pick more stuff up, then we can discuss. Some horses I’ve seen him on, I would love to have in my barn.

What bothers me, was KB so naive she could not detect vibes (if they existed) & get him out of her life. So she bought a house, it could have been rented, she could work elsewhere, etc., so, did she have hopes they would one day be together? I don’t feel she ever expected he would move in with her. Cowboys don’t leave the ranch. (Unless they go to prison). That’s literally taking a fish out of water. He apparently lived & breathed the cowboy life. Jmo
If he mistreated her, why stick around since she seemed to be on her own, anyway.
I want to know....did KB/KK have any relationship. Did P ever introduce K to KK. If KK went to KBs would KB invite her in. If KK called KB to arrange a meeting (we all know how chicks sometimes do this), would KB agree?
I really wanna know what day KK arrived in CO.

Mostly, I wanna know that KB will be found.

Reports are conflicting but it looks like she had ended the relationship perhaps. Some relationships; however, women don't get to walk away from.

 

[gliving]

CBS morning show carried the R’s interview
Idaho woman had relationship with fiancé of missing Colorado mom, couple claims

Motive: PF felt that KB was going to harm their child; she was crazy.

 

[MyBelle]

I’m behind on reading but my thoughts :

I tend to think LE would still be looking for KK if it weren’t for the ID couple coming forward with their online call. We know the phone did send LE tracking right away in ID but I don’t guess they were going to trace that phone to KK for a long time without that phone call. The phone call helped to establish the full list of charges against PF.

I believe PF was used to getting his way in life and when things didn’t go the way he planned he got “irrational”. We know this from the quotes of him flipping the horse trailer when the horse show didn’t go the way he wanted, or his “inappropriate” behavior with horses. To get his way with the women in his life, I’m guessing he was domineering with them and that they fell “victim” to his agendas by their blind love for him. He wanted KB to move to Co, so she did, he wanted Kk to kill kB ( though not willing to “go all the way”, she allegedly became part of his plot). I believe kB is not alive because she wasn’t doing what he wanted her to do. IMO. others have theirs.

LE had PF's phone and would have easily tracked down KK's phone number from the PF's provider call detail records. LE could then easily obtain a search warrant for KK's phone records. As someone else has pointed out, the ping was not all that far from where she lived.
JMO

 

[The Night Watchman]

Peppermint Patty, thanks for the like. PF has been roping since at least high school, but his competition is limited to the small mountain rodeos. His mother grew up on a small ranch somewhere between Divide and Denver, but went to high school in Colorado Springs and studied nursing at Memorial Hospital where she has spent most, if not all, of her career. Her husband was from Kansas, but started building a place neat Florissant while serving in the Air Force. They raised their older kids less than two blocks away from her work, and he kept the house when they split. Cattle folk up there don't own land to run them on. They bid on high altitude BLM grazing permits and run a special strain of registered black angus. They graze at 7000 to 9500 feet where there are no fences, The cattlemen take turns acting as 24 hour drovers, like the original 1860's Texas vaquero's. They use cattle dogs extensively, which PF is one of the best at raising and training. His dogs go in the $2500 price range. The beef sale yard is at Divide, then I think it is quick butchered, flash-frozen and air freighted to Japan. The cattle are raised in groups and sold in groups. Individual owners have no say in when they go to market. If KB was truly waiting for PF's cattle market to come back, she was fooling herself. At the very least, her Mom was fooled.

Great information Dave! Could you comment on disposing of a body in the Florissant/WP area? I don't think most people know anything about mine shafts and how likely that would be a solution. Other thoughts if someone had a couple hours to place a body where they hoped it would never be found.

I checked out your profile. 4 posts (all solid!). 1st one in 2008. Don't leave us and come back in 2028!

 

[justaparent]

Whoa! Thanks for sharing. New snippets of information with the CBS interview, I had to listen to this one twice.

Maybe it’s just me but this couple has never met KK — info must be coming from the BFF or others. For some reason, to me, it sounds like damage control for KK. It will take a lot to change my mind.

No call to law-enforcement from KK when KB was threatened over a period of time. And again no call when her own child was threatened. The latter is difficult to swallow. I don’t buy the stories. Time will tell, I hope.